Talk:How did our universe and our world come into existence?

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ory said ...

How many absolute absolutums are in existence .

and absolute perfection does not exist anywere , do you agree .

--ory 05:57, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Just my opinion, from what I can gather, the Absolute Absolution is the highest "state of BEING" reached after Creation has evolved or "obtained" the 10 to the 49th power of evolution, in which more Creation(s) are created and "adds" to the endless/timeless of a never ending "expansion" of the Absolute Absolution which "exists" in the non-space realm.

Absolute Perfection can never be "obtained", it is always evolving, and if it did reach that "stage", then evolution will cease to is a never ending process that continues forever.

"It" or better described as

--Hawaiian 07:28, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Suv said ...

Even Creation is evolving. So absolute pefection does not exists.

Even the Absolute Absolutum evolves into Ur-Absolutum, Central Absolutum, Creations Absolutum, Super Absolutum, Sohar Absolutum, BEING Absolutum and possibly many more higher Absolutum forms.

--Suv 17:13, 29 March 2010 (BST)

Stuart said ...

Hi, I do not have a religious axe to grind, but I find the comment about being no Creator God. If these happening are the result of 'Spiritual-Physical' processes, how can a 'Creator' not be involved. Also, this 'birthing' process was set up to behave in a particular manner. Where did it's programming come from?


--Stuart 09:45, 27 August 2010 (BST)

Noahochoa said ...

can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?

--Noahochoa 07:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Noahochoa said ...

can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?

--Noahochoa 07:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Sanjin said ...

Stuart, something did in a sense give birth to the Creation, but the Creation itself created the visible universe from its own idea. In a similar sense, someone did give birth to you, but you are still creating your life.

Noahochoa, FIGU Bulletin #5 has a good explanation or just do a search on "belts" to see what the Plejaren say themselves.

--Sanjin 17:17, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Usedname said ...

Glory be to the Creation. :) Extremely difficult and seemingly impossible is the distribution of the truth about the almighty Creation,its laws and recommendations. Seems like my existence on Earth is amongst degenerate primates who swing on the vines of trees in a jungle of impenetrable ignorance, arrogance,and megalomania. :(

--Usedname 11:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Actually it would be futile in attempting to conceptualize where or when Creation starts or ends because “its” idea is a result of countless accumulations of knowledge and experiences from various foundations of evolution to include the material as well as the non-material realms of existence.

The very nature of Creation is the evolutionary process of being into BEING and BEING into being and so forth, the merging from the physical to the half physical/spiritual to the Arahat Athersata to the Petale and so forth. Thus Creation can never be “contained” in any shape, form or thoughts for doing so (if possible?) would violate its free will of evolutionary nature.

It is like saying “I will think for you, therefore I am you”! You are not longer unique but just another clone that has just stopped evolving.

--Hawaiian 18:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Radacci said ...

is there an inconsistency here? it states at the first line that big bang comes from ur-universe. but it says creation universe is the lowest evolution state, and next comes ur-universe? if we're an creation universe, how can creation universe exist before ur-universe, which gives it birth?

--Radacci 20:03, 16 July 2011 (BST)

Markvd said ...

Our universe has a twin I wonder if it had octuplets and that occured because of the big bang X2 and the Earth came to be through billions of years of collsions in which our planet came to be. It's amazing how quickly we can destroy a planet knowing how long it takes to create one. Weird.

--Markvd 07:32, 17 July 2011 (BST)

Hawaiian said ...

Excellent summary and I would like to add a little "salt" to the bitter truth that NO god or gods or for that matter any religious dogma has a MONOPOLY on Creation! For Creation, because it is Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors.

Thus, every single human and other intelligences knowledge/experiences will also in due course merge into the Absolute Absolutum to again create more wonderful things. To claim that these god or gods have absolute control of Creation is a travesty of justice against humanity for this concept only validates the barbaric nature of some parasitic entity existing at the expense others.

--Hawaiian 01:02, 31 August 2011 (BST)

Newb slayer said ...

"Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors. "

It needs more knowledge and experiences at my behalf though - at my expense. How convenient. Congratulations, enslaving parasites for your amazing insights.

It needs more knowledge you say? ROFL. Theres empty space. Then thers stuff you can build and shape any way you want on top of the empty space. What more knowledge is there to know? Needs more knowlege you say? What knowledge can it really get when it created / molded the constants/parameters to behave in whatever way it wants. You ass kissers don't understand anything.

Easy for our Creator to play its f@ggot game since it had the chance of being created first before anyone else, it could have easily been the other way around, except I wouldn't even think to create eating, shitting, breathing, animal bloodsports, being at the mercy of random psychopath's weapons, forcing all to suck cock / eat vagina against their own will, etc, etc, etc.

You parasite criminals think you understand? You understand nothing. You are nothing but puppets. Retard bondage clowns, understand simple logic, Creation can do anything it wants with its stuff/constants/parameters. So why do retarded/annoying sh!t on purpose?

And all of you, you went along with this. If you humans on all planets had a gram of righteousness in you, you would stop reproducing to force Creation to change it's laws to be more fun. Laws like for example, those that want to be granted freedom from reincarnation must be granted it. It's only fair.

Of course I wouldn't expect unrighteous enslaving parasite c0ck starved bondage clowns like yourselves to understand this.

Like bizzare weasel cockroaches you roam the planet pillaging everything in your path. You then choose an inverse genital target to have an inverse relationship and to force another into cocksucking expeditions. Through succesive lifetimes you swap genital roles and have at it again. Like bizzare weasel cockroaches it required inverse genitals to lure you into decreasing your psychopathness. NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT ONE LIFETIME YOU PARASITED XY, THE NEXT IT WAS YOUR CHILD AND YOU SHOWERED IT WITH EFFORT/WORK/TIME, THE NEXT YOU CUT ITS THROAT, THE NEXT YOU DEEPTHROATED IT'S COCK FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT, I WANT ALL OF YOU TO ENJOY TAKING EACH OTHER SERIOUSLY KNOWING THAT GENITALS WERE THE PIVITAL DIFFERENCE, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. THAT'S THE MASTERY OF OUR CREATOR.

--Newb slayer 01:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Zameen said ...

That was awesome. Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case yet, totally focused on hating it also. Amazing, Eloquent, Ignorant, Masterful....Me Gusta.

--Zameen 01:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

RemR said ...

Yeah, wow... "Newb slayer" - That was such a nonsensical, illogical, crude, primitive, defamatory and puffy-chested post that I don't think it even warrants any more than this remark in response.

--RemR 01:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Markvd said ...

Someone wants attention, I don't know who but I think they might be onto something. :)

--Markvd 02:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Newb slayer,

I would highly recommend your credentials to be a judge for the Giza Intelligences on that prison planet millions of light years away! It's just too bad they all died in 1996. Maybe we can find you some employment for other degenerates in the DERN universe who are in need of such "Enlightenment".

--Hawaiian 03:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Newb slayer said ...

"Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case "

I know this case perfectly well. I do not debate that master Meier is the real deal prophet of the new time, nor do I debate the math/physics of the case or anything and everything in general.

I'm simply stating that Creation's laws are injust.

THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. It's only fair. Anythign less is enslaving bondage.

You see, bondage clowns, "love" is a 2 way street. It's not "love" any more if it's forced. Then it's bondage. If I was Creation, I would allow freedom from reincarnation to those that wanted. The masters/elite get to escape on to better things, and you that enjoy building weapons and rectal residue can have your fun, everyone wins.

"Ignorant". ROFL. Look at yourself in the mirror to see who willfully IGNORES all angles on the table. You are nothing but puppets/sheep/cattle blindly following what you have been told without scrutinizing deeply in your own interior everything.

Don't get me wrong, what you've been told is the truth, Meier is the real deal, I know this fully well, the point is: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. Is this so wrong?

Anything less is enslaving bondage, and it's this principle why you are being torn apart and brought back down to reality, not what you want to cram down other people's throats: that's not "love"; "love" must be reciprical. Those that want it, full power to you, those that don't, must be granted freedom from reincarnation; everyone wins; everyone is happy. SOMETIMES, THE PRINCIPLE MATTERS. SOMETIMES THE PRINCIPLE IS EVERYTHING.

--Newb slayer 04:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sheila said ...

Newb, you say those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it? Since you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference? So you think it's better if you don't reincarnate? What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work. You've said so yourself. What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about. Personally I blame religion for most of that and people's weak mindedness to do the easy thing (or to go along with the crowd) instead of what is considered hard work. I think you're stuck on some concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of things. Love ya!

--Sheila 18:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Zameen said ...

Thank ypu Sheila. You beat me to it! Salome!

--Zameen 19:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites to include the gods, their cohorts the sons/daughters of heaven, creator overlords, Giza and other ET’s that still harbor thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.

We are all victims of these injustices, including Billy Meier, whose incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon is also bearing the same experiences we all are going through in spite of the fact that he co-created both the Plejarens, their ancestors including the creator overlords (responsible for the ageing manipulation and the reason why we don’t live past 100 years) Even Billy Meier’s spirit is subjected to the reincarnation process even though Nokodemjon was a pure spiritual form of the Arahat Athersata level, it to is going through this painful period to last millions of years or more even just to reach the half spiritual level again.

To say this is unfair, I would certainly agree for there are options to resolve this, but those in power to do so still have not “found” the logical humane cosmic laws to reference its appropriate applications nor the will to do so. The capacity to render this solution lies in both inside and outside of Earthly domains, it is the merging of both worlds that the final solutions will be forthcoming.

It is also true that creational laws as currently known to exist will not work to resolve the gross travesty inflicted on both the spiritual and material planes currently experienced on Earth. These laws need to evolve at the same intensity that produced such degenerated conditions because of the Cause and Effect which was and continue to be negated by its opposite, the Not-Cause and Not-Effect, because the forces that could have prevented such events from occurring did not react in DUE time, it was and continue to be “after the fact” as displayed in the intervention from higher intelligences during the Bardan episode when they destroyed several worlds in their homelands a little over 1000 years ago.

Does it have to take this sort of crisis in order for creation to “readjust” its equilibrium, or do we wait 800 years as the Plejarens have predicted before they believe its time Earthly matters are to be taken seriously?

When Billy says “we are all connected” is so very true and I am confident to mention that we are linked through the spirit’s various connections from the material to non-material spectrum that spans time/space and dimensions up to the spiritual level where Nokodemjon came from and even beyond. It is when one finds these connections that he/she has which also links to others as well and when his/her spirit begins to resonate from logical reasoning’s between the material conscious and subconscious, that these links also begin to resonate along its appropriate paths that will produce the harmonic impulses for the most appropriate equilibrium resolutions. This resolution is administered through the “Equational Potential Formulations”, a complex form of balanced forces that includes every single incident, event, space, time, dimensions, actions/reactions, Cause & Effect, Not-Cause & Not-Effect, both the positive and negative factors or parameters and other things, nothing is excluded. Its concept is not listed in Billy’s materials and I only discovered this rather recently, its application cannot be applied using Earthly technology, but requires much higher frequency processing because fine matter energy is also included which plays a very important function

--Hawaiian 20:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Markvd said ...

Due to fluctuating thought process Newb Slayer I suggest being incarnated as often and fast as possible as some members suggested to find a more stable Peaceful Slayer. The change in fluctuating TONE can ONLY be improved THROUGH multiple LIFETIMES. ;) Hang in there my fellow human people. I thought of that very same scenario as well to tell you the truth due to the unnatural process of incarnation in this territory but a little more organization let's say 75% more and everyone can develop accordingly if everyone wasn't crammed into one planet in the region and there was a clear goal for every human on the planet that doesn't have to do with material or power growth. Time will tell if the process becomes natural.

--Markvd 20:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Newb slayer said ...

Silly newbs, all your robot newb antics were already answered 10fold in the first post. You lack reading comprehension. So you puppet cattle sheep newbs want to be slain mercilessly do you? Let’s begin.

To the newb clowns known as Sheila and Zameen: “you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference?” Are you mentally retarded? It’s not about that; this was quiet clear from the get go. It’s about not liking living in a weakling shitty, snot filled, need to breathe just to stay alive disgustingly ugly human body, easily harmed and injured. It’s about a rejection of the present version of reality (which can be constructed an infinite number of other ways). Ignorant bondage robot, can you understand, that the present version of reality can be constructed an infinite number of other ways by Creation? Can you grasp this simple concept already mentioned in the first post? Can you understand that if Creation wanted to, it could make you not have to eat, not have to shit, not have to work to produce goods, not have any pain sensors, unlocking flight 900000000X easier, not be dependent on you and your kind’s noxious breeding bondage fetishes, to biological weapons, ray weapons, nuclear weapons, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, you C0CKRAOCH CHARGING BONDAGE NEWBS? Can you understand this simple concept, c0ck starved charging bondage robots? Just look at the sh!t that’s coming out of your mouth. I mean, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to have a serious debate.

“What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work.” Wow just wow. See the previous paragraph again. Again you come with random garbage. Do you speak the language of logic you maggot bondage robot? Second of all you maggot b!tch, what’s it to you what motives someone has for that; that’s their own business. No one is stopping you from continuing your weapon building, noxious breeding vermin, mini me fetished, cock sucking expeditions with your fellow bondage robots if it turns you on. Those that want an exit must be given an exit. Can you understand this simple concept? Third of all, you stupid animal, - YOU - need a lot of work. You think just because you are fallible, everyone else is as well? You think everyone is at your special needs level? Don’t project your failings/shortcomings onto others. (AND NO YOU STUPID ANIMAL, YOU DON’T GET TO POINT AT ME AS BEING FALLIBLE BECAUSE I’M NOT SUGAR COATING MY WORDS WHILE YOU GET TO BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS IN A WEAKLING CRAP AND SNOT FILLED BODY)

“What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about.” You robot charging b!tch. We’re not even talking about the same thing. Not everything is about you, you charging animal. Yes you have free will to bondage others to a 14x overpopulated toxic wasteland surrounded by weapons, to psychopath predators. I also have free will to knee kick you in the face right after I throw fireballs at you, which is coming you psychopath bondage animal. What exactly is your point you charging robot? Again, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious debate.

Sheila, I think you are stuck on some rectal residue, mini me fetished, weapon building, NOXIOUS BREEDING VERMIN concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of the-infinite-number-of-other-versions-of-reality- that-could-exist things. This is not the only version of reality possible you rabbid animal. Can you understand this simple concept? You stupid charging animal, all of this was already answered in the first post. How stupid do you feel? By the way what are the chances that you are ugly and physically weak / unfit, and unappealing. Pyrokinesis ya. LULZ.

To the charging bondage robot newb known as Hawaiian: “Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites.... thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.“ ROFL. YOU RABBID CHARGING ANIMAL. I don’t want universe domination; I want to be space fish, without your idiot restrictions that you have the audacity to force on everyone, just chilling out peacefully not in bondage to PSYCHOPATH ANIMALS LIKE YOURSELF AND LIVING IN A RESTRICTIVE HUMAN BODY. Can you read simple English? This was already answered in the first post. Can you understand simple logic you rabbid charging animal? Me a “parasite”? ROFL, I mean really now, this is the best you can come up with. I want a peaceful exit from reincarnation, MEANWHILE YOU AND YOUR KIND WANT TO FORCEFULLY BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS , TO YOUR DIGUSTING AND WEAK HUMAN BODY, TO PREDATORS, TO JAMAL’S HANDGUN, JUST SO YOU CAN INDULGE IN YOUR BIZZARE MINI ME / POCKET FORCED FRIEND / MORE ADVANCED PET FETISHES, and I’m the parasite? ROFL. Silly newb, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious discussion: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. As for the history lesson. I already know the history. I’m interested in having an abstract debate, not your trivial human b!tch games. In fact you just ridiculed yourself. In all of that horrible history you just described, you (and your kind) ego tripping bondage robots went along with it. GOOD WORK CHARGING BONDAGE GHETTO NEWBS. You psychopath bondage robot(s) have to ask yourself 1 question. Who’s the bigger psychopath? The psychopaths themselves? OR YOU WHO REPRODUCES BESIDE PSYCHOPATHS? ROFL. Weakling animal, the point of life is to achieve Creation’s level of power/mastery/godliness. The present version of reality's constants/parameters was constructed with heavy limitations to teach bondage clowns like yourself a brutal lesson. ROFL. An essential lesson of Creation's game (straight from master Meier’s mouth) is, “the mastery of one’s ego”. When you are surrounded by criminally overpopulating noxious breeding vermin and weapon builders, you don’t reproduce. In doing so, your spirit is effectively teleported in time (you wait , till the primitive animals on the planet have reached a compatible level of evolution for it to be reinserted), or in space (if the primitive noxious breeding weapon building animals eradicate themselves, your spirit moves to another planet). By you having bondage fetishes and going on an EGO tripping bondage rampage you only own yourself. Congratulations psycho newb. That's the mastery of our Creator you charging ego tripping animal. That’s kind version of it. Now for your newb slaying version: if all humans on all planets reject Creation’s primitive laws, it will have no choice but to alter them: to allow freedom from reincarnation should one desire it, and to remove all of the unnecessary restrictions. The rest of your post was just random gibberish. Charging bondage animal, everything was already answered in the first post: It doesn’t matter if you accurately described the present version of reality, because an infinite number of other versions could exist, yet you ANIMAL BONDAGE ROBOTS INSIST ON PRAISING THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. Everything was already answered in the first post: there’s empty space; then there’s stuff Creation can build and shape an infinite number of ways on top of (in) the empty space; then there’s your choice whether to accept it or not (via reproduction). Charging bondage robot, again this was already answered in the first post. Charging bondage robot, FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED TO THOSE THAT DESIRE IT. Not everyone craves the bondage like you do. Who could have known?

To cockroach newb known as MARKVD: Your random gibberish was already answered. An enslaving parasite till the very end are you? (those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it). Well you animal, what you fail to understand is that through your own bondage ego, you are open to manipulation and erradication. I suggest you get over your fetish with forcing your bondage on to others. Is that the only language you understand? So what you want is to force everyone into ass kissery with no option of a PEACEFUL exit to those that want it? And you find this reasonable? An enslaving parasite until the very end are you?

PS. Genitals.

PPS. mini me fetishes, MORE ADVANCED PETS, pocket forced friends. flagrant prostitution. RECTAL RESIDUE. CUM SHOTZ. DIRTY SANCHEZ. GOLD SHOWERS. machine guns, atomic bombs, poisonous oxygen depleted air, nutrient depleted food, politics, paper pushing, projectile semen, deep throating, biological weapons causing gruesome slow deaths, mana depleted earth, noxious breeding reproduction, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, genital logic, bondage, RICHARD GERE PRESENTS GIRBLING.

PPPS. What are the chances that all of you are ugly and physically unappealing. Tremble in fear hypocrite/irresponsible charging ghetto newb bondage clown robot life form psychopaths. The elite (the true elite, not comparable to the 2nd place material elite) are back. We show up every few 10 thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, enslaving parasites that you are. Are you ready for your next massacre? Enjoy the anticipation.

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What are the chances all of you are ugly animals with bodies that look like living corpses?

Who the fvck do you think you are that you get to forcefully bond others to you without the option of a peaceful exit: freedom from reincarnation must be granted to those that want it. On your knees. I want you to beg for forgiveness, not suck c0ck like you were hoping, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. The true elite are back. We show up every few 10thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.

Meier’s words: “The world will reverberate from a powerful and merciless war cry, and cities will be destroyed, and the blood of human beings will flow in streams. Hatred and vindictiveness will flood the earth, and human beings will live with the delusional belief of a doubtful peace, which they hope in vain to attain, for a worldwide war will inundate the earth, and nobody will be spared; not the old, not the women and children, not the sick and the injured, and not the just and the peaceful.”

and why should the women be spared, they are equally evil psychopaths, they are males in vaginal avatars after all, c0ckhungry charging bondage robots.

Some ask for a peaceful exit from reincarnation and you dare come to the discussion with your regujitated bondage fetishes. Are you ready to have fireballs thrown at you? Since you refuse to understand verbal logic (you must all either convince Creation to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it, or you must all halt reproduction on all planets to demand Creation to change its bondage laws to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it), perhaps you'll understand magic used against you logic, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. Enjoy being born in 20/40/80 years after your death and being enslaved (via reproduction) just like what you like to do, while some get to skim though your bondage in thousands of years. Enjoy the apocalypse bondage animals; it doesn't come often, and it will be giving out enriched extended lessons on the topic of bondage, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.

--Newb slayer 20:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Markvd said ...

Nice to meet you to, I do not know why you exist right now if you are so happy. You know what you can do to rest in peace. :) I do wish you well on your journey of endless growth and development.

--Markvd 21:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Newb "the psycho" slayer,

Have you forgotten to take your medicine, maybe double your dose of Prozac? You talk so tough while behind a keyboard so I suggest you start sending me some direct aggressive impulses so we'll see who becomes the slayer of your delusional sick mental degeneration thoughts?

Why attack Zameen and Sheila who tells the truth about yourself that only an idiot like you won't admit to and learn from the process? You got no class and Jamesm should just erase your filthy postings.

--Hawaiian 21:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)