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Unanswered questions asked of Michael Salla are in red, as in the original email to him.
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1.)
From: gaiaguysnet
To: drsalla@exopolitics.org
Cc: Michael
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Michael Horn and Embellishing the TRuth
Dear Michael Salla,
Perhaps your remember me. We exchanged polite emails several months ago, and whereas I do not agree with all your conclusions, our views about Richard Boylan were so consonant that I never picked up on any of our many differences. (note: our views on Dr.Boylan had evidently subsequently diverged)
As you might know from Michael Horn's website links, my partner Vivienne and I run a huge private whistleblowers website and we are also both very active supporters of FIGU. We get many millions of hits a day.
It is in this capacity that I contact you again to most sincerely offer you some assistance in dealing with people who are smarter and less ego-fuelled than anyone I have ever been exposed to. I have an IQ of 163. I am an autodidact polymath.
In a word, you have jumped into a cunning TRAP.
These Plejaren are not only providing certain data, they are also - naturally! - testing us. They winnow out those who do not have what it takes to lead this sorry planet out of her misery, by very deliberately making superficially suspicious data. They also understand that experience (history) is the best lesson, and you and your colleagues have been lured into a position where the name Salla and/or Michael will not likely be used much anymore in the future, because, your unwillingness to simply inform yourself about Meier & friends (you will eventually have to learn the German language) is going to damn you as the modern day monkey wrench delaying the final turn of the Copernican revolution. Not a position I would welcome.
If you are interested in saving your name, it is still not too late. We all make mistakes in order to learn from them.
If you are also interested in the sole formal amalgamated ET contact initiative, please study at least that material we have recently translated into your language for you.
I apologise in advance if my tone has seemed disrespectful, Michael. Nothing could be further from my mind, and I HOPE you can return my correspondence in the spirit in which I send it to you, and we can work together to do this ET Enlightenment right this time.
I don't think we will have another chance.
Peace and wisdom,
Dyson
www.gaiaguys.net
2.)
From: Exopolitics.Org
To: gaiaguysnet
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Michael Horn and Embellishing the TRuth
Hello Dyson, thanks for the respectful tone in your email. I think you would be advised to put some distance between yourself and FIGU. For the record, I think Billy is a genuine contactee but he is no reincarnated prophet. That is disinfo promoted by the Plejarans and wilfully disseminated by FIGU shills such as Michael Horn. You can see from the comments below that Horn evades the points I make, and does little but hurl insults and slurs at others supporting cases he doesn't agree with. For the record, there are a great number of people who believe Alex Collier is a legitimate contactee and take offense at debunkers such as Horn.
As for reputations, I think Horn's words exemplify the extent he will go to debunk others based on little more than his own public declarations deriving from a spurious reading of Alex Collier's online material. Also, you will notice that Horn agrees with my assessment below that he embellishes the truth. The question is to what extent will he embellish the truth and misrepresent others to support his arguments. Quite far in my opinion.
Aloha, Michael Salla
3.)
From: gaiaguysnet
To: Exopolitics.Org
Cc: Michael
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Plejaren Federation
Dear Michael,
Thank you very much for your prompt and courteous emails. As it turns out, I received and replied to your email demon first. My reply is appended.
I think we can continue to correspond so respectfully to one and other in spite of the vastly different understanding we have reached regarding the current ET situation, and we can both do our very best to accept that real ETs may well be bringing us some very iconoclastic information, and they may even be doing it in a very heterodox manner. They are . after all . people from other planets, so I think it's logical to expect some foreign concepts and methodologies from them.
I merely ask you now to take nothing on faith, including my advice. I ask you to reach your own conclusions based on nothing more than your own independent LOGICAL scrutiny of the available data, which is nothing if not voluminous! As I said, Earth has a serious language problem, as only 100 million of us can read the language to which the Plejaren Federation and their associates have chosen to restrict themselves. I'm just glad its only German and not Martian. :-)
I also accept the demands made on your valuable time, (and mine) so I will try to be as concise as possible.
These HIGHLY spiritually, intellectually and technologically advanced ETs scorn diplomacy as naked duplicity. Truth is understood as a powerful and elemental force, which MUST now be redelivered harshly and indeed woundingly. ("The hard and compacted soil must be broken before the seeds can again be planted.") Truth is the bedrock upon which they base their entire lives. But human evolution cannot be accurately linearly extrapolated from the behaviour of (not yet fully human) Earthlings, and that which we call common sense is actually common among advanced humans. This does not exclude a certain studied and quite tactical deception, by which I think you are being misled, as I mentioned previously. It took me quite a bit of digging through the generated dross before I hit the Mother Lode, but I promise you that it is there and the rewards are as wonderful as they are ineffable. But my previous allusion to the Copernican revolution was never more apt than today, when we will learn that we are not in a position to set the ET contact agenda. They do that on their own strict terms. We must all swallow our pride, as the first - and utterly imperative - small step towards the inevitable more public contact in the distant future.
With this in mind, I would ask that we draw a line under the Michael Horn debates, as I think it would be more fruitful to go more directly to the source of the information instead of relying entirely on the USAmerican representative, whose methodologies are not entirely and immediately obvious.
These ETs are very disparaging of US adventurism, etc., and I think they are doing their level best to deliberately keep the one Superpower away from the party as long as possible.
Horn has heroically and selflessly volunteered to undertake an impossible mission trying to - on one hand - advance the enlightenment, and - on the other hand - not engender such enmity from his ignorant and jingoistic radio hosts, etc. that he is rejected from the few important public platforms now rapidly opening to him. He is neither a shill nor dupe. Far from it! He is not to be underestimated. Vivienne and I hold him in enormous respect and are proud to call him one of our best friends. I say this because sycophancy is not friendly. It is deadly. I love nobody more than someone who loves me enough to tell me when I am on the wrong track.
Before I proceed, Michael, I just wanted to say that I am relieved that you accept Eduard Meier as a genuine contactee, which makes my task of providing the truth about who he really is to you a little easier, albeit still seemingly almost impossible. I also would like to know whether you have read Guido Mossbrugger's And Still They Fly, the Talmud Jmmanuel and/or seen Horn's DVD.
I have to know how much you know about this genuine ET contact in order to efficiently tailor my approach to you. Ideally, I would let you wend your own path slowly through our thousands of webpages, so that your interests take you at a comfortable pace, but its deliberately somewhat labyrinthine nature, and understandable constraints on your time, preclude that. I recognize that we live in a imperfect world. If you can spare the time, I would initially like to direct you to an article Vivienne wrote last year entitled "What CSETI Needs to Know" which may be a good starting point. www.gaiaguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm
I would also very respectfully ask you about your religious convictions (if they are not too personal to share, of course) and whether you might be a Freemason or member of a similar secret society which also has a vested interest in ruthlessly obscuring the ET truth.
Of course it is incumbent upon me to make your final conclusions about the Plejaren Federation well known, whatever they may prove to be.
You will discover that what is commonly understood as "New Age" (situation reality) is the antithesis of the REAL New (or Golden) Age of Knowledge, as opposed to the now fading dark Age of Belief. The Old World is ending. Those in power now use their resources to maintain that waning power through vicious calumny and, in Meier's case, 21 officially documented assassination attempts. Why is this man so dangerous? And why are all the many various attempts on his life invariably so futile?
To the best of my understanding, I am the English-speaking world's foremost authority on the written material provided to and by Billy Meier, excluding of course those 49 less communicative core members of FIGU who also have a command of our language. In this regard, I maintain an unofficial (albeit formally approved of) stance.
Thank you once again for your most valued time and I look forward to offering any assistance I can to you and your co-workers.
Yours faithfully,
Dyson
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Dear Michael Salla,
Thank you for you invitation to join your discussion board.
Unfortunately the demonstrable truth about the ongoing (65 years) ONLY formal amalgamated (human) extraterrestrial contact initiative (from them, not us) is both "provocative and disruptive", which makes it forbidden on your list.
And as you might imagine, we Earthlings are not calling the shots, the ETs are - and always have - so any ideas of open public contact for several centuries is pure moondust, while we try to grow out of our ignorant arrogance.
It seems such a shame that the truth is being kept from those who go there to find accurate answers from your participants.
Is there a way around this? I'd love to join your list if I am still welcome. I am very polite, but the truth is also very disruptive of the status quo, I'm afraid. Not to mention provocative. The sword of truth is divisive.
Thank you,
Dyson Devine
www.gaiaguys.net
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4.)
From: Exopolitics
To: gaiaguysnet
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Plejaren Federation
Hello Dyson, let me first say that the prepare4contact discussion forum proscribes provocative and insulting language. For that reason, Michael Horn was banned from the list. However, there are a number of other Billy Meier 'supporters' who post on the list and there has been no problem with them since they maintain a respectful tone in their communications. You must remember that I have worked as a university professor and not as a bar-room brawler. I expect certain standards for civilized discourse and thankfully many agree with me which is why the p4c list has grown so large. As for Michael Horn's exclusion from p4c and other lists which I'm involved with, it has nothing to do with his promotion of the Billy Meier material or 'truth' as he sees it; but is based on his profane, insulting and accusatory language towards any who have the temerity to defend the credibility of contactees that he debunks.
You ask about Billy Meier, and my attitude. I think Billy Meier's contact experiences are very important sources of information concerning ET history, diplomacy and politics. Nevertheless, I don't support efforts to portray Billy as the reincarnated Prophet Jmmanuel, Mohammed, etc. I have had some good debates with Jim Deardorff on that and we have agreed to disagree, and have moved on to other matters. I would certainly encourage you to join the forum and share information with the other posters there.
Aloha, Michael Salla
5.)
From: gaiaguysnet
To: Exopolitics
Cc: Michael
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Plejaren Federation
Thank you very much, Michael.
Just to clarify - I fully support you banning provocative and insulting "language", but will provocative and insulting ideas also be welcome? I am aware that there are many many people out there who pose as Meier supporters, but are the exact opposite. I also see the truth, however offensive it may be, as standing independently of subjective belief systems. Do you concur? As we state on our opening page, " The consequences of a claim that something is true are entirely irrelevant to the issue of whether the claim is true. "
Would you be so kind as to address the (following) enquiries I put to you?
Before I proceed, Michael, I just wanted to say that I am relieved that you accept Eduard Meier as a genuine contactee, which makes my task of providing the truth about who he really is to you a little easier, albeit still seemingly almost impossible. I also would like to know whether you have read Guido Mossbrugger's And Still They Fly, the Talmud Jmmanuel and/or seen Horn's DVD.
I have to know how much you know about this genuine ET contact in order to efficiently tailor my approach to you. Ideally, I would let you wend your own path slowly through our thousands of webpages, so that your interests take you at a comfortable pace, but its deliberately somewhat labyrinthine nature, and understandable constraints on your time, preclude that. I recognize that we live in a imperfect world. If you can spare the time, I would initially like to direct you to an article Vivienne wrote last year entitled "What CSETI Needs to Know" which may be a good starting point. www.gaiaguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm
I would also very respectfully ask you about your religious convictions (if they are not too personal to share, of course) and whether you might be a Freemason or member of a similar secret society which also has a vested interest in ruthlessly obscuring the ET truth.
Thank you. Be aware that no answer is also an answer.
"I don't support efforts to portray Billy as the reincarnated Prophet Jmmanuel, Mohammed, etc." Could you please provide the scientific evidence you have accrued which has led you to this erroneous conclusion?
I'd also like to leave Michael Horn out of our relationship now if I may, and try to direct you to the direct source of the data you require to substantiate the noble claims you make on your list.
Thank you again,
Dyson
6.)
From: Exopolitics
To: gaiaguysnet
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: Plejaren Federation
Hello Dyson, the way in which ideas are packaged does influence how they are received by others. If one takes an "in your face" approach saying I'm telling you the truth so like it or lump it, then one provokes a reaction. The reaction can escalate leading to negative exchanges which is why I stress as far as possible polite or diplomatic langauge on the forum. It's wrong to assume that an "in your face approach" is necessary at all times since the p4c forum has a great number of experiencers posting on it. Each has their own direct experience of the ET presence and are not operating exclusively from the experiencers of others. Furthermore, as a university educator, it is wrong to assume that a bar room approach to ET issues is what is needed to get the truth across to those still new to this informatio.
In answer to your other questions, I have read the TJ and have commented on it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exopolitics/message/252 . As for Guido's book, no I have yet to read it. As for my religious affiliations, I have none. Nor do I belong to any secret society with an agenda, nor do I take any one 'contactee' as the final authority on ET related matters. In all cases, one uses discernment and assesses a lot of valid material from a range of sources.
Aloha, Michael Salla
Dyson, I just read through the CSETI article you sent: www.gaiaguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm. I agree with Greer's position in not using the Meier case for CSETI. The obvious reason is that military-government witnesses were his priority, and in the U.S. it makes sense to work with such individuals whose credentials make them worth listening to. That is a position I fully endorse and indeed has influenced my own approach of concentrating on whistleblower testimonies in my research. There is also the ideological reason of CSETI's priority in promoting direct experiential knowledge of ETs. That is very sensible and something I fully support. Each of us should cultivate our own direct awareness and experience of ETs and not rely on the communications of one person, regardless of how much physical evidence they have to substantiate their ET contact experiences.
Let me be honest here with you Dyson. You will find on the prepare4contact forum a great number of individuals with direct ET contact experiences who will resist any effort to portray the Billy Meier case as the template for contactee information. On the other hand, the forum is open to new ideas and approaches so you will have the opportunity to share information with some very informed individuals.
Aloha, Michael Salla
7.)
From: "gaiaguysnet" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net>
To: "Exopolitics" <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Michael" <michael@theyfly.com>
Subject: Re: Plejaren Federation
Date: Monday, 6 February 2006 11:05 AM
Thank you again, Michael, for your prompt reply and welcome answers to my personal questions of you. So may I state without any qualifications that you are not a Freemason? The reason that I am rather rudely pursuing this topic with you is because, as you will have noticed from Richard Crandall's book which Steven Greer describes as the other side of the DP coin, Freemasonry seems to play a huge role in the thwarting of the ET truth. And former Freemasons (and I) recognize very blatant symbolism of your own website, of which I must assume you are unaware. Many times in the past the question I asked of you has been answered in a circuitous manner, by stating, for instance, "Nor do I belong to any secret society with an agenda", as these people deceptively deny that they are a secret society ("We are a society with secrets") and of course they also deceptively deny that they have any agenda. Unambiguously denying their membership in The Craft is a cardinal sin.
I look forward to joining your list, thank you very much. Naturally I am very aware that discourtesy is offensive, and I shall certainly attempt to do my very best to very politely and very very diplomatically attempt to communicate what I know about advanced ET human diplomacy, or total lack thereof.
And in reply to your second email (appended below for your convenience): Thank you also very much indeed for making the time in your busy schedule to read Vivienne's little article. She informs me that your important and very noteworthy comments will certainly be added to it. Of course I politely disagree that a full scientific examination of all aspects of ETI should exclude Meier, but I do so with no acrimony and with great respect for your significant position in this growing and rewarding field.
And I would like to make an effort to clear up the erroneous impression that I have inadvertently left you with that I am not also someone who has had more than his share of very personal ET experiences, as recently as four days ago, as a matter of fact. I am a former USAF Air Traffic Control radar technician who was asked by Steven Greer for his witness testimony, which he corroborated. Vivienne and I are also . to the best of our knowledge . the only people in the world who's public ET enlightenment initiatives were so publicly and indisputably acknowledged by the people who make the real "crop circles". And why, if I may ask, has this terribly significant ET contact initiative been omitted from your website, please? I saw no links in my quick initial cursory search, but did notice that you have spelled "Meier" with a concluding "S". If I may be so impudent, Michael, may I please venture to suppose that this may be perceived by some as less than entirely compatible with your otherwise obviously very detailed efforts?
There remain a couple of question I have asked of you please Michael, if you could please spare the time to address them? "I also see the truth, however offensive it may be, as standing independently of subjective belief systems. Do you concur? As we state on our opening page, "'The consequences of a claim that something is true are entirely irrelevant to the issue of whether the claim is true.'"
The other question is: "I don't support efforts to portray Billy as the reincarnated Prophet Jmmanuel, Mohammed, etc." Could you please provide the scientific evidence you have accrued which has led you to this erroneous conclusion?
Thank you once again for your patience and forbearance with my many somewhat insolent questions of you, Michael, and I look forward to a long and fruitful stay on your Yahoo list.
Aloha,
Dyson
From: "gaiaguysnet" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net>
To: "Exopolitics" <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Michael" <michael@theyfly.com>
Subject: Email sent again - re: Plejaren Federation
Date: Saturday, 11 February 2006 3:28 PM
Dear Michael,
I apologise if my response [above] to your email was already received by you, but since I have received no reply from you all week, I take the liberty of sending it to you again. Of course I know how busy you must be.
Coincidental with joining your p4c list, we have discovered that many of our emails are again being stopped. We have been reliably informed by a co-worker who has ties with the Australian intelligence services that some of our emails are being thwarted by rogue elements within the Australian Security Intelligence Service (ASIS) through "some spy centre at Beacon Hill". So, if we do not hear from you, or you receive no prompt reply to your correspondence from us, kindly persevere. It has taken as many as seven tries.
Thank you very much in anticipation of your customary prompt reply.
Shalom,
Dyson
8.)
Hello Dyson, I did receive your earlier email but as I've already answered your questions I left it at that and thought you would begin posting on the p4c forum. If you wish to join the forum and raise issues/questions there that is fine. As for the Meier case, we have already discussed it at some length so members are familiar with it.
Aloha, Michael
9.)
From: "gaiaguysnet" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net>
To: "Exopolitics" <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Michael" <michael@theyfly.com>
Subject: Re: Email sent again - re: Plejaren Federation
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006 10:20 AM
Thank you, Michael.
I am therefore sadly forced to conclude that you are indeed a Freemason. An unequivocal denial would be easy otherwise.
This is very serious indeed, in light of the ancient agenda your organisation has against the truth coming out about the current ET presence, as well as - of course - the malign extraterrestrial puppetmasters, the Bafath (a.k.a. "Giza Intelligences") your organisation has been governed by since shortly after the birth of Jmmanuel, and up until May 1978, when they were finally deported from their redoubt under the Giza Plateau.
I have already joined your Yahoo list, thank you, and look forward to an enlightening exchange.
And I thank you most sincerely for your unfailingly courteous dialogs with me. Much appreciated!
Shalom,
Dyson
10.)
From: "Exopolitics" <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
To: "gaiaguysnet" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net>
Subject: Re: Email sent again - re: Plejaren Federation
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006 10:54 AM
Your conclusion and thinking is clearly wrong. I have already said I am not a member of any secret society that inlcudes the Freemasons and other other society you can think of.
Aloha, Michael Salla
11.)
From: "gaiaguysnet" <gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net>
To: "Exopolitics" <exopolitics@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Michael" <michael@theyfly.com>
Subject: Re: Email sent again - re: Plejaren Federation
Date: Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:42 PM
Thank you again, Michael.
I apologise unreservedly for my misunderstanding.
Shalom,
Dyson
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