Talk:21st August 2010 - The worst floods in the entire history of Pakistan

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Mark said ...

The prophets were spot on about us seeing catastrophies of such a massive scale. The next 2 years are suppose to be the worst. I sure hope people find kindness in themselves to help others any way they can through volunteer or donation because many will need help. All territories of the world are facing some natural occurence. Let's be prepared to mobilize quickly.

--Mark 06:25, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Bigfoot said ...

People think that time travel is impossible...yet they mostly think that the coming events cannot affect them because when they die they don't come back to the Earth. How cruel can one be to procreate and then tell their children...it is your problem son/daughter...when I die I won't be coming back. I was shopping in Wallmart the other day and over heard conversation between an employee and a elderly couple. The employee was bragging to them about her 14 grandchildren. I thought she acted so proud/unknowing.

--Bigfoot 18:44, 22 August 2010 (BST)

jesus goldfarb said ...

"Of course, all Earth humans are equally to blame for our current population" ---- Are they? I have no children, therefore I am not contributing to the problem. Billy Meier has children as well as many members of FIGU. I wish these FIGU people would practice what they preach instead of talking like hypocrites.

--jesus goldfarb 21:11, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Jesus, I think you may have a good point on the one hand. It's initially a bit unfair of me to place the blame equally on all humans. However upon further contemplation my logic is sound. Does simply existing and adding to the population cause us to take the blame? Not really, we are not in control of whether we are born or not. Should it be a case of only those who have children are to blame? No, we can reduce the population even with 3 children per couple (by requiring that several prerequisites are satisfied before procreation is permitted, for example). Perhaps the blame should be laid at the feet of governments whose job it is to protect us? No, because the people grant power to the government and can take it away. Or the media companies who encourage sexual irresponsibility? No, because they only affect a subset of the population. Or the religions that are against contraception? No, same reason. Answer this: Who were responsible for the Nazi atrocities during World War 2? The Nazis or the people of Germany who voted them into power or, through inaction, failed to ensure that they stayed out of power? I would say the adults of Germany in 1932 were to blame. Since overpopulation is a current and escalating problem we should all take the blame and responsibility until we have averted from our dangerous course. We all need to take action against overpopulation and it is irresponsible not to do so. Only children can be deemed innocent in my opinion.

--Jamesm 00:50, 23 August 2010 (BST)

Cat Johnson said ...

A tragedy on immense proportions. I'm saddened to my core on what we're doing to our beautiful earth.

I sit here in my lovely home, unable to comprehend what those people are going through. What can I do? I'm passing this information from Billy on to as many people as will listen.

--Cat Johnson 02:33, 23 August 2010 (BST)

jesus goldfarb said ...

Jamesm.

Naturally, I must disagree with your logic on this matter.

The nazis of WW2 were a corrupt political movement that few in germany could have foreseen or stopped.

Overpopulation is a problem that has little to do with votes or elections. It's a personal choice that people make, or in my case a choice that I don't make.

A person cannot have children and then tell other people not to breed without looking like a total loser. There is no sound logic in being an apologist for such hypocrisy. Merely mistakes and learning.

saalome


--jesus goldfarb 07:38, 23 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Jesus perhaps blame is the wrong word to use, but perhaps it is more certain that we should at least all take full responsibility for reducing the population to a sustainable level. Where should the blame lie for our current situation? That's a big question. Can you help me answer that question, please?

On the other topic of having children, are you saying Meier and FIGU people with children are hypocrites for having children when they say that others should not have children? If so then you misinterpreted their message. They (FIGU) never said people should not have children. FIGU have proposed that we reduce the population, to at least 2 billion but half a billion is better, through a global birth control programme that could involve alternating periods of procreation-permitted and procreation-forbidden. Do you still think he is a hypocrite?


--Jamesm 00:32, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Neckel said ...

Dear Jesus,

I have no children.

Not many but only a few members of the CG in FIGU have children, the majority is single and are adults. The reason why some have already children is also because they came to FIGU already when having the children. And James is correct, the number of children should be minimised to 3 at max per woman, and also only persons/couples who are able (financially, to provide the education and psychologically) to raise children, should get some. Of course you are right when you say that you do not conrtibute to the problem :) this is already something, but this does not change anything in the world situation right now. If this (at max 3 children/women/suited couple) is not applied globally there will be no success.

Also many environmentalists, or persons who are worried about nature, are trying their best to save it, but this will never stop climate change and the destruction of the flora and fauna until world wide measures are taken. They are certainly doing the beginning and their best, for what i say my thanks to them, no question about that, but it has to take a wider scope to be successfull. (f.ex a change in the economic system is needed or in the way of living of us all)

Salome

--Neckel 08:20, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Schantz said ...

James,

While I totally agree with you article, I don't agree with your very conservative number of 100 million homeless and hungry. Unfortunately the numbers are much higher.

Maybe this was a typo error on your part? If not, can you provide a source for this low estimation in my opinion?

I know you mean well, but I think the problem is much worse than what you stated.

Thanks

Schantz

--Schantz 22:45, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Schantz, 100 million was a conservative guess. What is a probably more accurate figure in your opinion for deaths this century due to natural catastrophes? I noticed that the article What is announced comprehensively for the third millennium prophetically and predictively mentions millions will lose their lives but I don't know of any other article which could help me with a more accurate or precise number.

--Jamesm 23:02, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Ufofacts said ...

Blaming one person for the current situation and not oneself is not correct. Think about it the next time you get into your car, go to the toilet, throw your rubbish into the bin, buy new wooden furniture.

All this contributes to the problems. The fact that there is too many humans on this planet is why when ever we do the above mentioned and other things we all contibute to over loading the system.

Jesus, is your mother and father to blame for pro-creating you?

I know persons who did not know about the overpopulation problem before they had children. This is not their fault. We have been told not only by Meier but others for decades now about the overpopulation problem but the powers that be suppress this information.

So if you want to blame someone or you feel it necessary you should blame the persons in possitions of power who through their own stupidity hide the facts. Thus persons do not get the information and get mislead down a dark path.

Salome

--Stephen Moore (User "Ufofacts") 23:40, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

Schantz sorry I'm deluding myself. I mentioned 100 million refugees in the article and it was just a guess. What do you think is more probable?

--Jamesm 23:45, 24 August 2010 (BST)

Jamesm said ...

I think I get confused now and again. Perhaps I need to meditate more!

--Jamesm 23:46, 24 August 2010 (BST)