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Noahochoa said ...

what is fine matter in terms of sub atomic particles and the 4 fundamental forces?... Or is it something else all together like, anti matter or dark matter/dark energy?

--Noahochoa 08:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

Fine matter is NON-CONDENSED energy like thoughts or ideas, sub-atomic particles are COARSE condensed matter. There are 49 levels of coarse material matter as one gets closer to the 49th level, the distinction between fine and coarse energy becomes very vague indeed and are often interchangeable, meaning it can be both at the same time depending on one's prospective.

What do you mean by 4 fundamental forces?

--Hawaiian 18:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Newinitiation said ...

Hey Hawaiian I've read that there are only 7 levels of coarse matter instead of 49.

Did the 4 fundamental force meant strong and weak nuclear force, gravitation and electromagnetism

--Newinitiation 01:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

True, 7 material levels, but within EACH level are also 7 sub-levels for a total of 49.

--Hawaiian 22:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Noahochoa said ...

strong nuclear force, electromagnetism, weak nuclear force, gravity.... but even thoughts & ideas are composed of chemical & electrical interactions in the brain, so wouldn't they be "coarse matter" too?

--Noahochoa 23:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian said ...

From a strictly physical material point-of-view, yes thoughts generated EXCLUSIVELY from the electrical/chemical stimulation of the brain are considered “material interactions or reactions”. From another contact report (apparently I don’t remember which one) states that even those androids recovered from the Roswell incident are capable of creative thoughts but do not have the spiritual essence for true creational endeavors.

While on this topic (not to deviate off the subject), but to point to a significant difference that truly explains the interaction between these two energies, the fine and coarse realms, if you will, that dominates the entire well being of the universe and all that resides in its environment including dimensions.

It is this interaction or more accurately speaking, intelligent Beings or at a much higher level BEINGS who can interface and manipulate the material and or non-material realms which is explained later in this exercise. Through the 7th sense and spiritual force, which is non-material or fine energy, BEAM can truly push this fine matter ability via spiritual telepathy that was demonstrated when he instantly checked on Semjase’s critical condition many light years away not restricted by time and space, which is a limiting factor for coarse matter. His thoughts alone can be considered “material Consciousness”, but combined with his spiritual energy allows for non-material applications.

When human beings are evolved into the first pure spiritual level of Arahat Athersata, they are no longer material in nature. However only at the Petale spiritual level do these BEINGS have the capacity to “reconvert” a pure spirit into a material Being as was done to Nokodemjion, now reincarnated in BEAM himself. (attached)

Contact Note 228 Billy

Yes. That is also right.

Nokodemion’s pure spirit form was already very highly developed in the Arahat Athersata-level as the resolution to return in a material human body was made, whereby the implementation certainly could only be enabled through the authoritative engagement of the highest level, being the Petale level.

This is because, for Nokodemion’s spirit form, a special consistency-alteration had to be created, only through which the spirit form could be capable of returning in a human body.

Thus Noahochoa, to a certain degree one can distinguish quite clearly the separation between coarse material matter from fine “matter” or energy, but as one goes deeper into the 7, 6 or 1st levels, this distinction gets fizzy and often are interchangeable. The level you are referring to is probably at the outer most 7 level and resides either in the 3rd or 4th sub-level. But the most important factor or “catalyst” that makes events happen is the SPIRIT. Androids, how ever technologically advanced, cannot make this happen, that spirit resides in each and every human or other intelligence in this DERN, DAL and other universes. Hope this explains what you seek and bear in mind not to be swayed or contaminated by some “god particle”, religious bias but perceive these wonders through a scientific double-blind approach devoid of one’s ego or thirst for power.

--Hawaiian 02:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian 02:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)please note a correction caught before posting, that Nokodemjion's spirit is not "reconverted" but its essence was altered in order to be capable of reincarnating into a human body. The spirit cannot be destroyed, sorry for the mis-step, I'm just another Earth human like everyone else. Saalome-Hawaiian