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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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test<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
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Janet<br />
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. <br />
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Janet <br />
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--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 08:23, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Ufofacts said ... ==<br />
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.<br />
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.<br />
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I have a good female friend who's sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian. They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.<br />
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is. <br />
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us. This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.<br />
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Just my thoughts, views<br />
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &quot;Ufofacts&quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=15640Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2011-05-14T07:02:44Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
<br />
It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
<br />
Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
<br />
The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
<br />
For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
<br />
It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
<br />
One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
<br />
Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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test<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
<br />
1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
<br />
2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
<br />
3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
<br />
I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
<br />
May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
<br />
<br />
Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
<br />
<br />
Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
<br />
Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ? The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
<br />
Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Salome<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
<br />
Janet<br />
<br />
--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=15637Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2011-05-14T06:41:14Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
<br />
"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
<br />
--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
<br />
--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
<br />
Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
<br />
As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
<br />
--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
<br />
It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
<br />
The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
<br />
That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
<br />
Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
<br />
For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
<br />
I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
<br />
The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
<br />
So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
<br />
Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
<br />
Thank you.<br />
<br />
--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
<br />
It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
<br />
Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
<br />
The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
<br />
For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
<br />
The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
<br />
I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
<br />
It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
<br />
One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
<br />
Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
<br />
A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
<br />
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
<br />
I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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test<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
<br />
1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
<br />
2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
<br />
3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
<br />
I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
<br />
May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
<br />
<br />
Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
<br />
<br />
Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
I know that video already longer then you. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
<br />
Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ? The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
<br />
Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Salome<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
<br />
Janet<br />
<br />
--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=15635Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2011-05-14T06:34:54Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
<br />
"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
<br />
--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
<br />
--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
<br />
Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
<br />
As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
<br />
--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
<br />
It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
<br />
The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
<br />
That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
<br />
Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
<br />
For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
<br />
I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
<br />
The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
<br />
So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
<br />
Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
<br />
Thank you.<br />
<br />
--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
<br />
It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
<br />
Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
<br />
The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
<br />
For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
<br />
The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
<br />
I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
<br />
It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
<br />
One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
<br />
Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
<br />
A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
<br />
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
<br />
I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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test<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
<br />
1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
<br />
2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
<br />
3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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<br />
Salome all,<br />
<br />
I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
<br />
May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
<br />
<br />
Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
<br />
<br />
Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
I know that video already longer then you. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
<br />
Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ?<br />
<br />
Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
<br />
Janet<br />
<br />
--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=15634Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2011-05-14T06:15:22Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
<br />
"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
<br />
--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
<br />
--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
<br />
Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
<br />
As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
<br />
--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
<br />
It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
<br />
The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
<br />
That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
<br />
Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
<br />
For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
<br />
I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
<br />
The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
<br />
So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
<br />
Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
<br />
Thank you.<br />
<br />
--AS 21:20, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
<br />
Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
<br />
The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
<br />
For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
<br />
The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
<br />
I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
<br />
It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
<br />
One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
<br />
Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
<br />
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
<br />
A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
<br />
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
<br />
I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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test<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:06, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
<br />
1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
<br />
2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
<br />
3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Neckel said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
<br />
Salome all,<br />
<br />
I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
<br />
May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
<br />
<br />
Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
<br />
<br />
Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Neckel said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hi Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
I know that video already longer then you. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
<br />
Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
<br />
Janet<br />
<br />
--[[User:Moonwalker|Moonwalker]] 07:00, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=15632Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2011-05-14T05:44:45Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
<br />
"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
<br />
--Beau Man 23:28, 24 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
<br />
--Mark 00:00, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== AS said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
<br />
Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
<br />
As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
<br />
--AS 01:10, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hi AS.<br />
<br />
It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
<br />
The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
<br />
Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
-rough translation<br />
<br />
That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
<br />
Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
<br />
For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
<br />
I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Sanjin 19:09, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== AS said ... ==<br />
<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
<br />
The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
<br />
So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
<br />
Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
<br />
Thank you.<br />
<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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I know that video already longer then you. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. With your statement, you encourage those who hate the homosexuals....... are you one of them ?<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Creator_Overlords&diff=15226Talk:Creator Overlords2011-04-22T07:43:22Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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Why didn't the creator overlord soovle their proble with one simple solution and that is to make combat andriods? Hy make genetically-manipulated race to fight for them? Whats so diffrical to make a bunch of andriods that can fight for them?<br />
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UFOGUY did you watch Star Wars and Star Trek. c3P0, r2d2, and DATA were at times unreliable and malfuction could be dangerous. :) There skills in making robots were probably not as advanced as the current Transformers models. :)<br />
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I never liked to watch star trek but I watch star wars. Or heck if the sirians can't make good battle andriods why not make a clone wariors, why make an entire race? heck make biobots like the greys in zeta reticulli.<br />
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Salome,<br />
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In the FIGU forum Billy answers this question:<br />
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"Dear Billy and Christian: <br />
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Thank you for the response, I do understand better now what is positive degeneration and now I can think of many many more examples here on earth. <br />
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If the Lyrian group of people, who lost their capacity to fight, were very advanced in technology I supose, why did they feel the need to create new humans instead of building robots that they could control with a button or a switch. Didn’t they know that creating new humans would involve having a spirit in them, and therefore they themselves could reincarnate in this new “fighters” humans. I can think of more problems coming from this, then my question would be: why the need of creating human life instead of artificial “fighters” machines”? Thank you very much for your time and many greetings to both of you, Salome"<br />
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Answer:<br />
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"Robots, or androids, are more dangerous than genetically manipulated human beings. In a human being there always remains some "good" factors and at leasts remains of a conscience, which is not the case when androids are stepping over a limit and are turning towards eliminating human beings. The Sirians (not Lyrians) were aware of this. <br />
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Btw: While it is a necessary part of progress that robots and androids are and will be created here on Earth, there looms a great danger behind all of this: When robots or androids are capable to think independently, they may start to duplicate themselves and start to eliminate their creators: the human beings."<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:41, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Creator_Overlords&diff=15225Talk:Creator Overlords2011-04-22T07:43:00Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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Why didn't the creator overlord soovle their proble with one simple solution and that is to make combat andriods? Hy make genetically-manipulated race to fight for them? Whats so diffrical to make a bunch of andriods that can fight for them?<br />
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UFOGUY did you watch Star Wars and Star Trek. c3P0, r2d2, and DATA were at times unreliable and malfuction could be dangerous. :) There skills in making robots were probably not as advanced as the current Transformers models. :)<br />
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I never liked to watch star trek but I watch star wars. Or heck if the sirians can't make good battle andriods why not make a clone wariors, why make an entire race? heck make biobots like the greys in zeta reticulli.<br />
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Salome,<br />
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In the FIGU forum Billy answers this question:<br />
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Dear Billy and Christian: <br />
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Thank you for the response, I do understand better now what is positive degeneration and now I can think of many many more examples here on earth. <br />
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"If the Lyrian group of people, who lost their capacity to fight, were very advanced in technology I supose, why did they feel the need to create new humans instead of building robots that they could control with a button or a switch. Didn’t they know that creating new humans would involve having a spirit in them, and therefore they themselves could reincarnate in this new “fighters” humans. I can think of more problems coming from this, then my question would be: why the need of creating human life instead of artificial “fighters” machines”? Thank you very much for your time and many greetings to both of you, Salome"<br />
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Answer:<br />
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"Robots, or androids, are more dangerous than genetically manipulated human beings. In a human being there always remains some "good" factors and at leasts remains of a conscience, which is not the case when androids are stepping over a limit and are turning towards eliminating human beings. The Sirians (not Lyrians) were aware of this. <br />
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Btw: While it is a necessary part of progress that robots and androids are and will be created here on Earth, there looms a great danger behind all of this: When robots or androids are capable to think independently, they may start to duplicate themselves and start to eliminate their creators: the human beings."<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:41, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Creator_Overlords&diff=15223Talk:Creator Overlords2011-04-22T07:41:50Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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Why didn't the creator overlord soovle their proble with one simple solution and that is to make combat andriods? Hy make genetically-manipulated race to fight for them? Whats so diffrical to make a bunch of andriods that can fight for them?<br />
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UFOGUY did you watch Star Wars and Star Trek. c3P0, r2d2, and DATA were at times unreliable and malfuction could be dangerous. :) There skills in making robots were probably not as advanced as the current Transformers models. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 12:13, 21 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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I never liked to watch star trek but I watch star wars. Or heck if the sirians can't make good battle andriods why not make a clone wariors, why make an entire race? heck make biobots like the greys in zeta reticulli.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome,<br />
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In the FIGU forum Billy answers this question:<br />
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Dear Billy and Christian: <br />
<br />
Thank you for the response, I do understand better now what is positive degeneration and now I can think of many many more examples here on earth. <br />
<br />
"If the Lyrian group of people, who lost their capacity to fight, were very advanced in technology I supose, why did they feel the need to create new humans instead of building robots that they could control with a button or a switch. Didn’t they know that creating new humans would involve having a spirit in them, and therefore they themselves could reincarnate in this new “fighters” humans. I can think of more problems coming from this, then my question would be: why the need of creating human life instead of artificial “fighters” machines”?"<br />
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Answer:<br />
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"Robots, or androids, are more dangerous than genetically manipulated human beings. In a human being there always remains some "good" factors and at leasts remains of a conscience, which is not the case when androids are stepping over a limit and are turning towards eliminating human beings. The Sirians (not Lyrians) were aware of this. <br />
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Btw: While it is a necessary part of progress that robots and androids are and will be created here on Earth, there looms a great danger behind all of this: When robots or androids are capable to think independently, they may start to duplicate themselves and start to eliminate their creators: the human beings."<br />
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Thank you very much for your time and many greetings to both of you, Salome <br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:41, 22 April 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Doubt_as_a_Shortcoming&diff=15052Talk:Doubt as a Shortcoming2011-04-09T08:53:34Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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Someone told me last year that mister Billy used the term "clear vision" (Klarsicht) like the French term "clairvoyance", which means extrasensory perception. Is that true? Does mister Billy recommend Earth human life forms to use extrasensory perception to overcome their doubts?<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Klarsicht and the french term "clairvoyance" are two different things. "Klarsicht" has to do with objectivity and seing the things like they are, without being tainted/colored of own beliefs or opinions. For example it is the natural logic that tells oneself that a stone will roll down the hill because of gravity and that it can never roll up the hill by itself.<br />
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"Clairvoyance" is a french term used nowadays to describe the so called "supernatural" like seeing into the future, or seing an aura ect... but also as you correctly say, the extrasensory perception which what you surely mean the 6 and 7 senses.......<br />
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Well the truth is, that we are using the 6 and 7 senses all the time, but at our current state of evolution we cannot control the information coming from them nor are we acknowledging the fact that we have them.... That is why many things are running behind the curtains in a "unbewusste" unconscous or sometimes subconscious manner......<br />
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At the momet we are advised to use the "Klarsicht", and to find back to the natural logic we naturally have as kids but which we loose with the adulthood.....<br />
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Frieden sei mit Dir.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 09:52, 9 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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Someone told me last year that mister Billy used the term "clear vision" (Klarsicht) like the French term "clairvoyance", which means extrasensory perception. Is that true? Does mister Billy recommend Earth human life forms to use extrasensory perception to overcome their doubts?<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Klarsicht and the french term "clairvoyance" are two different things. "Klarsicht" has to do with objectivity and seing the things like they are, without being tainted/colored of own beliefs or opinions. For example it is the natural logic that tells oneself that a stone will roll down the hill because of gravity and that it can never roll up the hill by itself.<br />
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"Clairvoyance" is a french term used nowadays to describe the so called "supernatural" like seeing into the future, or seing an aura ect... but als as you correctly say the extrasensory perception which what you surely mean the 6 and 7 sense.......<br />
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Well the truth is, that we are using the 6 and 7 senses all the time, but at our current state of evolution we cannot control the information coming from them nor are we acknowledging the fact that we have them.... That is why many things are running behind the curtains in a "unbewusste" unconscous or sometimes subconscious manner......<br />
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At the momet we are advised to use the "Klarsicht", and to find back to the natural logic we naturally have as kids but which we loose with the adulthood.....<br />
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Frieden sei mit Dir.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 09:52, 9 April 2011 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Thoughts_about_belief,_the_truth,_and_proving_the_authenticity_of_the_Meier_case&diff=14939Thoughts about belief, the truth, and proving the authenticity of the Meier case2011-03-30T07:58:55Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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If one is confronted by the UFO case of Billy <Eduard Albert Meier>, regularly one hears the following: "Did you experience the same as Billy? If not you are forced to 'believe' what he is saying." To go more into detail lets try to focus on "Believing" and "Belief". In the dictionary and on Wikipedia the following is stated:<br />
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"Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.<ref>Schwitzgebel, Eric (2006), "Belief", in Zalta, Edward, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford, CA: The Metaphysics Research Lab, http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/, retrieved 2008-09-19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief</ref> The concept of belief presumes a subject (the believer) and an object of belief (the proposition)." To believe thus means to hold a "proposition" or a "premise" to be true and to be thus reality. If we look at the "premise" we see that it is then based upon a "basic claim" which accepts or rejects other claims. Does this not sound familiar, if we look at the fights which happen between the different religions ? It is not so much about the reality, but more about what had been said hundreds or thousands of years ago. So instead of fighting each other, all the religions could actually find a conscensus based on reason, and live peacefully together. The hate, build up on the fervency of some religious practicioners is certainly not intended, nor wished, by Creation and will always be a reason why so many persons decide to not follow a religion anymore. Also in daily life, a simple claim can lead very fast to "belief". For example it would be easy to create a new sect based on any kind of claim. For example if someone claims: "I am enlightened and had contacts with light beings." This claim would be enough to become a premise for other claims, which would lead inevitably to a construct of surreal and unreal new claims and thoughts, which would become a belief to fellow human beings with the time, who are susceptible to this, or searching for the truth/reality, and cannot find the initial premise back anymore, which was based upon illusion or other negative factors.<br />
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However "belief" has the most often a bigger subjective note then an objective one and thus withdraws and alienates itself more and more from the truth/reality, because the own views fuelled by own experiences and other factors like egoism, "I am right"-ism etc., tend to overwrite and superimpose reality, instead of developing itself around it. There is a big discrepency between "knowledge" and "belief" which is stated in Wikipedia as the following: "In a notion derived from Plato's dialogue Theaetetus, philosophy has traditionally defined knowledge as "justified true belief". The relationship between belief and knowledge is that a belief is knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (reasonable and necessarily plausible assertions/evidence/guidance) for believing it is true." Those of you who are aquainted to science, or who are even scientists like me, see that... right? Here we are approaching the philosophical theorems of a "Thesis". First a scientist has to postulate a thesis or a theory and then he has to verify it through experiments if it is true or not, or in other words, if it corresponds to the truth or reality or not and has finally to be rejected, or accepted as reality.<br />
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It was this approach which enabled me and convinced me of the authenticity of the "Meier case". I never saw the metal alloys, nor did I ever see a real Plejaren person. However, based on the information in the contact reports, the persons I met in Schmidrüti and its surroundings convinced me of it's reality. Also, I had the pleasure of meeting Billy personally and I could not see anything suspicious or strange with him. During my travels around the world, I already saw many different persons - good ones and bad ones - and can recall some experiences concerning fraud and treason etc. This was however not the case with Billy.<br />
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If we only take the contact reports, we can see that there is enormous information inside about biology, chemistry, physics, geology, climatology, ecology in general and medicine, that only persons or even only scientists of these fields know and which were and still are not accessible to the majority of human beings. Here we are talking about things that were defined as theories first and then verified to be true by scientists. However, to proof oneself the truth of the contact notes, one needs to investigate a few and have the will to get to the bottom of them. It is as if the Plejaren would encourage us all to become scientists, like when we were kids.<ref>Deborah H (2006), Scientists show that children think like scientists, MIT news, http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/children.html</ref> This compassion (or enthusiasm), to really know and understand things become lost with age for many of us, as we are too caught up in our daily duties and routine. With this comes the fact that many of us are overburdened with worries and constraints. As it was already discussed above that a thesis can be rejected, here also the plausible deniability comes into play, which has been smartly explained by the Plejaren. This plausible deniability and rejection of the case as truth/reality is most often done when not all pieces of the puzzle are put together and thus the "Thesis" of its reality can be denied and rejected. In my opinion this idea is brilliant, as it really only permits those, who are really interested in the case and who have thought many thoughts about it and connected the dots, to recognize it's truth/reality. It is also brilliant because it is based on the own will and own tenacity of every person, to look into the material. It is the complete opposite of missionizing where persons come up to one and say: "You have to believe it, my religion is the true religion." or: "You are false, you are wrong, my opinion and my religion is the correct one, that is why you have also to rally to this belief". This plausible deniability has the simple function of motivating persons to think harder and to go more and more into detail. <br />
<br />
This is not the only thing. Billy's books are also full of knowledge concerning the inner self of human beings, how it works and how to best use these tools to lead a good and harmonious life. To me also his books showed to be true and hold lots of interesting thoughts and advices. An advice is no dictatorial rule which must be fulfilled. An advice, is a recommendation to someone based on one's own experience, common sense and thoughts. It is up to the receiver of the advice to decide if she/he wants to accept or decline the recommendation. It is up to everyone to try it out and verify it's truthfulness and the reality of the immaterial world. If I could give any advice to someone, I would give them advice to become a scientist again.<br />
<br />
Many Thanks for your attention and Salome<br />
<br />
''Weis, Nicolas''<br />
<br />
''27.2.2011''<br />
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''Edited by James Moore, 27th February 2011''<br />
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* E-mail sent by author to James Moore</div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Thoughts_about_belief,_the_truth,_and_proving_the_authenticity_of_the_Meier_case&diff=14620Thoughts about belief, the truth, and proving the authenticity of the Meier case2011-02-27T20:57:25Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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If one is confronted by the UFO case of Billy <Eduard Albert Meier>, regularly one hears the following: "Did you experience the same as Billy? If not you are forced to 'believe' what he is saying." To go more into detail lets try to focus on "Believing" and "Belief". In the dictionary and on Wikipedia the following is stated:<br />
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"Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.<ref>Schwitzgebel, Eric (2006), "Belief", in Zalta, Edward, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford, CA: The Metaphysics Research Lab, http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/, retrieved 2008-09-19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief</ref> The concept of belief presumes a subject (the believer) and an object of belief (the proposition)." To believe thus means to hold a "proposition" or a "premise" to be true and to be thus reality. If we look at the "premise" we see that it is then based upon a " basic claim" which accepts or rejects other claims. Does this not sound familiar, if we look at the fights which happen between the different religions? It is not so much about the reality, but more about what had been said hundreds or thousands of years ago. Also in daily life, a simple claim can lead very fast to "belief". For example it would be easy to create a new sect based on any kind of claim. For example if someone claims: "I am enlightened and had contacts with light beings." This claim would be enough to become a premise for other claims, which would lead inevitably to a construct of surreal and unreal new claims and thoughts, which would become a belief to fellow human beings with the time, who are susceptible to this, or searching for the truth/reality, and cannot find the initial premise back anymore, which was based upon illusion or other negative factors.<br />
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However "belief" has the most often a bigger subjective note then an objective one and thus withdraws and alienates itself more and more from the truth/reality, because the own views fuelled by own experiences and other factors like egoism, "I am right"-ism etc., tend to overwrite and superimpose reality, instead of developing itself around it. There is a big discrepency between "knowledge" and "belief" which is stated in Wikipedia as the following: "In a notion derived from Plato's dialogue Theaetetus, philosophy has traditionally defined knowledge as "justified true belief". The relationship between belief and knowledge is that a belief is knowledge if the belief is true, and if the believer has a justification (reasonable and necessarily plausible assertions/evidence/guidance) for believing it is true." Those of you who are aquainted to science, or who are even scientists like me, see that right? Here we are approaching the philosophical theorems of a "Thesis". First a scientist has to postulate a thesis or a theory and then he has to verify it through experiments if it is true or not, or in other words, if it corresponds to the truth or reality or not and has finally to be rejected, or accepted as reality.<br />
<br />
It was this approach which enabled me and convinced me of the authenticity of the "Meier case". I never saw the metal alloys, nor did I ever see a real Plejaren person. However based on the information in the contact reports, the persons I met in Schmidrüti and its surroundings, convinced me of it's reallity. Also I had the pleasure of meeting Billy personally and I could not see anything suspicious or strange with him. During my travels around the world, I already saw many different persons, good ones and bad ones and can recall some experiences concerning fraud and treason etc. This was however not the case with Billy.<br />
<br />
If we only take the contact reports, we can see that there is enormous information inside about biology, chemistry, physics, geology, climatology, ecology in general and medicine, that only persons or even only scientists of these fields know and which were and still are not accessible to the majority of human beings. Here we are talking about things that were defined as theories first and then verified to be true by scientists. However to proof oneself the truth of the contact notes, one needs investigatory fewer and the will to go to the bottom of it. It is like the Plejaren would encourage us all to become scientists, like we have already been as kids.<ref>Deborah H (2006), Scientists show that children think like scientists, MIT news, http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/children.html</ref> This compassion, to really know and understand things got lost with the age by many, as they are too caught up in their daily duties and routine. To this comes the fact that many are overburdened with worries and constraints.As it was already discussed above that a thesis can be rejected, here also the plausible deniability comes into play, which has been smartly planed by the Plejaren. This plausible deniability and rejection of the case as truth/reality is most often done when not all pieces of the puzzle are put together and thus the "Thesis" of its reality can be denied and rejected. In my opinion this idea is brilliant, as it really only permits those, who are really interested in the case and thought many thoughts about it and connected the dots, to recognize its truth/reality. It is also brilliant because it is based on the own will and own tenacity of every person, to look into the material. It is the complete opposite of missionizing where persons come to one and say: "You have to believe it, my religion is the true religion." Or: "You are false, you are wrong, my opinion and my religion is the correct one, that is why you have also to rally to this belief". <br />
This plausible deniability has the simple fuction of motivating persons to think harder and to go more and more into detail. This is not the only thing. Also Billy's books are full of knowledge concerning the inner self of human beings, how it works and how to best use these tools to lead a good and harmonious life. To me also his books showed to be true and hold lots of interesting thoughts and advices. An advice is no dictatorial rule which must be fullfilled. An advice, is a recommendation to someone based on own experience, common sense and thoughts. It is up to the reciever of the advice to decide if she/he wants to accept or decline the recommendation. It is up to everyone to try them out and verify it's truthfullness and the reality of the immaterial world. If i could give an advice to someone, i would give the advice to become a scientist again.<br />
<br />
<br />
Many Thanks for your attention and Salome<br />
<br />
<br />
Weis Nicolas<br />
<br />
27.2.2011<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Billy, can you give us any information in regards to Jmmanuel's sons/daughters? We know that his son placed the scrolls in the hillside for Billy to find but I haven't come across any other notes on this as yet. Do you think the Catholic Church would also have this information since they know the real truth (but will never tell us)? - Cat<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I'm not sure Billy visits and replies on this site because he is on a mission to save Earth.:) I highly doubt he would give the info on his sons and daughters don't you think that corrupt folks would think up some dastardly deeds. If you want to keep at it however visit steelmark I believe it is where Billy frequents according to some on this forum.<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Derrick said ... ==<br />
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On one of the contact notes it was explained that there are only a few real channellers that are authentic on this planet. Who were they and what were there names? I used to fallow the so called teachings of Ramtha. I nolonger fallow them since I found the teachings of creation. If Billy ever does view this...Thank you Billy.... If anyone can help with my question for my records, It would be a great help. I'm surounded by Ramtha fallowers...lol salome Derrick<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Ramtha is probably man-made lies like all channelling claims, see [[FIGU_Bulletin_008#CHAIN_LETTER]] and [[Contact Report 424]].<br />
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== Derrick said ... ==<br />
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Jamesm,<br />
I appreciate your being frank...I know what you said is the truth. I want to be one of those people that fracture the belief systems of the people that fallow all of these liars out there. Another part of me thinks it's an absolute waist of time to even put any energy into it. The reason why I'm asking also is to find a way to slowly deliver the truth to my son with whom is surounded by this ramtha crap that "I" myself brought him into. What do I tell him? I've allready told him that ramtha was a bunch of B.S. and I have been being an example to some degree as to how he can question EVERYTHING! and creational laws etc. I have been reading some of your texts and I really get allot out of them. Your very knowledgable. Thanks Derrick Salome... <br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Derrick but I'm honestly not very knowledgeable in many matters. I can only remember a small amount of the content of this website and havent read any of the books available in only German yet. If you have a computer-related question then I can probably help! I'm not sure what you should do to help your son. Perhaps, if you deem it a serious enough matter then you should write to Billy Meier and explain the situation. I'm positive that he would respond. Not that I've written to him before, but I've read that he does respond to letters. He is also the guy who wrote most of the content for this website, not I. And he is, after all, the oldest spirit form on the planet! If you would not like to do this then I would personally let your son find his own path unless he explicitly requested your advice/help. Then give him some material to read. Forcing any info onto him might be considered proselytizing, which is wrong, of course. Billy never responds on this website nor do I know whether he reads any of it.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Derrick,<br />
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There is no shame in admitting to your son that you did a mistake with Ramtha..... Everyone is mislead nowadays...... He will understand, even it might take some time, honesty is the most important as it is a barometer of love to some persons also, and in the material life noone is excempt of doing mistakes and going wrong ways here and there.... It is up to you, you know your son best. It lies in your responsibility to bring the truth close to your son without destroying his psysche......<br />
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James is right with what he says, your son is a person with a own will, he has to decide f he wants to accept the truth or not. Do not force anything on him. Mention the truth without forcing and await his questions. You can always ask Billy if you wish, but put your real name and real address on the letter or fax, or else your letter will be burned, not putting it, is considered as cowardice....or are you afraid that someone from the stars checks you out ;)<br />
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</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:What_is_really_going_to_happen_in_the_year_2012%3F&diff=14188Talk:What is really going to happen in the year 2012?2011-01-24T10:17:12Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== robert said ... ==<br />
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well i am hope this not giong to happening on years of 12-21-21 well never giong to happening at all . that also false i am hope we will see sochi 2014 and barzil summer 2016 games this is not giong to happening <br />
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== john said ... ==<br />
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It is unfortunate that many well meaning people do not realize how there negativity are affecting the world as they are adding to the problem not solving it by allowing fear to run there lives and they try to prove there feelings by trying to convince there friends of this as truth. We have alot to learn!!<br />
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== zameen said ... ==<br />
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i find it more possible of the mock space invasion than anything else.<br />
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== Psonnenh said ... ==<br />
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I understand pleiadians can't disclosure the future, in order to no afect our living experience in earth,. But why only expose global warming (details), making us feel bad (and we should), but if the "may" events, (Solar waves, polar shifting, and black colousal efects) is not in our hands to avoid their destruction power. I mean , anyway big life loses will happen with or without global warming.<br />
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== North Shore Hawaii said ... ==<br />
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Ok, if the pleiadians are definitely in contact with our government and with high-ranking officials, why not discuss between themselves all of this important information? Why not get the people involved that can actually create a change immediately, rather than a bunch of people on here? If ETs are seriously communicating with our government, I am positive they are relaying this information to our gov. And if they are, our gov. is planning as we speak on how to break it to us, and how to plan for this event. If this is all true (it sounds true), then we (who are reading on here) are more aware than most others. Spread the word, and try to evoke some environmental change in your area. We can't save the world in 2 years, but I can feel better about a catastrophe if I wasn't blatantly wasting energy, resources, and product all along the way. Good luck to you all. I sure hope the pleiadians that are thousands of years more advanced than we are, are intelligent enough to help us avoid the destruction of our planet (or OUR planet, since they seem to be sharing it with us). It would be quite silly for them to say, "This is going to happen in 2 years... its going to be pretty ugly... don't tell the simple Earthlings any more!" And them just die along with us when the world goes to hell in 2012 because of solar flares and the ozone getting messed up. I mean seriously... What is the point in contacting humans and collaborating with our government, if you aren't going to HELP... you're just going to forecast... I sure hope it works out. I wouldn't mind living alongside a new race, an intelligent and nurturing race that delights in our learning and evolving. That would make me feel like I was actually born for something! <br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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north shore Hawaii: the entire paragraph you wrote contains misdirected and has nothing to do with the reality that we are faced with. the plejaran are not here(they left this planet in 95' after their mission was completed. they do however still see billy as per the contacts etc. but in regards to the apocalyptic and sad events that you are hinting towards, you should try to look more closely to the info provided here. it is sure to help you reach a less negative understanding and perhaps some insights to what we must do as humans. as far as living side by side with another race, not going to happen. our vibrations are so different that it equates to them living in sickness if they were to reside here with us. why would they do that when they have a home world that has enjoyed 50,000+ yrs. of spiritual and technological symmetry?<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I hope we still get to see one more xmas in 2012. Although according from what I've read Emmanuel's B-day is in February. My conclusion 2 Xmas's per year. :)Thanks Pleiadians. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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As Mark quoted, "enjoy your next two Xmas" before 2010, but most importantly as Zameen mentioned, learn as much as you can from this site and others. Because the intensity of the expected solar flaring may be so great, that internet and other forms of communications maybe disrupted so much, one may not be able to log into their computers anymore until the crisis passes!<br />
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Probably the most reliable source of communications under these conditions will be the tried and proven analog HF/UHF radio.<br />
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But, then again, an opportunist could take advantage of these dire circumstances and "propose" a compromise between the degenerative Earth governments and a more advanced civilization that has the technology to protect the Earth. Get rid of religions, nuclear weapons, and other evils, follow Billy's teachings and you'll be covered, deviate from this and we'll remove the technology! Seems like mankind only becomes reasonably logical, is when he faces a terrible dilemma, a rather barbaric method of thinking and learning?<br />
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But this will never happen, since "free will" is not the primary concern at the moment or should it be?<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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That would be nice Hawaiian, but I'm sure Earth has been pampered enough already. I'm sure forces beyond our understanding and capabilities has helped us an uncountable amount of times. I don't know how many bailout plans the universe can hand out unless man of earth can grow and mature. I do see a change in man but still the battle continues within. If we just think with the suggested "Cause and Effect" before making decisions then all would be much better now. <br />
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== North Shore Hawaii said ... ==<br />
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Ok, I feel like you all believe what is on this site and elsewhere, and all agree that the world is going to drastically change after 12-21-12. If everyone knows this to be true, what are we doing about it? We are not going to reverse, or even stop, global warming in 2.5 years, so what's the next solution? What can average people like myself do to prepare for this? Are the die-hard believers gathering together and all relocating somewhere and pooling their resources together, and also living the way Billy Meier and the Plejaren have said we should? Starting a society that does as we were all told by the Plejaren is probably the best idea, right? Then as more people realize the err of their ways, they might start opening their minds and even join said society - which is ultimately what needs to happen for mankind to redeem himself... we all need to live the way we are supposed to before we can evolve and even become a working part of the universe(s). I am still working my way through this site - it is huge - but I would like some insight on some of these questions. Thanks everyone!<br />
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--North Shore Hawaii 21:37, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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North Shore Hawaii - The least you can do is to try and live according to the laws and recommendations of Creation. Those around you will see this in you and will likewise start to turn towards living a life of being truly human. And then it becomes a chain reaction of positive changes which will contribute to the transformation of society into that better society envisaged by the Plejaren and Billy. We will have to endure some severe repercussions from nature in the near future and other problems caused by the massive overpopulation now and later but the long term future holds great things in store for us, which you and I will experience (read contact 251 for example). For 2012 I plan to store as much non-perishable food and other supplies in my rented accommodation as possible. There is not much else we can do. Don't worry about dying, you'll live through it (i.e. you'll reincarnate).<br />
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== North Shore Hawaii said ... ==<br />
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Ok, so we are supposed to gather food and water, sit in our homes, and wait to reincarnate? Ok, so if we are all going to die in 2012 and reincarnate some 300 years later, what's the point of educating people on how to live, if we're all dying in 2 years anyway??? What's the point in changing our lifestyle and way of thinking, if it's only going to end in 2 years? I guess I'm just not grasping the whole reasoning behind all this... I could understand trying to educate people because we have a chance in saving ourselves, or because we all have centuries to reform our thought processes...But it all just seems pretty... sewed shut. I dunno. <br />
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Dear North Shore Hawai,<br />
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The world will not end in 2012 and we will not all die in 2012 ! :) Also Billy repeatedly says it. Our planet will end in a few million years when our sun will die. - By the way, one can die anytime, before 2012, 2012, or after 2012 :-/.......<br />
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Cosmic influences are present all the time and influence our climat, plate tectonics ect...... right at the moment, only that we have not the time or not the interest in seeing the signs that already happen today in 2010 or that happened already before.<br />
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Me for my part i will maybe have only some candles and some food and water for one or three months, nothing more, in the case that the electricity will fail.<br />
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Honestly: I am more concerned after 2012 and about the overpopulation. Earth humans (we) will be the ones that will decide if we want to destroy the planet or not....<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 11:14, 8 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== sanjin said ... ==<br />
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NASA just confirmed the enormous solar storm which is threatening Earth:<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Thank you Nasa. I think the governments should simulate possible loss of many electronic devices and devise a plan to keep the most necessary and vital to day to day needs that people will struggle without such as the supermarkets having stocks of food and backup generators or buying foods that last a long time without refrigeration. There will probably be an emergency broadcast which should set people's minds at ease filled with simple tips to maintain daily life functions. I hope people keep there composure and refrain from riots or theft. Double the defenses. <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I have a great idea. I remember reading about the Plejaren ships capability to capture and deflect energy that it receives THUS I have come up with the invite the entire fleet to block off the sun at the exact date and time of solar storm occurance deflecting right back THUS saving us a whole lot of drama. :) How many ships do the Plejaren have, you think they can cover that big sun and cause an eclipse. j/k<br />
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I just want to know why the pleiadians are saying nothing about the death of Tutankamon(king pharaoh of Egypt).<br />
What did really cause the death of Tutankamon ??..<br />
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== DRN said ... ==<br />
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2 Direct quotes from billy 1. "Good; what you did explain to me regarding the year 2012, I don’t want to treat as a prophecy or prediction, but as a possibility and a minor probability. I want to begin with a question that was posed to me." 2. "The Earth will fall victim to a very strong bombardment of hard radiation, which may have a very negative effect on the Earth’s ozone layer." My question, Why is in the second does it say "will" and not "may?" <br />
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2 Direct quotes from billy 1. "Good; what you did explain to me regarding the year 2012, I don’t want to treat as a prophecy or prediction, but as a possibility and a minor probability. I want to begin with a question that was posed to me." 2. "The Earth will fall victim to a very strong bombardment of hard radiation, which may have a very negative effect on the Earth’s ozone layer." My question, Why is in the second does it say "will" and not "may?" <br />
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billy was asking if u can put your book out in english also because i wolud love to read them i can't read german<br />
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== Janine said ... ==<br />
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The bottom line is...quiet your mind, open your heart, get ready for impending natural disasters. Pray for GRACE.<br />
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I think praying for something might not get the job done, my mother is doing the same at the church but if disaster comes best to prepare than waste time praying to all the gods and statues and hope they miraculously come to life and save our hides. My mother is a tough nut to crack but I will ease her in slowly into the teachings of Creation. <br />
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Excellent, found a mistake on the english side near the end though, on the line "And the that more people are directing themselves onto something certain with their forces of thought, onto something that could or should turn out" I think the second and third words should be switched. Have a good day and thank you for all your efforts in sharing this information.<br />
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Thanks Diggy<br />
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Early on I posted a comment about a mock space invasion that I was pretty sure I had read about in a contact report. But I came across some videos on you tube about something called "project bluebeam". Basically it describes how the governments of the world will plan a hologram-based ufo invasion that will bring a new religion to earth by showing holograms in the sky of all the different gods somehow melding into each other and ultimately forming one god. simultaneously, they will have the ability to pump audio into our minds supporting this event and even beaming in holographs of beasts of some kind in our homes. I just cant see how this will change some peoples minds. certain sects are so hard lined about what they believe that I dont see how this could even bother them. they also have youtube videos that are purportedly of some of the holograms in question. one is a giant cross in the daytime(doesnt look that convincing to me)this is all supposed to happen some time around 2012. if i took a swing at a monster in my house and the baseball bat goes right through it, and the monster doesnt hurt me, then it'd just be over right there right? i pose that question like that in reference to the "believability" of all this. seems like more silly conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo, but I just wanted to see if anyone here has heard of, or seen this on youtube. Thanks SALOME!<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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According to [[contact report 150]] an asteroid/meteorite will threaten the Earth possibly in 2014:<br />
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''9792.5 B.C. – 575.5 orbital period years [of the Destroyer planet]''<br />
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''Special Event: Destroyer rips 7 large asteroids from the Asteroid Belt casting them into various dangerous orbits and which, in coming times, will endanger the earth. One of them probably in (the year) 2014.''<br />
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== Tyler said ... ==<br />
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I would really like to know the exact location and exact dates of where the catastrophies occur. Obviously through what I have read here on this site specifically and what I have read of Billy's contact reports on other sites and through what I have learned in the sciences field, I can make educated guesses... I'm not trying to add to the thought provoking fulfilment of prophesy. But as I have read, We have passed the threshold anyway so now the events are inevitable. Would it be possible for Billy to contact me personally through e-mail or publicly on this site to fill me in on more information. I completely believe everything he has said in his contact reports and cannot stop reading and investigating everything I have read on this site. I am not a skeptic, just passionately interested in his mission and all the knowledge and wisdom he openly shares.<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Tyler, Billy will not tell anyone the exact dates as far as I know. It is forbidden to him for our benefit, not his.<br />
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Salome Tyler,<br />
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Some occurences what concerns the climate and man made induced "natural catastrophes" have become inevitable, but not the possibility to still weaken them if we now act accordingly to the Plejaren's and Billy's warnings......<br />
To tell dates, has more negative effects then good ones..... F.Ex: If he would tell us the date when a big mud slide would happen, we would not learn anything as we would just make the persons leave their houses at that date and evacuate them. The mud slide would happen and everyone would continue living like before. This does not happen if no dates are made public..... then one constantly thinks on how preventing the occurence...... in advance :). This has not only the good effect that one stops only thinking for oneself, but for many others too as one does not know when and where.......... the occurence will happen.<br />
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Because all the warnings and prophecies did not bear fruit with earth humans, the Plejaren and Billy also, stopped to calculate prophecies...... Details are therefore not available anymore of the things going to happen (Where and when).......<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 10:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Interesting stuff, if I would add another capability if possible in the future extended human RAM memory so the same mistakes made long ago don't keep repeating like a broken record during future life incarnations.:) All these wonderous abilities are good if clumsy baffoons are not using it for irrational purposes. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 02:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)The problem with RAM memory is that for every incarnation of a spirit there is a new personality without any memory of former life cycles. Thus this new personality (for its own good) is kept away from its personalities of former life cycles. Until the psyche is strong enough (as in Billy's case), it can access former experiences/knowledge via its Subconscious without damage (multiple personality disorder or bipolar)<br />
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However, you have a point of former malevolent beings having the same negative personalities emerging again in reincarnations that brings problems not just for themselves, but others as well. (reference to one person who shot at Billy was in former times the same incarnated spirit that also persecuted Jmmanuel 2000 years ago).<br />
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Thus, we have an uncreational event that repeats itself, because it is not currently being balanced by forces that are capable of doing so and it affects the evolution of others as well. Therefore a new more creative method is required that gives the current personality the necessary experiences/knowledge it needs to differentiate between right/wrong and through its free will, hopefully decide for the good of itself and others as well. Apparently the spirit has not learned to balance itself through the creational incarnation process and continues down its path of destruction not only of itself but others as well including the innocent. Maybe the only option for these malevolent ones are removal to a desolate planet where they can destroy themselves or be subjected to experimentation in resolving such disorders?<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] <br />
I guess you could say we are on that planet right now with the 144,000 Creator Overlord strong criminal all star team.:) Every generation has it's warlord. They just have to be tamed in order to lessen there capability for mass destruction. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)The 144,228 malevolent “sons and daughters” of heavens that enslaved Earth humans and subjected the insane religious teachings were a much later generation, not the Creator Overlords themselves, but some were certainly from the counterparts that fled to this SOL system.<br />
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An interesting comment by Billy regarding these people is in the last paragraph of the following listed below. It appears that those wishing to make amends are part of the inner core group obligated to the mission as well as to themselves for pass injustices.<br />
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Now, if one considers the “other” side of the equation, the Cause and Effect of Earth “victims”, whose spiritual evolution were severely damaged because of these “sons and daughters of heaven, why are they not also included in the inner core? Is it because they are too degenerated in evolution in spite of the fact another more advanced race imposed themselves upon Earth humans?<br />
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Then of course you have the Creator Overlords themselves “contributing” more degenerated inputs like diseases and shorten life spans known as “programmed suicides” and other negative influences that made sure these humans remain at the “end of the bus”.<br />
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So in the end, is it a fair deal to have everyone now start at square one and expect all to arrive at the same level considering that some are crippled but need to complete the marathon race even if they cannot run?<br />
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If I were the judge, I would stop incarnations for those responsible (as Nokodemjion did) unless they endeavor to fix the wrongs done immediately to those that deserve it and discipline those that continue enslavements. Otherwise keep them in the ether state until the oppressed have evolved to their level of evolution so that both can now begin the evolution process on equal footing. If it takes several thousands of years, then be it.<br />
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Contact Note 228<br />
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Yes, it concerns very far distant descendents; and it is not just a few who belong to this lineage.<br />
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Question: From that I take it that, with the so-called punishment incarnations into which each core group member would be arranged - who are, according to the determination, in the core group - it has nothing to do with punishment incarnations, because for me, according to the spirit teachings, that would make no sense<br />
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Rather, I see it that these people - as they recognized that they, as the bearers of the mission and duty, had become unfaithful to their obligation - sought a path to more firmly anchor the mission, and the therewith connected duty, to themselves.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I don't care about the German text. The English text provided by Vivienne Legg, Dyson Devine, and Vibka Wallder, contains many interesting informations from Billy which could be useful for me in the future. I thank them all.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"The fact is that the human being's personality and entire body uninterruptedly transmit feinstofflich-electromagnetic vibrations, or, signals, which are perceived by other human beings, unfortunately, as a rule, however, only unconsciously, because the human being has turned himself towards the atrophying of his pineal gland as a result of the change of direction of his inner world towards a purely rational intellect. "<br />
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No matter how small someone's pineal gland is, it still runs its function as a sender and a receiver of ultra fine electromagentic vibrations. Could we say then that living humans are uninterruptedly communicating telepathically, but they don't take notice of it?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Rest assured that through proper meditation one can actually communicate with other material Beings, especially those on Earth without they becoming aware you are doing so, because they are not aware of their own potentials, being less evolved than how they should be!<br />
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The penal gland, like any part of your material body, needs exercise and the freedom to develop.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Thank you Vivienne, Dyson and Vibka for this translation. It sure clears up a lot of things that I didn't understand. For example why I felt a pain at the base of my brain at the moment when my mom passed away. The knowing before arriving at the hospital that she was already gone. She had always been able to feel my pain, but that was the first (and last) time I got to feel hers.<br />
So thank you very much for that.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Mahalo for sharing, Sheila, quite an experience even though it is sad in a way? Just imagine if our awareness was at a level where we can experience such energies without expiring? This world would be a whole different place indeed.<br />
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In an analytical approach, it makes logical sense that at the moment all the 5 physical senses including the 6th are no longer present just before one dies (unfortunately) all memories, experiences, emotions are released into the memory banks within 3 seconds that travel 900,000 kilometers for material Beings and much longer distance for more evolved Beings that have mastered the 7 sense in spiritual telepathy.<br />
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That being the case, would it not be logical to think that in a sense, meditation (to a lesser degree), enables an individual to be “immersed” in a similar “environment” so to speak that also gives her/him the necessary means to communicate at a much higher level? Yes I would think so<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 14:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well?<br />
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And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" throughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The joke's on you Hawaiian. :)<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 02:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Wish him well, Sanjin. He needs that.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Apparently both Alive and Sanjin have no idea of the importance of understanding the complexity between the connections amongst FIGU Special Bulletin 38, Fluidal energy, the 6th and 7th senses to include remote sensing and control of dreams. The authors of this material also refers to some degree that the Conscious is similar to electrical-motive force known as “voltage” or pressure that move electrons (feinstofflich), which I also coined in previous forums. Electrical-magnetic “radiations” of both the coarse/fine energies are produced by humans and can be measured by the Plejarens to gauge the spiritual evolution of others.<br />
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But there is another factor to consider which the article only briefly scratches the surface to imply the capacitance or stored fine/super-fine energies that are linked through the so-called “silver thread” that each and every human being has, but most are not aware of.<br />
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You think that it is a joke to poke fun on something that should be taken seriously and don't realize that your comments or lack of intellect is being analyzed by both Earthly and non-Earthly sources, which amounts to nothing less than childish behaviors not worth analyzing in the first place? Where is your “devotion” to your spirit in your current personality, the joke is really on you and not me unfortunately, I don’t see any counter-arguments nor any supportive ones…just static….?<br />
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What comments did any of you produced that indicate you actually know something to add that is worthwhile on this topic or rather, what experience do you actually have that can verify this is so? Until you can produce such evidence, then maybe it's better to zip it and observe with the proper mindset devoid of some stupid ego, then maybe you'll learn something?<br />
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BTW, Sanjin, have you learned anything since I sent you an excellent posting from another person regarding the ills of homosexual behaviors? Nothing came of it, thus one can assume that you agree on it or otherwise?<br />
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I was going to include proven methods of improving one’s 6th and 7th senses, but based on the responses on this forum, decided not to waste my time on those not receptive to concepts that appear beyond their comprehension or more accurately beyond their self-controlled ego.<br />
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There is a reason why I posted comments, which in due time will become relevant once all the pieces are put together. Sometimes it’s best to reserve any reaction for the time being until it is better understood in the future.<br />
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So far on this site there are only three individuals who display some insights to higher evolutionary development potentials.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how about we go back to the basics and pay attention that "7. one smiles at the humour of the various life situations and neither they nor any jokes or attacks are taken deadly serious. "<br />
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation<br />
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BTW, you spelled pineal as penal, which is something completely different. :-)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian, I am interested in your proven methods of developing the 6th and 7th senses.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I see allot of mistakes done in translations, posting and the like, yet in my case, misspellings are singled out and "redirected" to suit another's agenda simply because they can't find a way to either disprove or add to the discussion in spite of the current topic being discussed are well known to the prospective audience. We were and still on the topic of pineal gland, the gateway to one’s 6 & 7th senses along with a whole slew of connections that has the potential to nullify space/time.<br />
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It would have been so easy just to make the notation that there was a misspelled word, instead of “promoting” your own disgruntled childish behavior to personally attack the moderator who is also human and learning at the same time. This is not the first time and the way it looks, probably not the last time either. It’s just an unnecessary nuisance, like dealing with some cry baby while giving a lecture to a professional audience, wasted energy.<br />
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Now, I have to do the same to that other immature personality named Markvd on the Spiritual topic where he made irrelevalent comments about myself which are completely false…again time and energy wasted. How can there be any progressive movement when these so called “enlightened ones” on this forum behave in such a manner? You should all be ashamed and act accordingly because each and every human represents millions of years of evolution and when speaking or communicating with each, you also communicate at a finer level to ALL of their previous personalities as well.<br />
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That being said, I find it unnecessary to expand more in this forum and will conclude my last assessment on the Spiritual topic, because I have fulfilled my mission and will not expend any more wasted energy on others that do not have the discipline to logically extrapolate the “connections” being presented by BEAM’s material. Besides it will be too dangerous to give a child a loaded gun when they cannot display the proper discipline to logically control such power in order to maintain balance amongst the positive and negative attributes that encompass this universe that starts with one’s mindset<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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It’s not exactly “my proven” proven methods, but a combination of others and personal experiences “proven” in the non-material realms of the dream state. It is available for everyone who makes the concerted effort in doing so.<br />
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Since you asked, sure I’ll show you ways to improve your 6th and 7th senses. But to avoid dealing with these “nuisances” I would prefer to communicate this privately and not on this forum. However, you should be aware that your psyche should first be strengthened in order to deal with events both material and non-material once your abilities improve.<br />
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Many of these episodes will occur in the dream state and you will find that it will also effect the material waking world as well. You’ll have control over these dreams and need to discipline your personality to prevent abuses as often there will be events that severely test your resolve in maintaining balance between the positive/negative influences occurring during your waking life that also “bleed over” into the dream realms.<br />
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For instance, I managed to “arrange” a meeting with Albert Einstein in a discussion on his theory for exceeding the speed of light. It is your Conscious that needs to “obtain” the necessary input in order to develop the required “voltage” or pressure to trigger this event (via the Subconscious). Anyways, to make things short, Dr. Einstein wrote out the entire formula on the blackboard and started getting annoyed because I was trying to remember the mathematical formulas instead to listening to his personal comments. (My error this time).<br />
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There will be times events happen without your input and these I have not quite gotten a handle on yet, for in this realm is not quite understood well unless you ask that directly to Billy himself.<br />
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There can also be some very disturbing dreams that give one the “experiences” that comes very close to real events which would be impossible to do in real life situations because the damage may become permanent. It’s a learning method certainly not for the timid and unbalanced mind that will cause psychotic or schizophrenic behaviors that will cross over into the material waking world as well.<br />
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Through my personal experiences in the dream realms, I have so far “found” there are three different states, one could be strictly an observer ( like in remote viewing), a direct participant (most dreams) or at a higher level as an arbitrator, one who administer between opposing parties in order to “find” a resolution amongst a dilemma. There may be higher “states” and probably are.<br />
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Open an account in another of Billy’s internet supporting website in Steelmark Forum and send a message to Barbarian216. There are a few questions that need to be answered first before we start on this most interesting topic.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian.<br />
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May I make a suggestion to be modest when dealing with people. There's a bunch of quotes from the Goblet of Truth about modesty and its utter importance. <br />
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If you don't fertilize your ground with the fundamental material, your tree of higher evolutionary development potentials will be fruitless.<br />
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Also, if you see any misspellings, grammatical mistakes or similar in any of the articles/contact notes/excerpts that I am working on, please feel free to make me aware of it. My "mission" is to make the translation as good as possible and any help would certainly be welcome.<br />
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Salome,<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sometimes a direct-in-your face approach is the best method, why beat around the bush for those egotistic arrogant ones who don't listen, even if it’s for their own good? All of my postings are done on behalf of others and in no way shape or form was self-directed as assumed by others who do not understand that in order to learn about creation, one needs to also bear the responsibility of the negative factors as well, then weigh the outcome or appropriate resolution(s) which requires COMPLETE knowledge and experience(s) beyond the material realms not just the rosy flavor, but the bitterness as well.<br />
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In a perfectly established Creational environment, yes modesty is appropriate, but in an unbalanced, Uncreational environment as we all know on Earth, the timid and silent ones are often trampled over. Sometimes one has to do what Billy did to Jitschi when he started getting irrational and unbalanced upon anticipating a meeting with Jmmanuel.<br />
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Billy punched and gave him a bloody nose, which calmed Jitschi’s senses that he later, acknowledged was “appropriate”. So thus, some things we do to maintain such balances in this chaotic world may seem barbaric by others, but bear in mind we don’t live in some paradise world as others do, but if that is what it takes to maintain “harmony”, so be it so. I certainly don’t enjoy sticking it to someone, but it’s for their own good as well as others, then its okay to do so.<br />
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I have little concern about “my ground” of fundamental materials which are scattered throughout the various races of sorts both on Earth and other origins that came and went. We are all the products of our environments, both material and non-material, it is up to your present personality to integrate your Conscious with your Subconscious in order to link up with other “silver threads” that if appropriately “administered” throughout its evolutionary levels (primary and/or spiritual telepathy) will determine to what extent each potential(s) are elevated in order to produce its appropriate harmonic frequency(s) which is/are not restricted to space/time or dimensions that will properly address accordingly to each particular situation. It is through the formulas I presented in the Spritual section that addresses each case, whether Earth bound or otherwise to include even the degenerates.<br />
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Creation = Cause & Effect<br />
Uncreation = Not Cause & Not Effect<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Dear Hawaiian,<br />
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I am also referring to your inability to take a joke lightly. You should develop a thicker skin. <br />
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Instead of approaching it with elegance, you have raised yourself above us as some master teacher talking down on us like we are small children while at the same time you weren't able to spell the fundamental gland for the Feinstoffsinnlichkeit of the sixth and the seventh senses.<br />
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What you harvested is that you were not taken seriously and you should take responsibility for the negative effects of your factors instead of making such a big deal about it.<br />
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If you are implying that being timid and silent are the characteristics of modesty then you are wrong. Being modest refers to not being excessive in anything, and so it refers to being meager in and free from excessive behaviors but not meager on confidence and uprightness and not without voice.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Just came across this study that concluded that fluoride has an effect on the functioning of the pineal gland, so it might be pertinent to keep the fluoride intakes in check if one wants it to function properly:<br />
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http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 13:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Petty nuisances, I can now understand why the Plejarens have pretty much given up on Earth humans as the immature behaviors displayed this website that is supposedly portraying itself as representing the Truth and supporting BEAM’s mission. <br />
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People like Alive, who could have just corrected the misspelled “penal” gland and continued progressing this topic in a mature manner, instead chose to promote his perverted mind and prostitute the “spirit” of this noble topic into something misaligned, which I was not aware at that time and tried in earnest to assume one’s endeavors by asking probing questions which where on track initially regarding the topic of the pineal gland. Yet, you decided to deviate, how do you even expect to “achieve” enlightenment via meditation when you can’t control your impulses?<br />
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I know the answers to the questions I asked listed below, but since you created this deviation, it is your responsibility to your spirit and others who may have been deceived to correct this and bring balance back.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands? <br />
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Hawaiian 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well? <br />
And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" thoroughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38. <br />
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The joke's on you Hawaiian. :) <br />
--Sanjin 02:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC) <br />
Even you had the opportunity to correct this while under your control, but instead tried to satisfy your immature impulse, remember what Billy says about life and creation, that to live in the moment rather than postponing is better? Well because of your immature behavior, (Cause) that is producing such a waste of energy (Effect) when we all could be progressing further on this topic about the Penal Gland and its associated properties.<br />
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If you are implying about some fluoride in my drinking water, then forget it. Fluoridation is NOT in the drinking water supply, in addition, I’ve been using water filtered by reverse osmosis that includes additional pre and post carbon filters for over 10 years. Again, wasted energy thoughts on both you and me.<br />
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Now, I need to correct and fix the mess Markvd left on the spiritual postings, if he still refuses to do so, then bear the outcome.<br />
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Enough said, I propose a truce that everyone zip their personal opinions from here forth out and concentrate on the particular topics at hand. I for one is tired of this petty drama which is also assumed for others reading this instead of learning…consider this as a done deal.<br />
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My apologies to others who may be reading this, BTW what is your opinion, should I just ignore such petty behavior and continue posting or not?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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I don't consider that having a sense of humor is immature but a display of having humane characteristics. Besides that, some say that laughter is the best medicine.<br />
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If water fluoridation doesn't apply to you, I am happy for you. But anyone else reading this may not have the benefit of having clean water. <br />
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Consider that besides writing some good information, you might also be wasting much energy by writing redundant and even false information and also that "By 2006, 69.2% of the U.S. population on public water systems were receiving fluoridated water, amounting to 61.5% of the total U.S. population". (Wikipedia & http://cdc.gov/fluoridation/statistics/2006stats.htm)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Why are you re-directing fluoridation to my postings, to deceive others from the main topic of discussion, you sound confused with your internal conflicts?<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Prove your assumptions that false information is rendered, I see very little if any type of useful information coming from you or these other immature individuals whose primary "contributions" to this website is Copy and Paste with practically nothing worth while as far as additional evolutionary aspects are concerned, besides adding useless immature impulse directed attacks which only prove the inability to comprehend more advanced logical thinking that is required for further evolution. Hawaiian<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It is possible that people are not capable of laughter, devious forces are at work here taking away the ability to laugh. I would hate to go to a comedy show with someone on this board not capable of a distinct capability of human kind. I hope the fluidal energies are not directly related to alcohol or delusions could occur by the inexperienced methods currently used. :)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Now, to the most unbalanced of the three, laughter has its functions at specific times that differ amongst Beings depending on their particular situation and personality. Define what you mean by "inexperienced methods" being used? Don't just troll something out and expect answers to start flowing in your direction when you got a brain and hopefully the capacity to function logically in order to produce something worth while that we can all appreciate as "enlightenment"?<br />
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Again, I give you another opportunity to clean up your mess you left on the Discussion section of Billy's Spiritual notes. Otherwise you will have to live with the results I plan to expose when I get a chance to clean it up. Again, I have not seen any true additional information coming from you that supports BEAM's mission, other that half-a$$ed attempts to "link" some sinister Earthly events with articles from this website, causing confusion for others as well.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Thank you for reminding me of my perverted mind and I am sorry for never remind you of yours.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, prove it, give examples of your assumptions and support it with hard evidence, not some run-of-the-mouth limited logic (if any?). I have given some very challenging insights into these and other topics, yet have not seen any direct "contributions" on your part except Cut and Paste, trolling for others to respond and other bias personal impulsed comments that are evidence of ones lack of maturity and logical reasoning. <br />
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Yet you claim to follow BEAM's mission and constantly engaged in personal attacks on my posting, contributing nothing worth mentioning in regards to further evolutionary progress? Billy was absolutely right when predicting in 2039 how these delusional religious brain-washed Earth humans will degenerate, but it seems like it's occurring right on this forum as well.<br />
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You still have not answered your very perverted response on the misspelled "Pineal Gland" topic. I have already laid down the foundation for it, yet you cannot or will not answer or correct your assumptions that came from your very own mouth? If you can not or will not balance your own personality, then how do you expect to evolve further without standing on a sound foundation?<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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You said "Yet you claim to follow BEAM's mission..." Where did I make the claim? Please show it to me and other readers, so we could join our forces to condemn me.<br />
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About your misspelling of pineal gland, I will not discuss it with you because it will take us further away from the topic, which is Sixth & Seventh Senses.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands?<br />
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---- M -- 14:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hawaiian 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well?<br />
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And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" throughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38. <br />
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Alive, you started it and created an uproar because of some deviation on your part that created this unbalance. Now it's your obligation to balance it instead of leaving your mess around for someone else to clean up, besides I've already laid down the foundation for you to do the necessary research, some found in FIGU 38, Pineal gland and Spiritual teachings.<br />
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Even though "my" methods are harsh and direct, it is for the benefit of those seeking the Truth, sometimes using the stick is way more effective than free will (Free will is much more appropriate in the higher realms of reality)<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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If you carry a stick to apply your method, I will prepare a machine gun. If you carry a machine gun, I will entertain you with a canon. If you carry some beautiful hula dancers, I will instantly surrender.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Wow Alive, how come you're still talking with your little head? Maybe you should let the big head take over because your small head is such a little prick.<br />
Hi Hawaiian, I signed up at steelmark and have sent you 2 private messages. They don't seem to be going through???<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 02:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Sheila,<br />
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I am glad that you are still alive. Now let us get back to the topic (Sixth And Seventh Senses), while Hawaiian straying on the streets looking for some fine dancers. I found something interesting here: <br />
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"The human brain also has still other remarkably important factors at its disposal besides the pineal gland, as, for example, the "early warning system", which is situated near the frontal lobes, in the region of the brain named the "anterior cingulate cortex", called ACC for short. It is this region of the brain which then becomes active when, for example, there is a difficult decision to make, such as -among other examples -when a decision must be made between two conflicting alternatives."<br />
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Is there somekind of meditation that could enhance my brain's early warning system? I need to enhance it because my life is full of conflicting alternatives, especially when it comes about bitchy women.<br />
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Please answer my question as soon as possible. Make it your priority.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive, as I said in a previous thread, learn empathy. Also read the Goblet of Truth, then you would understand what you are doing wrong. Believe me, I'm the most unbitchy woman you'll ever meet. But I don't suffer fools. Your previous post said two things to me, that you believe in an eye for an eye and that you can be bought. I guess you just don't realize how wrong that thinking is. And what disturbs me the most is, that you simply don't care.<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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What i said to Hawaiian is also valid for you.<br />
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No insults...... ("bitchy women")<br />
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If this continues James has to take measures..... Some think that they are more clever then the Plejaren and that they have eaten wisdom with a excavator shovels,others claim things from others, or try to imitate Billy by thinking that the stupid american "carrot or stick" method, here especially the "stick" method is the same as the Plejaren or Billy do..... Alive you should consider what Sheila said.... the goblet of truth is for free and downloadable..... also in Hawaians words is some thruth about what you said in your postings...<br />
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......Guys just relax..... and don't fight, where are we, in a kinder garden ?<br />
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Thank you.... and Salome<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel, feels more like the sandbox to me. Sometimes you have to point out mistakes as others may have a real inability to see that they've done anything wrong. I welcome all finger pointing because sometimes you need that to move ahead. And don't worry about my feminine sensibilities. I've been called a lot worse by a lot better, lol. They are only words and cannot hurt me.<br />
Salome<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:21, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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On your message of 27 December 2010 (UTC) at 6:56 you wrote "I am off now and not online for some weeks.", but then roughly 8 days later you are online again. Could you tell me why is that?<br />
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On your message of 4 January 2011 (UTC) at 01:03 you wrote "......Guys just relax..... and don't fight, where are we, in a kinder garden ?" Did you want to write "kinder garden" (English) or "Kindergarten" (Deutsch)?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 23:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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You are right that i said that i would be away several weeks..... At that time, i was not sure to get internet access...... but as it turned out, i can see internet sometimes.... also far from home, but do not ask me where i am right now please....... privacy.... Thank you :)<br />
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Kindergarten = kinder garden = same meaning.<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 10:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Interesting stuff, if I would add another capability if possible in the future extended human RAM memory so the same mistakes made long ago don't keep repeating like a broken record during future life incarnations.:) All these wonderous abilities are good if clumsy baffoons are not using it for irrational purposes. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)The problem with RAM memory is that for every incarnation of a spirit there is a new personality without any memory of former life cycles. Thus this new personality (for its own good) is kept away from its personalities of former life cycles. Until the psyche is strong enough (as in Billy's case), it can access former experiences/knowledge via its Subconscious without damage (multiple personality disorder or bipolar)<br />
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However, you have a point of former malevolent beings having the same negative personalities emerging again in reincarnations that brings problems not just for themselves, but others as well. (reference to one person who shot at Billy was in former times the same incarnated spirit that also persecuted Jmmanuel 2000 years ago).<br />
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Thus, we have an uncreational event that repeats itself, because it is not currently being balanced by forces that are capable of doing so and it affects the evolution of others as well. Therefore a new more creative method is required that gives the current personality the necessary experiences/knowledge it needs to differentiate between right/wrong and through its free will, hopefully decide for the good of itself and others as well. Apparently the spirit has not learned to balance itself through the creational incarnation process and continues down its path of destruction not only of itself but others as well including the innocent. Maybe the only option for these malevolent ones are removal to a desolate planet where they can destroy themselves or be subjected to experimentation in resolving such disorders?<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] <br />
I guess you could say we are on that planet right now with the 144,000 Creator Overlord strong criminal all star team.:) Every generation has it's warlord. They just have to be tamed in order to lessen there capability for mass destruction. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)The 144,228 malevolent “sons and daughters” of heavens that enslaved Earth humans and subjected the insane religious teachings were a much later generation, not the Creator Overlords themselves, but some were certainly from the counterparts that fled to this SOL system.<br />
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An interesting comment by Billy regarding these people is in the last paragraph of the following listed below. It appears that those wishing to make amends are part of the inner core group obligated to the mission as well as to themselves for pass injustices.<br />
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Now, if one considers the “other” side of the equation, the Cause and Effect of Earth “victims”, whose spiritual evolution were severely damaged because of these “sons and daughters of heaven, why are they not also included in the inner core? Is it because they are too degenerated in evolution in spite of the fact another more advanced race imposed themselves upon Earth humans?<br />
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Then of course you have the Creator Overlords themselves “contributing” more degenerated inputs like diseases and shorten life spans known as “programmed suicides” and other negative influences that made sure these humans remain at the “end of the bus”.<br />
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So in the end, is it a fair deal to have everyone now start at square one and expect all to arrive at the same level considering that some are crippled but need to complete the marathon race even if they cannot run?<br />
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If I were the judge, I would stop incarnations for those responsible (as Nokodemjion did) unless they endeavor to fix the wrongs done immediately to those that deserve it and discipline those that continue enslavements. Otherwise keep them in the ether state until the oppressed have evolved to their level of evolution so that both can now begin the evolution process on equal footing. If it takes several thousands of years, then be it.<br />
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Contact Note 228<br />
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Yes, it concerns very far distant descendents; and it is not just a few who belong to this lineage.<br />
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Question: From that I take it that, with the so-called punishment incarnations into which each core group member would be arranged - who are, according to the determination, in the core group - it has nothing to do with punishment incarnations, because for me, according to the spirit teachings, that would make no sense<br />
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Rather, I see it that these people - as they recognized that they, as the bearers of the mission and duty, had become unfaithful to their obligation - sought a path to more firmly anchor the mission, and the therewith connected duty, to themselves.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I don't care about the German text. The English text provided by Vivienne Legg, Dyson Devine, and Vibka Wallder, contains many interesting informations from Billy which could be useful for me in the future. I thank them all.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"The fact is that the human being's personality and entire body uninterruptedly transmit feinstofflich-electromagnetic vibrations, or, signals, which are perceived by other human beings, unfortunately, as a rule, however, only unconsciously, because the human being has turned himself towards the atrophying of his pineal gland as a result of the change of direction of his inner world towards a purely rational intellect. "<br />
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No matter how small someone's pineal gland is, it still runs its function as a sender and a receiver of ultra fine electromagentic vibrations. Could we say then that living humans are uninterruptedly communicating telepathically, but they don't take notice of it?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Rest assured that through proper meditation one can actually communicate with other material Beings, especially those on Earth without they becoming aware you are doing so, because they are not aware of their own potentials, being less evolved than how they should be!<br />
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The penal gland, like any part of your material body, needs exercise and the freedom to develop.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Thank you Vivienne, Dyson and Vibka for this translation. It sure clears up a lot of things that I didn't understand. For example why I felt a pain at the base of my brain at the moment when my mom passed away. The knowing before arriving at the hospital that she was already gone. She had always been able to feel my pain, but that was the first (and last) time I got to feel hers.<br />
So thank you very much for that.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 20:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Mahalo for sharing, Sheila, quite an experience even though it is sad in a way? Just imagine if our awareness was at a level where we can experience such energies without expiring? This world would be a whole different place indeed.<br />
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In an analytical approach, it makes logical sense that at the moment all the 5 physical senses including the 6th are no longer present just before one dies (unfortunately) all memories, experiences, emotions are released into the memory banks within 3 seconds that travel 900,000 kilometers for material Beings and much longer distance for more evolved Beings that have mastered the 7 sense in spiritual telepathy.<br />
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That being the case, would it not be logical to think that in a sense, meditation (to a lesser degree), enables an individual to be “immersed” in a similar “environment” so to speak that also gives her/him the necessary means to communicate at a much higher level? Yes I would think so<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 14:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well?<br />
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And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" throughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38.<br />
== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The joke's on you Hawaiian. :)<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 02:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Wish him well, Sanjin. He needs that.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Apparently both Alive and Sanjin have no idea of the importance of understanding the complexity between the connections amongst FIGU Special Bulletin 38, Fluidal energy, the 6th and 7th senses to include remote sensing and control of dreams. The authors of this material also refers to some degree that the Conscious is similar to electrical-motive force known as “voltage” or pressure that move electrons (feinstofflich), which I also coined in previous forums. Electrical-magnetic “radiations” of both the coarse/fine energies are produced by humans and can be measured by the Plejarens to gauge the spiritual evolution of others.<br />
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But there is another factor to consider which the article only briefly scratches the surface to imply the capacitance or stored fine/super-fine energies that are linked through the so-called “silver thread” that each and every human being has, but most are not aware of.<br />
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You think that it is a joke to poke fun on something that should be taken seriously and don't realize that your comments or lack of intellect is being analyzed by both Earthly and non-Earthly sources, which amounts to nothing less than childish behaviors not worth analyzing in the first place? Where is your “devotion” to your spirit in your current personality, the joke is really on you and not me unfortunately, I don’t see any counter-arguments nor any supportive ones…just static….?<br />
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What comments did any of you produced that indicate you actually know something to add that is worthwhile on this topic or rather, what experience do you actually have that can verify this is so? Until you can produce such evidence, then maybe it's better to zip it and observe with the proper mindset devoid of some stupid ego, then maybe you'll learn something?<br />
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BTW, Sanjin, have you learned anything since I sent you an excellent posting from another person regarding the ills of homosexual behaviors? Nothing came of it, thus one can assume that you agree on it or otherwise?<br />
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I was going to include proven methods of improving one’s 6th and 7th senses, but based on the responses on this forum, decided not to waste my time on those not receptive to concepts that appear beyond their comprehension or more accurately beyond their self-controlled ego.<br />
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There is a reason why I posted comments, which in due time will become relevant once all the pieces are put together. Sometimes it’s best to reserve any reaction for the time being until it is better understood in the future.<br />
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So far on this site there are only three individuals who display some insights to higher evolutionary development potentials.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:14, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how about we go back to the basics and pay attention that "7. one smiles at the humour of the various life situations and neither they nor any jokes or attacks are taken deadly serious. "<br />
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation<br />
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BTW, you spelled pineal as penal, which is something completely different. :-)<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 23:36, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian, I am interested in your proven methods of developing the 6th and 7th senses.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 01:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sanjin,<br />
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I see allot of mistakes done in translations, posting and the like, yet in my case, misspellings are singled out and "redirected" to suit another's agenda simply because they can't find a way to either disprove or add to the discussion in spite of the current topic being discussed are well known to the prospective audience. We were and still on the topic of pineal gland, the gateway to one’s 6 & 7th senses along with a whole slew of connections that has the potential to nullify space/time.<br />
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It would have been so easy just to make the notation that there was a misspelled word, instead of “promoting” your own disgruntled childish behavior to personally attack the moderator who is also human and learning at the same time. This is not the first time and the way it looks, probably not the last time either. It’s just an unnecessary nuisance, like dealing with some cry baby while giving a lecture to a professional audience, wasted energy.<br />
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Now, I have to do the same to that other immature personality named Markvd on the Spiritual topic where he made irrelevalent comments about myself which are completely false…again time and energy wasted. How can there be any progressive movement when these so called “enlightened ones” on this forum behave in such a manner? You should all be ashamed and act accordingly because each and every human represents millions of years of evolution and when speaking or communicating with each, you also communicate at a finer level to ALL of their previous personalities as well.<br />
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That being said, I find it unnecessary to expand more in this forum and will conclude my last assessment on the Spiritual topic, because I have fulfilled my mission and will not expend any more wasted energy on others that do not have the discipline to logically extrapolate the “connections” being presented by BEAM’s material. Besides it will be too dangerous to give a child a loaded gun when they cannot display the proper discipline to logically control such power in order to maintain balance amongst the positive and negative attributes that encompass this universe that starts with one’s mindset<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sheila,<br />
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It’s not exactly “my proven” proven methods, but a combination of others and personal experiences “proven” in the non-material realms of the dream state. It is available for everyone who makes the concerted effort in doing so.<br />
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Since you asked, sure I’ll show you ways to improve your 6th and 7th senses. But to avoid dealing with these “nuisances” I would prefer to communicate this privately and not on this forum. However, you should be aware that your psyche should first be strengthened in order to deal with events both material and non-material once your abilities improve.<br />
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Many of these episodes will occur in the dream state and you will find that it will also effect the material waking world as well. You’ll have control over these dreams and need to discipline your personality to prevent abuses as often there will be events that severely test your resolve in maintaining balance between the positive/negative influences occurring during your waking life that also “bleed over” into the dream realms.<br />
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For instance, I managed to “arrange” a meeting with Albert Einstein in a discussion on his theory for exceeding the speed of light. It is your Conscious that needs to “obtain” the necessary input in order to develop the required “voltage” or pressure to trigger this event (via the Subconscious). Anyways, to make things short, Dr. Einstein wrote out the entire formula on the blackboard and started getting annoyed because I was trying to remember the mathematical formulas instead to listening to his personal comments. (My error this time).<br />
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There will be times events happen without your input and these I have not quite gotten a handle on yet, for in this realm is not quite understood well unless you ask that directly to Billy himself.<br />
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There can also be some very disturbing dreams that give one the “experiences” that comes very close to real events which would be impossible to do in real life situations because the damage may become permanent. It’s a learning method certainly not for the timid and unbalanced mind that will cause psychotic or schizophrenic behaviors that will cross over into the material waking world as well.<br />
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Through my personal experiences in the dream realms, I have so far “found” there are three different states, one could be strictly an observer ( like in remote viewing), a direct participant (most dreams) or at a higher level as an arbitrator, one who administer between opposing parties in order to “find” a resolution amongst a dilemma. There may be higher “states” and probably are.<br />
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Open an account in another of Billy’s internet supporting website in Steelmark Forum and send a message to Barbarian216. There are a few questions that need to be answered first before we start on this most interesting topic.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian.<br />
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May I make a suggestion to be modest when dealing with people. There's a bunch of quotes from the Goblet of Truth about modesty and its utter importance. <br />
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If you don't fertilize your ground with the fundamental material, your tree of higher evolutionary development potentials will be fruitless.<br />
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Also, if you see any misspellings, grammatical mistakes or similar in any of the articles/contact notes/excerpts that I am working on, please feel free to make me aware of it. My "mission" is to make the translation as good as possible and any help would certainly be welcome.<br />
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Salome,<br />
Sanjin<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 23:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sanjin,<br />
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Sometimes a direct-in-your face approach is the best method, why beat around the bush for those egotistic arrogant ones who don't listen, even if it’s for their own good? All of my postings are done on behalf of others and in no way shape or form was self-directed as assumed by others who do not understand that in order to learn about creation, one needs to also bear the responsibility of the negative factors as well, then weigh the outcome or appropriate resolution(s) which requires COMPLETE knowledge and experience(s) beyond the material realms not just the rosy flavor, but the bitterness as well.<br />
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In a perfectly established Creational environment, yes modesty is appropriate, but in an unbalanced, Uncreational environment as we all know on Earth, the timid and silent ones are often trampled over. Sometimes one has to do what Billy did to Jitschi when he started getting irrational and unbalanced upon anticipating a meeting with Jmmanuel.<br />
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Billy punched and gave him a bloody nose, which calmed Jitschi’s senses that he later, acknowledged was “appropriate”. So thus, some things we do to maintain such balances in this chaotic world may seem barbaric by others, but bear in mind we don’t live in some paradise world as others do, but if that is what it takes to maintain “harmony”, so be it so. I certainly don’t enjoy sticking it to someone, but it’s for their own good as well as others, then its okay to do so.<br />
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I have little concern about “my ground” of fundamental materials which are scattered throughout the various races of sorts both on Earth and other origins that came and went. We are all the products of our environments, both material and non-material, it is up to your present personality to integrate your Conscious with your Subconscious in order to link up with other “silver threads” that if appropriately “administered” throughout its evolutionary levels (primary and/or spiritual telepathy) will determine to what extent each potential(s) are elevated in order to produce its appropriate harmonic frequency(s) which is/are not restricted to space/time or dimensions that will properly address accordingly to each particular situation. It is through the formulas I presented in the Spritual section that addresses each case, whether Earth bound or otherwise to include even the degenerates.<br />
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Creation = Cause & Effect<br />
Uncreation = Not Cause & Not Effect<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Dear Hawaiian,<br />
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I am also referring to your inability to take a joke lightly. You should develop a thicker skin. <br />
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Instead of approaching it with elegance, you have raised yourself above us as some master teacher talking down on us like we are small children while at the same time you weren't able to spell the fundamental gland for the Feinstoffsinnlichkeit of the sixth and the seventh senses.<br />
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What you harvested is that you were not taken seriously and you should take responsibility for the negative effects of your factors instead of making such a big deal about it.<br />
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If you are implying that being timid and silent are the characteristics of modesty then you are wrong. Being modest refers to not being excessive in anything, and so it refers to being meager in and free from excessive behaviors but not meager on confidence and uprightness and not without voice.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Just came across this study that concluded that fluoride has an effect on the functioning of the pineal gland, so it might be pertinent to keep the fluoride intakes in check if one wants it to function properly:<br />
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http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 13:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Petty nuisances, I can now understand why the Plejarens have pretty much given up on Earth humans as the immature behaviors displayed this website that is supposedly portraying itself as representing the Truth and supporting BEAM’s mission. <br />
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People like Alive, who could have just corrected the misspelled “penal” gland and continued progressing this topic in a mature manner, instead chose to promote his perverted mind and prostitute the “spirit” of this noble topic into something misaligned, which I was not aware at that time and tried in earnest to assume one’s endeavors by asking probing questions which where on track initially regarding the topic of the pineal gland. Yet, you decided to deviate, how do you even expect to “achieve” enlightenment via meditation when you can’t control your impulses?<br />
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I know the answers to the questions I asked listed below, but since you created this deviation, it is your responsibility to your spirit and others who may have been deceived to correct this and bring balance back.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands? <br />
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Hawaiian 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well? <br />
And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" thoroughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38. <br />
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The joke's on you Hawaiian. :) <br />
--Sanjin 02:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC) <br />
Even you had the opportunity to correct this while under your control, but instead tried to satisfy your immature impulse, remember what Billy says about life and creation, that to live in the moment rather than postponing is better? Well because of your immature behavior, (Cause) that is producing such a waste of energy (Effect) when we all could be progressing further on this topic about the Penal Gland and its associated properties.<br />
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If you are implying about some fluoride in my drinking water, then forget it. Fluoridation is NOT in the drinking water supply, in addition, I’ve been using water filtered by reverse osmosis that includes additional pre and post carbon filters for over 10 years. Again, wasted energy thoughts on both you and me.<br />
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Now, I need to correct and fix the mess Markvd left on the spiritual postings, if he still refuses to do so, then bear the outcome.<br />
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Enough said, I propose a truce that everyone zip their personal opinions from here forth out and concentrate on the particular topics at hand. I for one is tired of this petty drama which is also assumed for others reading this instead of learning…consider this as a done deal.<br />
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My apologies to others who may be reading this, BTW what is your opinion, should I just ignore such petty behavior and continue posting or not?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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I don't consider that having a sense of humor is immature but a display of having humane characteristics. Besides that, some say that laughter is the best medicine.<br />
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If water fluoridation doesn't apply to you, I am happy for you. But anyone else reading this may not have the benefit of having clean water. <br />
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Consider that besides writing some good information, you might also be wasting much energy by writing redundant and even false information and also that "By 2006, 69.2% of the U.S. population on public water systems were receiving fluoridated water, amounting to 61.5% of the total U.S. population". (Wikipedia & http://cdc.gov/fluoridation/statistics/2006stats.htm)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Why are you re-directing fluoridation to my postings, to deceive others from the main topic of discussion, you sound confused with your internal conflicts?<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Prove your assumptions that false information is rendered, I see very little if any type of useful information coming from you or these other immature individuals whose primary "contributions" to this website is Copy and Paste with practically nothing worth while as far as additional evolutionary aspects are concerned, besides adding useless immature impulse directed attacks which only prove the inability to comprehend more advanced logical thinking that is required for further evolution. Hawaiian<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 00:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It is possible that people are not capable of laughter, devious forces are at work here taking away the ability to laugh. I would hate to go to a comedy show with someone on this board not capable of a distinct capability of human kind. I hope the fluidal energies are not directly related to alcohol or delusions could occur by the inexperienced methods currently used. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Now, to the most unbalanced of the three, laughter has its functions at specific times that differ amongst Beings depending on their particular situation and personality. Define what you mean by "inexperienced methods" being used? Don't just troll something out and expect answers to start flowing in your direction when you got a brain and hopefully the capacity to function logically in order to produce something worth while that we can all appreciate as "enlightenment"?<br />
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Again, I give you another opportunity to clean up your mess you left on the Discussion section of Billy's Spiritual notes. Otherwise you will have to live with the results I plan to expose when I get a chance to clean it up. Again, I have not seen any true additional information coming from you that supports BEAM's mission, other that half-a$$ed attempts to "link" some sinister Earthly events with articles from this website, causing confusion for others as well.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Thank you for reminding me of my perverted mind and I am sorry for never remind you of yours.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 09:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, prove it, give examples of your assumptions and support it with hard evidence, not some run-of-the-mouth limited logic (if any?). I have given some very challenging insights into these and other topics, yet have not seen any direct "contributions" on your part except Cut and Paste, trolling for others to respond and other bias personal impulsed comments that are evidence of ones lack of maturity and logical reasoning. <br />
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Yet you claim to follow BEAM's mission and constantly engaged in personal attacks on my posting, contributing nothing worth mentioning in regards to further evolutionary progress? Billy was absolutely right when predicting in 2039 how these delusional religious brain-washed Earth humans will degenerate, but it seems like it's occurring right on this forum as well.<br />
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You still have not answered your very perverted response on the misspelled "Pineal Gland" topic. I have already laid down the foundation for it, yet you cannot or will not answer or correct your assumptions that came from your very own mouth? If you can not or will not balance your own personality, then how do you expect to evolve further without standing on a sound foundation?<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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You said "Yet you claim to follow BEAM's mission..." Where did I make the claim? Please show it to me and other readers, so we could join our forces to condemn me.<br />
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About your misspelling of pineal gland, I will not discuss it with you because it will take us further away from the topic, which is Sixth & Seventh Senses.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Alive said ...<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Is the penal gland you mentioned a part of human brain that produced penal code which could be used to verdict some naughty pineal glands?<br />
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---- M -- 14:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hawaiian 19:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)Alive, you need to expand more on your question(s), what do you mean by "penal code"? What utilization of this "code" in order to "verdict" some naughty pineal glands? Each human has ONLY one penal gland, so I am assuming you are directing this to others as well?<br />
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And finally, is your question(s) directed internally or externally as mentioned in the References section? Feinstoff...feinsstoffsinnlich...etc? I am studying this remarkable article and analyzing "it" throughly, interesting enough there are some "connections" that relates to FIGU Special Bulletin 38. <br />
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Alive, you started it and created an uproar because of some deviation on your part that created this unbalance. Now it's your obligation to balance it instead of leaving your mess around for someone else to clean up, besides I've already laid down the foundation for you to do the necessary research, some found in FIGU 38, Pineal gland and Spiritual teachings.<br />
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Even though "my" methods are harsh and direct, it is for the benefit of those seeking the Truth, sometimes using the stick is way more effective than free will (Free will is much more appropriate in the higher realms of reality)<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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If you carry a stick to apply your method, I will prepare a machine gun. If you carry a machine gun, I will entertain you with a canon. If you carry some beautiful hula dancers, I will instantly surrender.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Wow Alive, how come you're still talking with your little head? Maybe you should let the big head take over because your small head is such a little prick.<br />
Hi Hawaiian, I signed up at steelmark and have sent you 2 private messages. They don't seem to be going through???<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 02:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Sheila,<br />
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I am glad that you are still alive. Now let us get back to the topic (Sixth And Seventh Senses), while Hawaiian straying on the streets looking for some fine dancers. I found something interesting here: <br />
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"The human brain also has still other remarkably important factors at its disposal besides the pineal gland, as, for example, the "early warning system", which is situated near the frontal lobes, in the region of the brain named the "anterior cingulate cortex", called ACC for short. It is this region of the brain which then becomes active when, for example, there is a difficult decision to make, such as -among other examples -when a decision must be made between two conflicting alternatives."<br />
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Is there somekind of meditation that could enhance my brain's early warning system? I need to enhance it because my life is full of conflicting alternatives, especially when it comes about bitchy women.<br />
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Please answer my question as soon as possible. Make it your priority.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive, as I said in a previous thread, learn empathy. Also read the Goblet of Truth, then you would understand what you are doing wrong. Believe me, I'm the most unbitchy woman you'll ever meet. But I don't suffer fools. Your previous post said two things to me, that you believe in an eye for an eye and that you can be bought. I guess you just don't realize how wrong that thinking is. And what disturbs me the most is, that you simply don't care.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 00:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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What i said to Hawaiian is also valid for you.<br />
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No insults...... ("bitchy women")<br />
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If this continues James has to take measures..... Some think that they are more clever then the Plejaren and that they have eaten wisdom with a excavator shovels,others claim things from others, or try to imitate Billy by thinking that the stupid american "carrot or stick" method, here especially the "stick" method is the same as the Plejaren or Billy do..... Alive you should consider what Sheila said.... the goblet of truth is for free and downloadable..... also in Hawaians words is some thruth about what you said in your postings...<br />
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......Guys just relax..... and don't fight, where are we, in a kinder garden ?<br />
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Thank you.... and Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 01:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
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90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)True, IF one applies this to a Creational environment that is free of Uncreational influences. I see a big contradiction in Semjase's assessment that "its Laws must NEVER be revised and Adjusted to new times". Then how in the hell are you supposed to logical reason why Nokodemjion, by his own accord, instead of progressing further from the pure Arahat Atherstata level, actually REVERSED this Creational process and "transformed" into a coarse-matter physical human Being (yes from a BEING into a Being) in order to bring balance to the white races he co-created, who elevated themselves into Gods and wreaked untold havoc in the DERN universe, that to this day still prevails?<br />
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Semjase must be living in a sterile environment and does not have the necessary experience to deal with uncreational attributes to believe that such laws will work here on Earth. And it is proven that it takes direct intervention (violation of free will?) in the case of the Giza being arrested<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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Salome<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Where did you get that "half-way figure", is it just a figure of speech or something you "decide" is appropriate? I am not trying to teach, but just attempting to present a second opinion that takes into consideration a whole slew of events, both Creational and Uncreational that spans the ENTIRE spectrum from Being to BEINGS and everything between and beyond.. I have yet to come across either Earthly or otherwise, individuals that can function logically without resorting to "religious like" approaches that quote line-for-line material reference straight out "the Book" so to speak.<br />
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If we are to accept "lock,stock and barrel" every single phrase or word without questioning or more accurately, further linkages to other links or realms than where or how is Creation supposed to evolve further? It will stagnate because ABSOLUTE functions on the principle that further inputs are NOT REQUIRED. So thus, any inputs from developing being, Beings or BEINGS are no longer required. All of one's experiences/knowledge are no longer needed, the links are no longer a means to connect the material to the non-material realms.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not have anything to supplement what Sanjin and Neckel have conveyed. Read what they wrote for you and take your time to contemplate. They are your friends.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 09:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful? If they are truly friends, then why don't they think beyond the "box" that these Plejarens propose in these Creational materials they present? Absolute belief is not the answer for it stagnates further evolution, you should all know that by now and besides the Plejarens are known to make mistakes, along with the High Council and BEINGS too, because they are all evolving and learning new things as well.<br />
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Salome dear Hawaiian,<br />
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You are saying again that you are the only one here "thinking" across/over the box...... You are definitively saying that you are the only one here who is thinking and not believing. congratulations....... for your smartness,..... and for showing other how stupid they are. - Billy has a term for that: "Know it alls"......<br />
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I know Billy personally and i know that it is the truth as i had the possibility to experience it by myself, that is why i decided to become a passive member.<br />
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You do not consider us as friends because we are also of a different opinion then you. You can write what you want but stop insulting others like Alive, Mark, what was this megalomanniac nice sentence you wrote to Alive: "maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful ?" - very charming Hawaiian. You are so convinced of your intelligence that you do not even notice anymore when you harm others.... or do you think that you have the right to put yourself above others ? Do you know the term: "Geistes Kind" ? Now we know "Wessen Geistes Kind Du bist"<br />
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Apart from writing a lot here and telling others that they do not contribute much and that they only belive and are stupid, what have you done so far ?.....apart from making big talks in the discussion sections ? There are some here involved in the overpopulation campaign, like the CFH (me also) and others, and translating FIGU material from German to english, spanish and frensh like Benjamin, Sanjin, Dyson and Vivienn, myself and others......<br />
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If you really would understand Billy's teachings, then you would know that the core is: self responsibility, modesty and LOVE. Not only talking about these attributes but also applying them in daily life...... which includes not insulting the personality of others....<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I just want to know. Did you ask Billy to edit the German version of your writing "Open Letter To All Fellow Men" (which I saw on http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Open_Letter_To_All_Fellow_Men) or was it his initiative to do that?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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I did ot ask him to do it. It was his initiative. :)<br />
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I am off now and not online for some weeks.<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:56, 27 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broken/Understanding_The_Term_%5Cx93Creation%5Cx94&diff=13855Talk:Broken/Understanding The Term \x93Creation\x942010-12-26T11:13:19Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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and<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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FIGU 8<br />
Paath<br />
Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
Ptaah:<br />
90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 12:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)True, IF one applies this to a Creational environment that is free of Uncreational influences. I see a big contradiction in Semjase's assessment that "its Laws must NEVER be revised and Adjusted to new times". Then how in the hell are you supposed to logical reason why Nokodemjion, by his own accord, instead of progressing further from the pure Arahat Atherstata level, actually REVERSED this Creational process and "transformed" into a coarse-matter physical human Being (yes from a BEING into a Being) in order to bring balance to the white races he co-created, who elevated themselves into Gods and wreaked untold havoc in the DERN universe, that to this day still prevails?<br />
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Semjase must be living in a sterile environment and does not have the necessary experience to deal with uncreational attributes to believe that such laws will work here on Earth. And it is proven that it takes direct intervention (violation of free will?) in the case of the Giza being arrested<br />
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Goblet of Truth:<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Where did you get that "half-way figure", is it just a figure of speech or something you "decide" is appropriate? I am not trying to teach, but just attempting to present a second opinion that takes into consideration a whole slew of events, both Creational and Uncreational that spans the ENTIRE spectrum from Being to BEINGS and everything between and beyond.. I have yet to come across either Earthly or otherwise, individuals that can function logically without resorting to "religious like" approaches that quote line-for-line material reference straight out "the Book" so to speak.<br />
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If we are to accept "lock,stock and barrel" every single phrase or word without questioning or more accurately, further linkages to other links or realms than where or how is Creation supposed to evolve further? It will stagnate because ABSOLUTE functions on the principle that further inputs are NOT REQUIRED. So thus, any inputs from developing being, Beings or BEINGS are no longer required. All of one's experiences/knowledge are no longer needed, the links are no longer a means to connect the material to the non-material realms.<br />
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I do not have anything to supplement what Sanjin and Neckel have conveyed. Read what they wrote for you and take your time to contemplate. They are your friends.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful? If they are truly friends, then why don't they think beyond the "box" that these Plejarens propose in these Creational materials they present? Absolute belief is not the answer for it stagnates further evolution, you should all know that by now and besides the Plejarens are known to make mistakes, along with the High Council and BEINGS too, because they are all evolving and learning new things as well.<br />
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Salome dear Hawaiian,<br />
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You are saying again that you are the only one here "thinking" across/over the box...... You are definitively saying that you are the only one here who is thinking and not believing. congratulations....... for your smartness,..... and for showing other how stupid they are. - Billy has a term for that: "Know it alls"......<br />
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I know Billy personally and i know that it is the truth as i had the possibility to experience it by myself, that is why i decided to become a passive member.<br />
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You do not consider us as friends because we are also of a different opinion then you. You can write what you want but stop insulting others like Alive, Mark, what was this megalomanniac nice sentence you wrote to Alive: "maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful ?" - very charming Hawaiian. You are so convinced of your intelligence that you do not even notice anymore when you harm others.... or do you think that you have the right to put yourself above others ? Do you know the term: "Geistes Kind" ? Now we know "Wessen Geistes Kind Du bist"<br />
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Apart from writing a lot here and telling others that they do not contribute much and that they only belive and are stupid, what have you done so far ?.....apart from making big talks in the discussion sections ? There are some here involved in the overpopulation campaign, like the CFH (me also) and others, and translating FIGU material from German to english, spanish and frensh like Benjamin, Sanjin, Dyson and Vivienn, myself and others......<br />
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If you really would understand Billy's teachings, then you would know that the core is: self responsibility, modesty and LOVE. Not only talking about these attributes but also applying them in daily life...... which includes not insulting the personality of others....<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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FIGU 8<br />
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Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
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90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 12:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)True, IF one applies this to a Creational environment that is free of Uncreational influences. I see a big contradiction in Semjase's assessment that "its Laws must NEVER be revised and Adjusted to new times". Then how in the hell are you supposed to logical reason why Nokodemjion, by his own accord, instead of progressing further from the pure Arahat Atherstata level, actually REVERSED this Creational process and "transformed" into a coarse-matter physical human Being (yes from a BEING into a Being) in order to bring balance to the white races he co-created, who elevated themselves into Gods and wreaked untold havoc in the DERN universe, that to this day still prevails?<br />
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Semjase must be living in a sterile environment and does not have the necessary experience to deal with uncreational attributes to believe that such laws will work here on Earth. And it is proven that it takes direct intervention (violation of free will?) in the case of the Giza being arrested<br />
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Goblet of Truth:<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Where did you get that "half-way figure", is it just a figure of speech or something you "decide" is appropriate? I am not trying to teach, but just attempting to present a second opinion that takes into consideration a whole slew of events, both Creational and Uncreational that spans the ENTIRE spectrum from Being to BEINGS and everything between and beyond.. I have yet to come across either Earthly or otherwise, individuals that can function logically without resorting to "religious like" approaches that quote line-for-line material reference straight out "the Book" so to speak.<br />
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If we are to accept "lock,stock and barrel" every single phrase or word without questioning or more accurately, further linkages to other links or realms than where or how is Creation supposed to evolve further? It will stagnate because ABSOLUTE functions on the principle that further inputs are NOT REQUIRED. So thus, any inputs from developing being, Beings or BEINGS are no longer required. All of one's experiences/knowledge are no longer needed, the links are no longer a means to connect the material to the non-material realms.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not have anything to supplement what Sanjin and Neckel have conveyed. Read what they wrote for you and take your time to contemplate. They are your friends.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 09:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful? If they are truly friends, then why don't they think beyond the "box" that these Plejarens propose in these Creational materials they present? Absolute belief is not the answer for it stagnates further evolution, you should all know that by now and besides the Plejarens are known to make mistakes, along with the High Council and BEINGS too, because they are all evolving and learning new things as well.<br />
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Salome dear Hawaiian,<br />
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You are saying again that you are the only one here "thinking" across/over the box...... You are definitively saying that you are the only one here who is thinking and not believing. congratulations....... for your smartness,..... and for showing other how stuid they are. - Billy has a term for that: "Know it alls"......<br />
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I know Billy personally and i know that it is the truth as i had the possibility to experience it by myself, that is why i decided to become a passive member.<br />
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You do not consider us as friends because we are also of a different opinion then you. You can write what you want but stop insulting others like Alive, Mark, what was this megalomanniac nice sentence you wrote to Alive: "maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful ?" - very charming Hawaiian. You are so convinced of your intelligence that you do not even notice anymore when you harm others.... or do you think that you have the right to put yourself above others ? Do you know the term: "Geistes Kind" ? Now we know "Wessen Geistes Kind Du bist"<br />
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Apart from writing a lot here and telling others that they do not contribute much and that they only belive and are stupid, what have you done so far ?.....apart from making big talks in the discussion sections ? There are some here involved in the overpopulation campaign, like the CFH (me also) and others, and translating FIGU material from German to english, spanish and frensh like Benjamin, Sanjin, Dyson and Vivienn, myself and others......<br />
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If you really would understand Billy's teachings, then you would know that the core is: self responsibility, modesty and LOVE. Not only talking about these attributes but also applying them in daily life...... which includes not insulting the personality of others....<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broken/Understanding_The_Term_%5Cx93Creation%5Cx94&diff=13853Talk:Broken/Understanding The Term \x93Creation\x942010-12-26T09:38:11Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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FIGU 8<br />
Paath<br />
Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
Ptaah:<br />
90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)True, IF one applies this to a Creational environment that is free of Uncreational influences. I see a big contradiction in Semjase's assessment that "its Laws must NEVER be revised and Adjusted to new times". Then how in the hell are you supposed to logical reason why Nokodemjion, by his own accord, instead of progressing further from the pure Arahat Atherstata level, actually REVERSED this Creational process and "transformed" into a coarse-matter physical human Being (yes from a BEING into a Being) in order to bring balance to the white races he co-created, who elevated themselves into Gods and wreaked untold havoc in the DERN universe, that to this day still prevails?<br />
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Semjase must be living in a sterile environment and does not have the necessary experience to deal with uncreational attributes to believe that such laws will work here on Earth. And it is proven that it takes direct intervention (violation of free will?) in the case of the Giza being arrested<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Where did you get that "half-way figure", is it just a figure of speech or something you "decide" is appropriate? I am not trying to teach, but just attempting to present a second opinion that takes into consideration a whole slew of events, both Creational and Uncreational that spans the ENTIRE spectrum from Being to BEINGS and everything between and beyond.. I have yet to come across either Earthly or otherwise, individuals that can function logically without resorting to "religious like" approaches that quote line-for-line material reference straight out "the Book" so to speak.<br />
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If we are to accept "lock,stock and barrel" every single phrase or word without questioning or more accurately, further linkages to other links or realms than where or how is Creation supposed to evolve further? It will stagnate because ABSOLUTE functions on the principle that further inputs are NOT REQUIRED. So thus, any inputs from developing being, Beings or BEINGS are no longer required. All of one's experiences/knowledge are no longer needed, the links are no longer a means to connect the material to the non-material realms.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not have anything to supplement what Sanjin and Neckel have conveyed. Read what they wrote for you and take your time to contemplate. They are your friends.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful? If they are truly friends, then why don't they think beyond the "box" that these Plejarens propose in these Creational materials they present? Absolute belief is not the answer for it stagnates further evolution, you should all know that by now and besides the Plejarens are known to make mistakes, along with the High Council and BEINGS too, because they are all evolving and learning new things as well.<br />
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Salome dear Hawaiian,<br />
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You are saying again that you are the only one here "thinking" across/over the box...... You are definitively saying that you are the only one here who is thinking and not believing. congratulations....... for your smartness,..... and for showing other how stuid they are. - Billy has a term for that: "Know it alls"......<br />
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I know Billy personally and i know that it is the truth as i had the possibility to experience it by myself, that is why i decided to become a passive member.<br />
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You do not consider us as friends because we are also of a different opinion then you. You can write what you want but stop insulting others like Alive, Mark, what was this megalomanniac nice sentence you wrote to Alive: "maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful ?" - very charming Hawaiian. You are so convinced of your intelligence that you do not even notice anymore when you harm others.... or do you think that you have the right to put yourself above others ? Do you know the term: "Geistes Kind" ? Know we know "Wessen Geistes Kind Du bist"<br />
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Apart from writing a lot here and telling others that they do not contribute much and that they only belive and are stupid, what have you done so far ?.....apart from making big talks in the discussion sections ? There are some here involved in the overpopulation campaign, like the CFH (me also) and others, and translating FIGU material from German to english, spanish and frensh like Benjamin, Sanjin, Dyson and Vivienn, myself and others......<br />
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If you really would understand Billy's teachings, then you would know that the core is: self responsibility, modesty and LOVE. Not only talking about these attributes but also applying them in daily life...... which includes not insulting the personality of others....<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
<br />
Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
<br />
Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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FIGU 8<br />
Paath<br />
Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
Ptaah:<br />
90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 12:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)True, IF one applies this to a Creational environment that is free of Uncreational influences. I see a big contradiction in Semjase's assessment that "its Laws must NEVER be revised and Adjusted to new times". Then how in the hell are you supposed to logical reason why Nokodemjion, by his own accord, instead of progressing further from the pure Arahat Atherstata level, actually REVERSED this Creational process and "transformed" into a coarse-matter physical human Being (yes from a BEING into a Being) in order to bring balance to the white races he co-created, who elevated themselves into Gods and wreaked untold havoc in the DERN universe, that to this day still prevails?<br />
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Semjase must be living in a sterile environment and does not have the necessary experience to deal with uncreational attributes to believe that such laws will work here on Earth. And it is proven that it takes direct intervention (violation of free will?) in the case of the Giza being arrested<br />
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Goblet of Truth:<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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Salome<br />
<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:56, 25 December 2010 (UTC)Where did you get that "half-way figure", is it just a figure of speech or something you "decide" is appropriate? I am not trying to teach, but just attempting to present a second opinion that takes into consideration a whole slew of events, both Creational and Uncreational that spans the ENTIRE spectrum from Being to BEINGS and everything between and beyond.. I have yet to come across either Earthly or otherwise, individuals that can function logically without resorting to "religious like" approaches that quote line-for-line material reference straight out "the Book" so to speak.<br />
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If we are to accept "lock,stock and barrel" every single phrase or word without questioning or more accurately, further linkages to other links or realms than where or how is Creation supposed to evolve further? It will stagnate because ABSOLUTE functions on the principle that further inputs are NOT REQUIRED. So thus, any inputs from developing being, Beings or BEINGS are no longer required. All of one's experiences/knowledge are no longer needed, the links are no longer a means to connect the material to the non-material realms.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not have anything to supplement what Sanjin and Neckel have conveyed. Read what they wrote for you and take your time to contemplate. They are your friends.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 09:40, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful? If they are truly friends, then why don't they think beyond the "box" that these Plejarens propose in these Creational materials they present? Absolute belief is not the answer for it stagnates further evolution, you should all know that by now and besides the Plejarens are known to make mistakes, along with the High Council and BEINGS too, because they are all evolving and learning new things as well.<br />
== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You are saying again that you are the only one here "thinking" across/over the box...... You are definitively saying that you are the only one here who is thinking and not believing. congratulations....... for your smartness,..... and for showing other how stuid they are. Already wondered why FIGU and Billy did not answer you ? - Billy has a term for that: "Know it alls"......<br />
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I know Billy personally and i know that it is the truth as i had the possibility to experience it by myself.<br />
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You do not consider us as friends because we are also of a different opinion then you. You can write what you want but stop insulting others like Alive, Mark, what was this megalomanniac nice sentence you wrote to Alive: "maybe you don't have the capacity to add anything useful ?" - very charming Hawaiian. You are so convinced of your intelligence that you do not even notice anymore when you harm others.... or do you think that you have the right to put yourself above others ? Do you know the term: "Geistes Kind" ? Know we know "Wessen Geistes Kind Du bist"<br />
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Apart from writing a lot here and telling others that they do not contribute much and that they only belive and are stupid, what have you done so far ?.....apart from making big talks ? There are some here involved in the overpopulation campaign (me also), like the CFH and others, and translating FIGU material from German to english, spanish and frensh like Benjamin, Sanjin, Dyson and Vivienn, myself and others......<br />
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If you really would understand Billy's teachings, then you would know that the core is: self responsibility, modesty and LOVE. Not only talking abouth these attributes but also applying them in daily life...... which includes not insulting the personality of others....<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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* [http://clemmm.googlepages.com/ Clemmm's English Translations]<br />
* [http://www.tjresearch.info James W. Deardorff's Research of The Talmud of Jmmanuel]<br />
* [http://dict.figu.org/ FIGU Dictionary Site]<br />
* [http://www.billymeiertranslations.com Billy Meier Translations]<br />
* [http://www.myspace.com/billymeiercontactreports Billy Meier Contact Reports MySpace Blog]<br />
* [http://www.ufofacts.co.cc/ UFO Facts by Stephen Moore]<br />
* [http://www.thecircleforhumanity.net The Circle For Humanity - Group dedicated to the ever increasing overpopulation problem]<br />
* [http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm Dr. Dietmar Rothe's writings]<br />
* [http://revolutionoftruth.com/ Charles Page's The Revolution Of Truth]<br />
* [http://wahrheit7x7.webs.com/ Jose Barreto's Human Being of the Earth]<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Remember, the Plejarens will NOT discuss any ongoing classified governmental work as it may bring unwelcome harm to their mission here on Earth. Even several remote viewers who actually worked under Major Ed Dames admit his incompetence and selfish agendas. He along with Ingo Swann, a civilian who wrote some of the remote viewing protocols was more interested in material greed than the science of RV. I have already done the research and consider this validation as unimportant not to be bogged down trying to convince others, its their obligation to do so.<br />
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One of the successes was done by US Army RV’s who accurately described the correct dimensions of Russian’s latest double-hulled submarine known now as the Typhoon class ballistic missile submarine before any satellite or human intelligences could later confirm its existence. As a matter of fact, it was uncovered in a remote building that the Russians had to carve a channel to the sea in order to launch it!<br />
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In another classified mission again US Army RV’s accurately described both the interior and exterior of the then highly classified M1 battle tank while still in the development stage. This triggered an investigation by the CIA, NSA and FBI to seize all reports and threaten to arrest them.<br />
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Both of these and other events are described in detail on various books written by these former US Army RV’s along with their comments on the two unscrupulous individuals. So what I have said has already been mentioned, thus one should investigate these topics on their own if need be and not be led totally in BELIEF of even what these Plejarens say, because they have been known for making mistakes and blunders simply for the fact although very superior in evolution, lacks the necessary experience to cope with events that often appear bewildering. And Earth humans as well as other ET’s (incarnated spirits) have suffered the consequences on a number of occasions because of that.<br />
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FIGU 8<br />
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Only certain secret research programs and achievements by the USA and the Soviet governments regarding long-distance perception or remote viewing, as it is referred to in English, can be excluded from this entire foolishness.<br />
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Now, since we have ended the first evaluation on the restrictions of absolute terminologies such as BELIEFS, GOD et all that hinders evolution and actually stagnates further growth, it is advisable for those seeking the TRUTH to first thoroughly clean out your “sphere” of essence that surrounds your Psyche of any type of restrictions because the next evolutionary stage or phase depends on it and will not be revealed until such matters are taken care of first before entering into its prospective realms whether material or non material.<br />
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I would not count out remote viewing as some fantasy endeavor until one tries and tests its validity in the waking as well as your dream state. I have and continue to explore its benefits because it has so much potential. Logically it is more involved than just meditation and maybe the reason why Paath is not supportive at this time (he has often said contradictionary statements before) is because as anything else, there is a danger of misuse since every human has the potential of even developing the 7th sense of spiritual telepathy which accesses the fine energy realms not restricted to space/time. One can only imagine what havoc can be done as witnessed in Contact Report 226, the assassination attempt on Billy.<br />
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Contact Report 226<br />
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90. Guilty are all those who are your adversaries, because through the power of their betrayal, the power of their lies, fraud, and all swindle, as well as the power of their malicious, negative, and schizophrenic medium and channeling machinations, they generate tremendously lethal energies against you, which gather together in electromagnetic clusters all around the Earth and influence unstable people to be just as negatively and maliciously against you as also powerful natural forces, such as the energies that produce lightning.<br />
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92. The simple process was that in the aircraft, all the negative vibrations of the Earth people that are directed against you were collected and stored in a block of sapphire of immense size, which was specifically provided for the aforementioned aircraft.<br />
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96. The thoughts of these negative people, however, were directed toward you in such a death-threatening manner that we felt compelled to explore the appropriate memory planes, by what means we found out that there are tremendously destructive powers stored against you and that of these, inconceivably large quantities were simply taken from somewhere.<br />
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98. A residual group of the now dead Ashtar Sheran, who finally concluded his life in the DAL Universe, felt obliged to be active as avengers of their former lord and master.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I hope the Giza wannabees aren't working on HAARP because that is a big ouch on the buttox.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Hawaiian,<br />
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I just checked Contact Report 226 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_226) and found that Ptaah did not say anything there, so I thought that you did not refer to the conversation between Billy and Quetzal on 3 February 1989 which is transcribed into Contact Report 226. Did you refer to your Extravagant Contact Report 226 which is the transcription of the conversation between you and some beautiful hula dancing girls on 57 February 2010 (which started exactly at 13.64 PM) ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)It's listed in FIGU 8 and I pasted it...only goes to show how stupid and foolish you look when your knee-jerk impulses cannot be controlled and shoot from the hip without logical thinking. Markvd appears just as foolish...I hope he decides to clean up his mess he left on the Spiritual posting, because I intend to clean it up for the sake of others being confused by his mis-representations of Billy's material.<br />
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This is actually becoming quite intertaining and fun...thanks guys...<br />
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Aggressor gene verified for one member lacking holiday cheer.:)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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I do not understand what you mean with "FIGU 8" and "knee-jerk impulses". If you would explain it to me, I would call you "Teacher", and if you send me some hula dancing girls, I will call you "God".<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 12:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, you have posted that "...one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s)" and also that "One day I’ll attempt to piece together the reasons why I believe Creational Laws are not “chiseled in stone”"<br />
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I am hoping to save you the time you would waste trying to prove something that is false.<br />
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According to Semjase in Contact 10: "47. The eternal truth is not subject to any variations and changes, and its laws must never be revised and adjusted to new times. <br />
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Goblet of Truth:<br />
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Chapter 2, 193) Do not quarrel amongst yourselves about the real truth, because the truth is given by the laws of the power of origination (Creation) and is unchangeable;<br />
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Chapter 11, 46) Truly, even though you have the audacity to be turned away from (deny) the truth, you can do nothing to harm it, because as truth, it remains in existence for all time and is unchangeable, even if you place every lie and slander against it (deny it) within the scope of your ability.<br />
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Chapter 6, 127) The laws and recommendations of the primal wellspring of all vitalities (Creation) are fulfilled in truth and equitableness (fairness), and as people of your kind (human beings) you cannot change one iota of them.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 03:43, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin,<br />
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Thank you for searching this up for Hawaiian.<br />
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Hawaiian, <br />
You live in a creational environment. Look around you, look at nature. You are part of creation and living in it. You make this environment unbalanced and unhappy by insulting others like Alive and Markvd.<br />
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The only thing that will change with time is how we will apply the creational laws, which were already like that since the beginning of creation, and the higher we develop, the finer (feiner, Mitfühlender, harmonischer, nuancierter) will be our understanding of reality/truth.<br />
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Instead of trying to teach us things you only understood halfway, try to learn sth. from Billy's writings.<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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Thank you for your information. I will think about it, or if you don't mind, I will contemplate about it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think you guys are making it much too complicated! I would suggest reading these two books on remote sensing by former US Army remote viewers. There are similar parallels in remote viewing and meditation, since both requires the “separation” between the basic senses and applying the more advance 6th and 7th to develop itself. What better place to test it out then in the ether state of your dreams!<br />
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"Remote Viewing Secrets" by Joseph McMoneagle and "The Seventh Sense" by Lyn Buchanan.<br />
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I tested out one technique by Lyn Buchanan in a dream of which some insane Islamic militant detonated his explosive belt filled with ball bearings which cause absolutely no bodily harm, because your “essence” in the dream state is non-material. Thus you MUST have confidence that is so the case, that “you” are in the ether; otherwise physical as well as mental damages may result upon waking up. To make a story short, I had no fear and knew no harm could be done and watched the shrapnel pass harmless through my “body” and impacted the concrete wall, cratered it with holes.<br />
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The other more relevant topic to your discussion on meditation applies to Joesph McMoneagle’s suggestion that in order to remote view properly; one must remain absolutely detached from influencing the event in order to “preserve” its essence purity. Otherwise, the event, whether it is about meditation (with a clear sight) or just remote viewing will be influenced in order to “acclimate” itself to one’s bias, beliefs and other material thoughts that strive for logical assumptions, because in the material body/mind much discipline is required to remain in this state of Being in order to be beneficial.<br />
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Buddhists claim that the “goal” of meditation is pure Enlightenment, which is another term for “Awareness”. It is a realm of Being, an experience that cannot be described in words or feelings simply for the fact that what one experiences during this “Enlightenment” is unique for that particular person, yet at the same time also unique for another and at the same time identical for the ONE, which is part of the Creational aspect of evolution, very similar, but at a lower level (at least temporarily) as what to expect when one’s spiritual enters into the pure spiritual state of Arahat Athersata level amongst other BEINGS of the same level.<br />
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It is a state of Being that enables one to read other peoples thoughts, to experience their feelings both sad and happy and in some cases, even the vibrational aspects of flora life. However, one, especially here on Earth should not get too hang up on these experiences, since it is just ONE aspect of many Creational wonders that are available for those willing to put the effort in “discovering” your true potentials.<br />
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It’s a start in the right direction, but the main concern is to prepare yourself for more profound events in store for both the good and bad, since Earth humans have been so much interfered with there is allot of self “house cleaning” required in order to remain slightly positive balanced throughout this “journey”. There are still some bad personalities here and beyond Earthly origins that strive to continue the “status quo” of uncreational endeavors even into the pure spiritual realms if they can do so or find a way to do so. They won’t hesitate to use you for their own evil agendas, that is why one should completely flush any religious beliefs out of your system, to also include power lust, envy and the host of bad traits that came from your past and present, it will be used against you and against those wishing to evolve where we need to be.<br />
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Billy and his allies have laid the groundwork in these materials, it is up to you to utilize it for your benefit as well as others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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.......I read the two books "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer sicht" from Billy and am apllying/practicing it every day........<br />
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........ also acording to Ptaah and Billy in contact reports (13. May 96) in FIGU-Bulletin Nr.08 and in contact report Nr 236. from Thursday, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h, "Remote-Viewing" is highly overrated...... and exagerated.....<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I have decided not to read Deutsch texts anymore. I learnt the basics of Deutsch while in highschool and I got the highest marks almost effortlessly. Whenever I read Deutsch sentences, my classroom mates are in silent and the teacher stands in awe. While in university I contemplated about Deutsch and slowly felt disgusting of it. Then I decided not to learn it any further. Then I started to avoid to read any Deutsch text. So if you want to suggest me some Billy's writings to be read, choose ones which have been translated into English and which are free (kostenlos), since I am a poor man with just a little money to spend.<br />
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I agree with you, it is very difficult to discuss mind-related topics, such as contemplation, meditation, consciousness, and so on. I am sorry for the inconveniences and thank you for the time you spent for our discussion. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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If you really want to learn how to meditate, it is still possible. There are already known books and texts available in english, also on the internet for free. Meditation is not complicated and you do not need fancy stuff do practice it, just a quiet place to practice, maybe some candles for the atmosphere..... the rest will then come with practicing regularly ;). You will find what you need ;) One has just to be willing and perceverent enough to find the needed material. Maybe on the english FIGU forum someone could help you with english texts and books concerning that topic ?<br />
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Have a nice time and a good start in the new year ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broken/Understanding_The_Term_%5Cx93Creation%5Cx94&diff=13799Talk:Broken/Understanding The Term \x93Creation\x942010-12-20T17:31:02Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplation. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Neckel,<br />
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I did not think while I was contemplating something? What do you mean?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
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English is also not my first language ;).<br />
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I thought that with this: "Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data" - you were referring to thinking.<br />
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"Pondering" is more correct in my understanding - and the more you concentrate, the more details you notice - this has however nothing to do with "thinking" :)<br />
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I could write pages and pages here to explain this.... it is difficult to explain it in only a few sentences. When you meditate you do not think, this is also the case with contemplateion. To get more into that and if you really want to learn how to meditate, i really suggest you to get Billy's books: "Einführung in die Meditation" and "Meditation aus klarer Sicht".<br />
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Everyone has a small idea what contemplation is, as everyone is doing it daily, even sometimes unconsciously.<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Debbie38,<br />
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Creational laws are similar in function to mathematical laws, adhering precisely to its corresponding parameters will ensure the “desired” outcome. However any deviation in its application will result in a less pronounced event, depending on how much deviation occurs will have an opposite effect and even destruction as in the insaness resulting in the nebula explosion and also in this SOL system that produced the asteroid belt of a former planet (Malona) destroyed by humans.<br />
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However one should remain vigilant when interpretating Creational laws in an uncreational environment, because such laws need to be altered or amended in order to maintain a neutral slightly positive balance between the various forces that shape each particular episode(s). What works for one planet may not necessary work for another that has much more complexity both on and in the material and non-material levels of evolution including outright interferences?<br />
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So, yes for your concern, Laws are guidelines to follow in order to maintain a certain degree of stability that often appears restrictive and foreboding in nature, at least from the prospective of one that foresees no need of such if that entity has already acknowledged such endeavors in their own evolutionary state and already applies such attributes in ways that provide the same function as such law or laws.<br />
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Therefore, if it (law) does not apply to you, then don’t even worry about it.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creation,<br />
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Contemplating, meditation or other formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive” measures utilized in order to “understand” or to a more accurate analysis, being aware of BEING. That is the secret of knowing what “Nothing” is, to become “AWARE” of your potentials by becoming all that is without thinking.<br />
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Any “speck” of your presence (from a material prospective) will contaminate the entire process of BEING AWARE, these two terms are one and the same, but separate when viewed on the material plane of existence. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:38, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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As for those that get “burned”, well who says that life should be all roses, sugar and spice and everything nice? Certainly not here on Earth considering all the abuses us humans have endured and continue to be subjected even now as we speak, not just on the material level, but also on the non-material realms as well.<br />
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As far as I’m concerned, everyone and that includes the Plejarens, Overlords including BEINGS and those that are connected are subjected to accountability accordingly to each particular situation that has links to this whole episode of events centered on Earthly matters, which also links back to various areas of this universe.<br />
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Creation unfortunately also includes the good and bad, the positive/negative, the Cause & Effect and for uncreational aspects, the Not Cause & Not Effect. If one cannot or will not accept this fact, then that person really has a big problem and I owe no apologies if people get hurt in the process, because sometimes discipline is a bitter medicine that does one good. Until one has to experience such events and how it relates to BEAM’s materials which cannot be discussed in public, then only at the proper time/space will that be acknowledged, maybe not now but later.<br />
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Those are the reasons for the “worded” formulas I have left in the Spiritual section, to be utilized by the respective parties in order to formulate their own “balance” sheet accordingly to their event linkages to the Equational Potentials regarding both Creational and Uncreational attributes. Thus, my mission here has been completed.<br />
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FYI, it is not necessary to dematerialize and materialize items of Conscious matter as I get the hint. <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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For me brainstorming is a discussion without any agenda in order to get various opinions and suggestions about a not-fully-specified topic, just like we do on this website and other people do on FIGU's Discussion Board. Brainstorming is done by several persons and does not need much concentration.<br />
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Contemplation is the activity of thinking wildly about possibilities of something specified without limiting oneself to the available data. The aim of a contemplation is a newer and richer understanding of the thing contemplated. For me the term "contemplating" is the synonym of "pondering", but since English is not my first language, the probability that I misunderstand the terms is very high. <br />
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A contemplation is done alone, although maybe the contemplator imagines the presence of other persons while he is contemplating. A contemplation needs an intensive relax concentration.<br />
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Maybe you saw a similarity between a contemplation and a brainstorming because sometimes you imagine the presence of other people discussing something with you while you were contemplating. The sensation you got while you were contemplating alone quite similar with the sensation you got while you were brainstorming together with several people.<br />
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Thank you for the link you gave. Maybe I could something interesting to be discussed on the articles ("Meditation Basics" and "Meditation From Clear Sight").<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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You said that formalized concepts are in itself “restrictive”. Is it okay if I understand "restrictive" in the context as "definitive" or "defined" ?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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You are welcome Alive. :)<br />
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Contemplation is a form of meditation and by definition you do not think at all (in the material way/with a loud voice in your head) during that process ;).<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broken/Understanding_The_Term_%5Cx93Creation%5Cx94&diff=13788Talk:Broken/Understanding The Term \x93Creation\x942010-12-19T18:00:49Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
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So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
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Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
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Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
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Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
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There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
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The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
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The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
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FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
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It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
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I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
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It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
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That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
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Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
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Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
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I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
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What's your opinion on this?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
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I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
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--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
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Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Neckel,<br />
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I understand "contemplating" as pondering (thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data) and "meditating" as thinking concentratedly about one possibility of something in order to get peaceful state of mind (so it is somekind of self-hypnosis).<br />
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What do you think on my thinking?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi my dear Alive,<br />
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I think that you are on he right track. :)<br />
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Concentration is an exercise for itself that can also be applied in meditation.<br />
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With this:"thinking wildly about possibilities of something without limiting oneself to the available data" my dear alive you are referring to "brain storming" not to contemplation. :)<br />
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But you are right that one form of meditation is to gain inner peace and harmony. Another type of meditation is like a mild form of self hypnosis and self suggestion.<br />
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I would suggest you the two books from Billy: Einführung in die Meditation" (Introduction t meditation) and "meditation aus klarer Sicht" (Meditation from clear sight). I refer you to these pages: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_Basics<br />
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight_(Alternative)<br />
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Practice, practice, practice ;))<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 18:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Broken/Understanding_The_Term_%5Cx93Creation%5Cx94&diff=13778Talk:Broken/Understanding The Term \x93Creation\x942010-12-17T17:34:35Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
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I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
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"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
<br />
So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
<br />
Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
<br />
Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
<br />
There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
<br />
The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
<br />
The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
<br />
FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
<br />
It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
<br />
I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
<br />
It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
<br />
That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
<br />
Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
<br />
Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
<br />
I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
<br />
What's your opinion on this?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
<br />
--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Zameen,<br />
<br />
I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Readers,<br />
<br />
I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
<br />
<br />
I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
<br />
What do you think?<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
<br />
Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
<br />
How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
<br />
What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
<br />
So no, contemplation is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
<br />
Nicolas<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"5. The human being should try quite simply to bring certain characterising words, which are applicable in regard to the nature of Creation -like, “everpresent", "almighty" and "all-knowing" -into association with the word or the designation “Creation”." <br />
<br />
I choose the word "kindness" to be associated with "Creation". I do not care how it would affect me or other people who read this. I do this just to start the discussion.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Alive,<br />
<br />
"Kindness" associated with Creation is valid ONLY if the Creational environment being "administered" adheres strictly to its principles and laws. However you should know that's not the case and saying "I do not care how it affects me or other people who read this" is very insulting to your other personalities and spirit as well as others who have been victimized!<br />
<br />
So if you want to start a discussion on your approach, than support it, not troll for answers or responses from others to make that decision for yourself.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Alive kindness is a good starting point for development of character and BEING. Don't take Hawaiian too seriously, just listen because The Barbarian is untamable in terms of kindness at this point in time.:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian,<br />
<br />
Kindness is not subject to anything. It makes its own principles and it own laws. It has its own reason and is moved by its own dynamic. It is not based on consent and does not wait for an agreement. It came from nowhere and could be found everywhere. Just like Creation.<br />
<br />
Very insulting to my other personalities? If you know about them, please inform me via this discussion board, so I and "victimized" people could discuss it in an "administered", civilized, non-barbaric, environment.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Two Marks,<br />
<br />
Maybe you are right. I should not take his words too seriously. I was provoked by his nickname, which reminds me of hula dancing girls I saw on some Youtube videos.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 03:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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when i read the spiritual teachings i feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun...and when i am not taking the time to read the teachings I slowly feel like my petals are slowly starting to close up again to the darkness. Live in peace and love. Praise be creation. Salome :)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 18:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Only goes to show how ignorant Alive is, depending on U-Tube "assessments" of Hula dancing girls, another perverted white-washed description of so-called Hawaiian culture being projected by the mostly corrupt perverted white man's ideas on native people's culture, which they don't understand in the first place.<br />
<br />
There are different types of hula, one for women that represents a story of various sorts that have hidden meanings as well that only those versed strongly in the culture can understand, not the mainly sexual nature which most "understand" being portrayed in today’s media. Yes, women has always been some type of sexual exploitation, but in Hawaiian culture they were held in highest esteem, being the source that determine the ranks of royalty in pass time.<br />
<br />
The hula for men is mostly about warrior type messages and others less aggressive that also depicts a certain analogy of sorts, like a riddle, a message to ponder on. Hawaiian names are a serious matter, as in the Plejaren culture as well, not something one gives just because it sounds “right”.<br />
<br />
The handles I choose are there for several reasons and certainly NOT what you may initially perceive as, but has hidden meanings for those that endeavor to look beyond the premises of these material presentations. Barbarian216 is vaguely described in certain portions of BEAM’s material that has negative connotations, but underlying such criteria is the possibility or “option” for such matters to evolve itself, creationally speaking for those that wish to make amends for current and pass deeds.<br />
<br />
FIGU Special Bulletin 38 has enormous bearing in conjunction with the Spiritual Teachings and other related articles including Fluidal Energies and the reasons why the “shorten life cycles” are mentioned is for the benefit of both the victims of pass/current and those responsible for it.<br />
<br />
It is there for the benefit of others as do the postings which have reasons behind it too, although it appears there are some on this forum who think otherwise either because they don’t have the necessary experiences, knowledge, lack the discipline of one’s ego or self or other mindset problems to realize that in order to look at the bottom of a pond, one must first calm the surface waves (mindset condition).<br />
<br />
I will go and analyze more completely the Spiritual posting that Markvd has erroneously implied false accusations that I desire some outrageous assumptions of wanted some “extended” life cycle and other delusions of his/her mindset, including falsely representing BEAM’s material about Mr. G being associated with the other so called “bigfoots” that have extended life cycles due to experimentation and not of the same planetary origins.<br />
<br />
It is time wasted on the ignorance of delusional characters that seem to infest this website, if Markvd is reading this, then it is time for you to do the necessary research and re-track your comments or I will go ahead and make a fool of yourself for doing so, which hopefully will add to your knowledge as well and balance out the negatives for your own good at my expense in time and effort. Because you are too lazy to find the answers yourself and like some immature child, wines for spilled milk that was kicked by your own foot. <br />
<br />
That should complete my mission in this matter when the final assessment will be done in the Spiritual section as there are no more reasons to add to this foundation of sorts.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hawaiian if you wouldn't come on so hard and strong you would learn kindness. You try to elevate yourself above all others than trying to meet face to face that's why your ego always counterracts in an aggressive and pointless banter. I still wish you well once again and hope you grow spiritually and gain kindness eventually...........................:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Whenever you feel like a flower whose petals are opening up to the light and warmth of the sun, beware of caterpillars around you. They just want to chew your petals, transform into butterflies, and fly away.<br />
<br />
Could you tell us why there is number 38 on your nickname? Is it because you have a 38 Special gun? Or because you have 38 chromosome pairs? <br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 16:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian and Two Marks,<br />
<br />
Sorry I could not give any comment on your comments right now. I am so tired after reading Debbie's comment and writing my in-depth comment for her. I want to take a rest for awhile. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the warning alive. lol . as they say with good comes bad and there will always be those hungry catapillars, it wont ever stop me though, although they may set me back for a moment. Each set back is a lesson on how to conduct yourself more to the ways of the laws of creation ( for the next time it happens ) is it not...part of life dealing with the hungary catapillars :) And the 38 by my name is nothing so complicated,it is just my age at this present time. :) Have a nice day ....salome.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 17:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hi Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Thank you for thanking me. I am glad that you come here so I could discuss something related to the term "Creation" with someone. Usually I discuss things with Hawaiian and Two Marks, but right now I can not do that because they are busy discussing how to start world war III before new year's eve.<br />
<br />
I don't like the phrase "law of Creation" because it gives me images of police officers, handcuffs, court room, and prison cell. I prefer "way of Creation" because it gives me a sense of something unrestrained, dynamic, lively, and unpunishable, like "way of thinking", "way of talk", "way of life", and so on. To be effective, a law needs the presence of law makers and enforcers. A way does not need such things.<br />
<br />
What's your opinion on this?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 19:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Not worth responding to delusional Markvd, who appears to be lost in his "paradise" world, completely ignorant of the negatives that co-exist amongst the positive as well. How can one exist without the other?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Zameen said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
i think everyone needs to calm down, have a sip of some fine peach wine and take a breath. the truth is right now, arguing over which is the correct way to perceive the teachings and what the information is really trying to say is completely backwards from progress.it isnt in anyone's favor to or of benefit to tell someone 'how' to go about this.(thats why we cant pick on the religious!)its all about individual perception and how to utilize the information in a neutral positive way. Alive I like your opinion on Creation's 'way' verses 'law' because i sort of picture the same thing as you, and to Hawaiian I can tell your intensely passionate about what you are experiencing and figuring out here and that's what this movement requires but you tend to attract backlash from your accusations of other peoples handling/understandings of the spiritual teachings. Spirited discussions are paramount to unraveling the proverbial sweater but harsh criticism only stings. Love to all SALOME<br />
<br />
--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Markvd said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I agree Zameen I am on this forum to learn and make mistakes from time to time. This is a good place to discuss those things and help fellow members out on the topics. The contact reports could have mistakes and everyone can make mistakes as well. If people don't change the way they reveal Billy's teachings of spirit in the same peaceful way he does then we are complicating his mission. If someone is wrong we should help them rather than throw the entire arsenal of falsifier remarks. I didn't know there was a contest to find the most knowledgable spiritual being on Earth for some:)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Zameen,<br />
<br />
I am glad to know that I am not the only one who feels uneasy with the phrase "law of Creation". For me the phrase contains a sublime threat.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Debbie 38 said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
well alive,i take the term law as a guide to how we should be living,same as the law of nature, the only reason i see it as a 'law' as such is because if you dont live by the laws,either of creation or nature then there is a consequence to your actions as we are indeed seeing now with nature.(cause and effect )We bring on our own downfalls by not following the laws rather than anyone or anything standing over us waving a big stick. I dunno..that's just my opinion though and how I see things,I can understand how you feel and at the end of the day,it dosnt matter how we interpret it,what matters is that we are all trying to be better,kinder people,both to each other and to nature. :)<br />
<br />
--[[User:Debbie 38|Debbie 38]] 06:59, 16 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Alive said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Debbie 38,<br />
<br />
Thank you for your opinion. Your sense of law is different from mine, but not explicitly contrary. It is the difference which makes a discussion interesting. If we have similar senses of everything, we do not need a discussion.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
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Readers,<br />
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I notice that according to Semiase contemplation is what we need to recognize the Creation as it really is. It could be seen on the following Semiase's sentences:<br />
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4. But how can the word and the name “Creation” attain such a deep significance for the human being that a change in his entire psychological way of behaving occurs -in his emotional awareness, his awareness of life, his ways of reacting -if he does not constantly and repeatedly contemplate the nature of Creation? <br />
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19. From that, he attempts to deepen and expand his understanding and feeling by contemplating the nature of the creational and its inseparable presence, at any time and in any space, in many kinds of ways, in daily life and experience. <br />
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23. Repeated contemplation about the ever-present, the truth, wisdom and the ability and knowledge of Creation as constantly eternal, as dignity and value, allows the word and the designation “Creation” to become something very meaningful in the human being -something which evokes transformations in the feelings, and transformations in his manner of thinking. <br />
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I also notice that Semiase did not mention "meditation" in any sentence. So I think that in human's effort to recognize the Creation, contemplation is more important than meditation.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 15:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Salome Alive,<br />
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Well,....... what do think is actually "contemplation" ? - I give ou a hint, it is not just watching nature...... it is "living" through and with it.<br />
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How can you optain the capacity to really contemplate ? - Well, cocentration AND meditation - real contemplation is a form of meditation.<br />
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What concerns meditation in general. There are many forms of meditation and many purpouses for the different forms of meditation, so in other words, these forms of meditation are as important as contemplation which is also a form of meditation.<br />
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So no, contemplateion is not "more" important then the other forms of meditation. All depends on your personal goal and on what you focus your development of consciousness. :)<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 17:33, 17 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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I would like to know a lot more about this subject of Nostradamus and what Billy and the P's know of him. the end of this contact just leaves me on a cliff. does any one else know more about this?<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 17:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Zameen,<br />
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Nostradamus was genuine. However his prophecies and predictions are coated in a code which noone has deciphered so far. He had to do this or else he would have been with certainty condemned to death by the church and maybe burned alive as sorcerer.<br />
It is unwise to interprete too much into his verses if one has not cracked the code, because as it is said by Billy in this contact report, one could press his sentences in many happenings in history on earth. The fact that we really do regularly the same mistakes, does that the history repeat itself so often over the last thousand years.......<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would like to know more about this Nostradamus fellow as well. Is he from a foreign planet or did he originate from Earth? Did he have contact with ET`s? Has Billy traveled back in time to observe him along with Asket and Jitsche.:} <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 23:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Markvd I want to know the same things. Neckel thank you so much for the information. I am truly intrigued with this subject. mainly concerning Quetzal and Billy's knowledge of the man and what it represents to the mission. Salome<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 02:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Zameen and Mark,<br />
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He was no ET of that i am sure, and he had no contacts with human beings from an other planet if my memorie serves me well. I do not know if Billy travelled back to see him, at least it did not happen in the official contact reports.... I think not that he was part of the mission...... Sometimes you have persons who have already aquired this capability trough evolution and who can travel into the future and the past with their consciousness if they have the possibility and the needed state of mind.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 12:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would like to know a lot more about this subject of Nostradamus and what Billy and the P's know of him. the end of this contact just leaves me on a cliff. does any one else know more about this?<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 17:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Zameen,<br />
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Nostradamus was genuine. However his prophecies and predictions are coated in a code which noone has deciphered so far. He had to do this or else he would have been with certainty condemned to death by the church and maybe burned alive as sorcerer.<br />
It is unwise to interprete too much into his verses if one has not cracked the code, because as it is said by Billy in this contact report, one could press his sentences in many happenings in history on earth. The fact that we really do regularly the same mistakes, does that the history repeat itself so often over the last thousand years.......<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would like to know a lot more about this subject of Nostradamus and what Billy and the P's know of him. the end of this contact just leaves me on a cliff. does any one else know more about this?<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 17:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Zameen,<br />
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Nostradamus was genuine. However his prophecies and predictions are coated in a code which noone has deciphered so far. He had to do this or else he would have been with certainty condamned to beath by the church and mabe burned alive as sorcerer.<br />
It is unwise to interprete too much into his verses if one has not cracked the code because as it is said by Billy in this contact report, one could press his sentences in many happenings in history on earth. The fact that we really do regularly the same mistakes, makes the history repeat itself so often.......<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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* [[Document Distribution to Vatican|Vatican]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Australian Anglican Church|The Australian Anglican Church]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Bank|World Bank]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Education Ministries|Worldwide Education Ministries]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Health Organizations and Ministries|Worldwide Health Organizations and Ministries]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Ministries of Foreign Affairs|Worldwide Ministries of Foreign Affairs]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide UN Permanent Missions|Worldwide UN Permanent Missions]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNIFEM|UNIFEM]]<br />
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== Non-Governmental Organisations ==<br />
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* [[Petition Distribution United Nations|United Nations]]<br />
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Note: Add more countries as you require. Just follow the same format as the other countries above.<br />
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* [[Documant Distribution to CIEDUR|CIEDUR]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A Closer Walk|A Closer Walk]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A Contre Jour|A Contre Jour]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africa Population Institute|Africa Population Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Education Charity|African Education Charity]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Revival|African Revival]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africare|Africare]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AIDS Societies And Foundations Worldwide|AIDS Societies And Foundations Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Gore Repower America|Al Gore/Repower America]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to allAfrica.com|allAfrica.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AmeriCares|AmeriCares]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AMREF|AMREF]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Asian Human Rights Commission|Asian Human Rights Commission]] <br />
* [[Document Distribution to ASQH|ASQH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Assist International|Assist International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AWID|AWID]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CAFRA|CAFRA]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Canadian Dev. Agency|Canadian Development Agency]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CDM|CDM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CIEG|CIEG]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CIUDADANÍA SX|CIUDADANÍA SX]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Cladem|Cladem]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Community H.E.A.R.T.|Community H.E.A.R.T.]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Concern Worldwide|Corncern Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Desmond Tutu Foundation|Desmond Tutu Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Direct Relief International|Direct Relief International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Charter Initiative|Earth Charter Initiative]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Hour|Earth Hour]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Policy Institute|Earth Policy Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EarthTrends|EarthTrends]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to East Europe & Central Asia Union of PLWH|East Europe & Central Asia Union of PLWH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Eldis|Eldis]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Environmental Organizations Worldwide|Environmental Organizations Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Family India Foundation|Family India Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Food and Water Watch|Food and Water Watch]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN|Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Foundation Institute For Women|Foundation Institute For Women]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Friends of Earth|Friends of Earth]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Friends of Woodland Park Zoo Elephants (FOWPZE)|Friends of Woodland Park Zoo Elephants (FOWPZE)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Global Partners for Development|Global Partners for Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Global Population Speak Out|Global Population Speak Out]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Globus Relief|Globus Relief]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Growth is Madness|Growth is Madness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Heart to Heart International|Heart to Heart International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to HRSU UN|HRSU UN]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Human Rights Watch|Human Rights Watch]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to IMA World Health|IMA World Health]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International AIDS Society|International AIDS Society]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Children's Fund|International Children's Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Development Research Centre|International Development Research Centre]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Union for the Scientific Study of Population|International Union for the Scientific Study of Population]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Isis Internacional|Isis Internacional]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jacobs Foundation|Jacobs Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Kinship|Kinship]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Ladies Network|Ladies Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Land Care Niagara|Land Care Niagara]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Land Research Action Network|Land Research Action Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Life Competence-AVEDAS|Life Competence-AVEDAS]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Lola Mora Association|Lola Mora Association]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Medscape|Medscape]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to MEMCH|MEMCH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mercy Corps|Mercy Corps]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mesa Global|Mesa Global]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mission Africa|Mission Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to National Wildlife Federation Action Fund|National Wildlife Federation Action Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Nelson Mandela AIDS Foundation 46664.com|Nelson Mandela AIDS Foundation 46664.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Nelson Mandela Foundation|Nelson Mandela Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ONE International|ONE International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Oneworld.net|Oneworld.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Optimum Population Trust|Optimum Population Trust]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Oxfam International|Oxfam International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pacific Wild|Pacific Wild]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Partners in Population and Development|Partners in Population and Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to PeopleandPlanet.net|PeopleandPlanet.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Action International|Population Action International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Coalition|Population Coalition]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Connection|Population Connection]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Council|Population Council]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Foundation of India|Population Foundation of India]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Institute|Population Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Services International|Population Services International(PSI)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Project HOPE|Project HOPE]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Regional Conference on Women in Latin America and the Caribbean|Regional Conference on Women in Latin America and the Caribbean]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to REPEM|REPEM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to RIPPLE Africa|RIPPLE Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Save Darfur|Save Darfur]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Save The Children|Save The Children]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to SEPREM|SEPREM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to SOS Childrens Villages|SOS Childrens Villages]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Thatu|Thatu]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Africa-America Institute|The Africa-America Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Butterfly Tree|The Butterfly Tree]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Energy and Research Institute|The Energy and Research Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The European AIDS Clinical Society (EACS)|The European AIDS Clinical Society (EACS)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Jane Goodall Institute|The Jane Goodall Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Africa|Ambassadors for Nations in Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Central and South Asia|Ambassadors for Nations in Central and South Asia]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in East Asia and Pacific|Ambassadors for Nations in East Asia and Pacific]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Eurasia|Ambassadors for Nations in Eurasia]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Europe|Ambassadors for Nations in Europe]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Middle East|Ambassadors for Nations in Middle East]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in The Americas|Ambassadors for Nations in The Americas]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Natural Resources Defense Council|The Natural Resources Defense Council]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Sierra Club|The Sierra Club]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Starving Ocean|The Starving Ocean]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the World Food Programme|World Food Programme]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNESCO|UNESCO]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNICEF|UNICEF]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Development Programme(UNDP)|United Nations Development Programme(UNDP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Economic Commission for Europe|United Nations Economic Commission for Europe]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Environment Programme(UNEP)|United Nations Environment Programme(UNEP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Population Fund|United Nations Population Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Agency for International Development|US Agency for International Development(USAID)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women and Health Collective|Women and Health Collective]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women and the Environment A.C|Women and the Environment A.C]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women Deliver| Women Deliver: Safe Motherhood]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women Thrive Worldwide|Women Thrive Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women’s Development Network|Women’s Development Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women's Autonomous Movement of Nicaragua (MAM)|Women's Autonomous Movement of Nicaragua]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Awareness|World Population Awareness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Balance|World Population Balance]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Foundation|World Population Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Refugees Organizations|World Refugees Organizations]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Overpopulation Awareness|Overpopulation Awareness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EcoEarth.Info|EcoEarth.Info]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Forest Protection |Forest Protection]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Foundation For Deep Ecology|Foundation For Deep Ecology]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pacific Environment|Pacific Environment]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EarthJustice|EarthJustice]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Amnesty International|Amnesty International]]<br />
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== Human Rights and Global Issues Activists and Movements ==<br />
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* [[Document Distribution to Angelina Joli|Angelina Jolie]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bob Geldof|Bob Geldof]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bono:U2|Bono:U2]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Boutros Ghali|Boutros Ghali]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Dr. Hans Hass|Dr. Hans Hass]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Dr. Joann Stone|Dr. Joann Stone]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Gert Mak|Gert Mak]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Gorbatchev Foundation|Gorbatchev Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jan Pronk|Jan Pronk]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pete Murphy-openWindowPublishingCo.com-PeteMurphy.wordpress.co|Pete Murphy(OpenWindowPublishingCo.com and PeteMurphy.wordpress.com)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Elders Foundation|The Elders Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Fellowship of Buddhist Youth|World Fellowship of Buddhist Youth]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Zeitgeist-Project Venus|Zeitgeist-Project Venus]]</div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/NS102:Document_Distribution_to_Convention_Biological_diversity&diff=13073Special:Badtitle/NS102:Document Distribution to Convention Biological diversity2010-10-24T14:53:15Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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<div>Secretariat of the Convention on Biological Diversity <br />
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413, Saint Jacques Street, suite 800 <br />
Montreal QC H2Y 1N9 <br />
Canada Tel: +1 514 288 2220 <br />
Fax: +1 514 288 6588 <br />
E-Mail: secretariat@cbd.int<br />
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<div>Secretariat of the Convention on Biological Diversity <br />
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413, Saint Jacques Street, suite 800 <br />
Montreal QC H2Y 1N9 <br />
Canada Tel: <br />
Fax: <br />
E-Mail: <br />
Web: +1 514 288 2220 <br />
+1 514 288 6588 <br />
secretariat@cbd.int <br />
www.cbd.int</div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/NS102:Petition_Distribution&diff=13071Special:Badtitle/NS102:Petition Distribution2010-10-24T14:43:49Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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<div>[[Category:Petition Distribution]]<br />
Click on an organisation/government to see the staff members/civil servants who have been sent the controlled birth stop petition.<br />
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== ADDRESSES, CONTACT DATA ==<br />
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* [[1 Countries|1 Countries]]<br />
* [[2 Organisations|2 Organisations]]<br />
* [[3 Women Associations|3 Women Associations]]<br />
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== Governments ==<br />
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* [[Petition Distribution Afghanistan|Afghanistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Albania|Albania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Algeria|Algeria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Angola|Angola]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Argentina|Argentina]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Armenia|Armenia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Aruba|Aruba]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Australia|Australia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Austria|Austria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Azerbaijan|Azerbaijan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bahrain|Bahrain]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bangladesh|Bangladesh]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belarus|Belarus]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belgium|Belgium]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belize|Belize]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Benin|Benin]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bhutan|Bhutan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bolivia|Bolivia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bosnia|Bosnia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Botswana|Botswana]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Brazil|Brazil]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bulgaria|Bulgaria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Burundi|Burundi]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Burkina Faso|Burkina Faso]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cambodia|Cambodia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cameroon|Cameroon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Canada|Canada]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cape Verde|Cape Verde]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Central African Republic|Central African Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Chile|Chile]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution China|China]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Colombia|Colombia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Congo|Congo]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Congo(RD)|Congo(RD)]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Costa Rica|Costa Rica]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Croatia|Croatia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cuba|Cuba]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cyprus|Cyprus]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Czech Republic|Czech Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Denmark|Denmark]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Djibouti|Djibouti]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Dominican Republic|Dominican Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ecuador|Ecuador]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Egypt|Egypt]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Estonia|Estonia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ethiopia|Ethiopia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution France|France]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution France outre-mer|France outre mer]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Finland|Finland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Gabon|Gabon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Gambia|Gambia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Georgia|Georgia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Germany|Germany]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ghana|Ghana]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Greece|Greece]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Guinea Bissau|Guinea Bissau]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Guinee Conakry|Guinee Conakry]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Honduras|Honduras]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Hong Kong|Hong Kong]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Hungary|Hungary]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iceland|Iceland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution India|India]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution India 2|India2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Indonesia|Indonesia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iran|Iran]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iraq|Iraq]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ireland|Ireland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Israel|Israel]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Italy|Italy]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ivory Coast|Ivory Coast]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Jamaica|Jamaica]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Japan|Japan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kazakhstan|Kazakhstan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kenya|Kenya]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Koweit|Koweit]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kyrgyzstan|Kyrgyzstan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Latvia|Latvia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lao|Lao]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lesotho|Lesotho]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Libanon|Libanon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Liberia|Liberia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Libya|Libya]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lithuania|Lithuania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Luxembourg|Luxemburg]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Macedonia|Macedonia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Madagascar|Madagascar]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malaysia|Malaysia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malawi|Malawi]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mali|Mali]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malta|Malta]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Marocco|Marocco]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mauritania|Mauritania]]<br />
* [[petition Distribution Mexico|Mexico]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mongolia|Mongolia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mozambique|Mozambique]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Myanmar(Burma)|Myanmar(Burma)]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Namibia|Namibia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nepal|Nepal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution New Zealand|New Zealand]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nicaragua|Nicaragua]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nigeria|Nigeria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Niger|Niger]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Niger2|Niger2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution North Korea|North Korea]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Norway|Norway]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Oman|Oman]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Pakistan|Pakistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Pakistan2|Pakistan2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Panama|Panama]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Paraguay|Paraguay]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Peru|Peru]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines|Philippines]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines2|Philippines2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines3|Philippines3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Poland|Poland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Portugal|Portugal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Puerto Rico|Puerto Rico]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Quatar|Quatar]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Romania|Romania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Russia|Russia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Rwanda|Rwanda]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Salvador|Salvador]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Saudi Arabia|Saudi Arabia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Scotland|Scotland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Senegal|Senegal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Serbia|Serbia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sierra Leone|Sierra Leone]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore|Singapore]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore2|Singapore2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore3|Singapore3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore4|Singapore4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Slovakia|Slovakia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Slovenia|Slovenia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Somalia|Somalia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa|South Africa]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa2|South Africa2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa3|South Africa3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa4|South Africa4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa5|South Africa5]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Korea|South Korea]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Spain|Spain]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sri Lanka|Sri Lanka]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sudan|Sudan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Suriname|Suriname]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sweden|Sweden]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Switzerland|Switzerland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Syria|Syria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Swaziland|Swaziland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tadjikistan|Tadjikistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tanzania|Tanzania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tchad|Tchad]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Thailand|Thailand]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Taiwan|Taiwan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution The Netherlands|The Netherlands]] <br />
* [[Petition Distribution Togo|Togo]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Trinidad & Tobago|Trinidad & Tobago]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tunisia|Tunisia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey|Turkey]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey2|Turkey2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey3|Turkey3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkmenistan|Turkmenistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uganda|Uganda]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United Kingdom|United Kingdom]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America|United States of America]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 2|United States of America 2 - Petition Delivery Per Post: Continuation]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 3|United States of America 3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 4|United States of America 4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ukraine|Ukraine]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United Arab Emirates|United Arab Emirates]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uruguay|Uruguay]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uzbekistan|Uzbekistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Venezuela|Venezuela]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Vietnam|Vietnam]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Wales|Wales]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Yemen|Yemen]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Zambia|Zambia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Zimbabwe|Zimbabwe]]<br />
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== Newspapers, Radio & TV Stations, Blogs, Forums ==<br />
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* [[Document Distribution to American Bar Association Journal|American Bar Association Journal]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ABC News|ABC News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A and E Television Networks|A and E Television Networks]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africa Action|Africa Action]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Newspapers And News Media|African Newspapers And News Media]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Aftonbladet Sweden|Aftonbladet Sweden]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Agence France-Presse (AFP)|Agence France-Presse (AFP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Jazeera Arabic|Al Jazeera Arabic]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Jazeera English|Al Jazeera English]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to America Magazine|America Magazine]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Anderson Independent Mail|Anderson Independent Mail]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Anthropology News|Anthropology News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to BBC|BBC]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bloomberg|Bloomberg]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Channel 4 News|Channel 4 News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to City Population|City Population - The Major Cities & Agglomerations of the World]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CJB.NET(Trilightzone)|CJB.NET(Trilightzone)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CNN.cm|CNN.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to C-Span|C-Span]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America|Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Daily Mail|Daily Mail]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Democracy Now!|Democracy Now!]]<br />
* [[Die Heinrich Böll Stiftung Deutschland|Die Heinrich Böll Stiftung Deutschland]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Discovery Channels|Discovery Channels]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Fox News|Fox News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to France 24|France 24]]<br />
* [[Institute For Development Studies|Institute For Development Studies]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Federation of Journalists|International Federation of Journalists(IFJ)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to IslamOnline.net|IslamOnline.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ITN News|ITN News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ITV News|ITV News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jewish Voice For Peace|Jewish Voice For Peace]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mail On Sunday|Mail On Sunday]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mail Online|Mail Online]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mediaweek|Mediaweek]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to MSNBC TV|MSNBC TV]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to NBC News| NBC News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to News 5|News 5]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Press TV|Press TV]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Radio Free Europa(Radio Liberty)|Radio Liberty]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Reading Islam.com|Reading Islam.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Reuters|Reuters]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ScienceDirect|ScienceDirect]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Sky News|Sky News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Society of Environmental Journalists|Society of Environmental Journalists]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The African Press Organization|The African Press Organization]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Ecologist|The Ecologist]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Hunger Site|The Hunger Site]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Japan Times|The Japan Times]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Salt Lake Tribune|The Salt Lake Tribune]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to University-College.com|University-College.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Newspapers|US Newspapers]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to USATODAY|USATODAY]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Wall Street Journal|Wall Street Journal]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to WGN TV|WGN TV]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to WNEP The News Station|WNEP The News Station]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Guide To Women In Leadership|Worldwide Guide To Women In Leadership]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Christian Science Monitor|The Christian Science Monitor]]<br />
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== Governmental Organisations, Intergovernmental Organisations, Other Entities ==<br />
<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Affiliation of Christian Engineers|Affiliation of Christian Engineers]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Development Bank|African Development Bank]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africa-Europe Faith and Justice Network|Africa-Europe Faith and Justice Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Alliance of Baptists|Alliance of Baptists]] <br />
* [[Document Distribution to American Commission of Women|American Commission of Women]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Asian Forum of Parliamentarians on Population and Development|Asian Forum of Parliamentarians on Population and Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Asian Population and Development Association|Asian Population and Development Association]] <br />
* [[Document Distribution to CARE International|CARE International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Commonwealth Parliamentary Association|Commonwealth Parliamentary Association]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Convention Biological diversity|Convention Biological diversity]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Council for International Exchange of Scholars|Council for International Exchange of Scholars]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Economy and Feminism Network|Economy and Feminism Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to European Parliamentarians with Africa|European Parliamentarians with Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Frères de Saint-Gabriel|Frères de Saint-Gabriel]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Guttmacher Institute|Guttmacher Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Inter-American Parliamentary Group on Population and Development|Inter-American Parliamentary Group on Population and Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution International Criminal Court|International Criminal Court]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Education Resources: Africa|International Education Resources: Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change|Integovernmental Panel on Climate Change]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Monetary Fund|International Monetary Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to MIMDES - Peru|MIMDES - Peru]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Ministry of Health - Spain|Ministry of Health - Spain]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Ministry Sernam - Chile|Ministry Sernam - Chile]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to NASA/CEOS|NASA/CEOS]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to OPEC|OPEC]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Open Society Institute And Soros Foundations Network|Open Society Institute And Soros Foundations Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to REBRIP|REBRIP]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to School Of Public Health And Community Medicine|School Of Public Health And Community Medicine]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to SESAME|SESAME]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The American Anti-Slavery Group|The American Anti-Slavery Group]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The American Jewish World Service|The American Jewish World Service]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The EU|The EU]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The European Commission|The European Commission]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The European Ombudsman|The European Ombudsman]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The European Parliament|The European Parliament]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Inter-European Parliamentary Forum on Population and Development|The Inter-European Parliamentary Forum on Population and Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The League of Arab States|The League of Arab States]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Organisation of African Unity|Organisation of African Unity]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Organisation of Islamic Conference|Organisation of Islamic Conference]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UN Foundation|UN Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Eco-Mayors|US Eco-Mayors]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Fish And Wildlife Service|US Fish And Wildlife Service]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Vatican|Vatican]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Australian Anglican Church|The Australian Anglican Church]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Bank|World Bank]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Education Ministries|Worldwide Education Ministries]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Health Organizations and Ministries|Worldwide Health Organizations and Ministries]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide Ministries of Foreign Affairs|Worldwide Ministries of Foreign Affairs]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Worldwide UN Permanent Missions|Worldwide UN Permanent Missions]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNIFEM|UNIFEM]]<br />
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== Non-Governmental Organisations ==<br />
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* [[Petition Distribution United Nations|United Nations]]<br />
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* [[Documant Distribution to CIEDUR|CIEDUR]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A Closer Walk|A Closer Walk]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A Contre Jour|A Contre Jour]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africa Population Institute|Africa Population Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Education Charity|African Education Charity]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Revival|African Revival]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africare|Africare]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AIDS Societies And Foundations Worldwide|AIDS Societies And Foundations Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Gore Repower America|Al Gore/Repower America]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to allAfrica.com|allAfrica.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AmeriCares|AmeriCares]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AMREF|AMREF]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Asian Human Rights Commission|Asian Human Rights Commission]] <br />
* [[Document Distribution to ASQH|ASQH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Assist International|Assist International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to AWID|AWID]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CAFRA|CAFRA]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Canadian Dev. Agency|Canadian Development Agency]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CDM|CDM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CIEG|CIEG]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CIUDADANÍA SX|CIUDADANÍA SX]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Cladem|Cladem]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Community H.E.A.R.T.|Community H.E.A.R.T.]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Concern Worldwide|Corncern Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Desmond Tutu Foundation|Desmond Tutu Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Direct Relief International|Direct Relief International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Charter Initiative|Earth Charter Initiative]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Hour|Earth Hour]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Earth Policy Institute|Earth Policy Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EarthTrends|EarthTrends]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to East Europe & Central Asia Union of PLWH|East Europe & Central Asia Union of PLWH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Eldis|Eldis]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Environmental Organizations Worldwide|Environmental Organizations Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Family India Foundation|Family India Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Food and Water Watch|Food and Water Watch]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN|Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Foundation Institute For Women|Foundation Institute For Women]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Friends of Earth|Friends of Earth]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Friends of Woodland Park Zoo Elephants (FOWPZE)|Friends of Woodland Park Zoo Elephants (FOWPZE)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Global Partners for Development|Global Partners for Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Global Population Speak Out|Global Population Speak Out]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Globus Relief|Globus Relief]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Growth is Madness|Growth is Madness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Heart to Heart International|Heart to Heart International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to HRSU UN|HRSU UN]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Human Rights Watch|Human Rights Watch]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to IMA World Health|IMA World Health]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International AIDS Society|International AIDS Society]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Children's Fund|International Children's Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Development Research Centre|International Development Research Centre]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Union for the Scientific Study of Population|International Union for the Scientific Study of Population]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Isis Internacional|Isis Internacional]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jacobs Foundation|Jacobs Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Kinship|Kinship]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Ladies Network|Ladies Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Land Care Niagara|Land Care Niagara]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Land Research Action Network|Land Research Action Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Life Competence-AVEDAS|Life Competence-AVEDAS]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Lola Mora Association|Lola Mora Association]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Medscape|Medscape]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to MEMCH|MEMCH]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mercy Corps|Mercy Corps]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mesa Global|Mesa Global]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mission Africa|Mission Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to National Wildlife Federation Action Fund|National Wildlife Federation Action Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Nelson Mandela AIDS Foundation 46664.com|Nelson Mandela AIDS Foundation 46664.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Nelson Mandela Foundation|Nelson Mandela Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ONE International|ONE International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Oneworld.net|Oneworld.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Optimum Population Trust|Optimum Population Trust]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Oxfam International|Oxfam International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pacific Wild|Pacific Wild]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Partners in Population and Development|Partners in Population and Development]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to PeopleandPlanet.net|PeopleandPlanet.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Action International|Population Action International]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Coalition|Population Coalition]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Connection|Population Connection]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Council|Population Council]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Foundation of India|Population Foundation of India]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Institute|Population Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Population Services International|Population Services International(PSI)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Project HOPE|Project HOPE]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Regional Conference on Women in Latin America and the Caribbean|Regional Conference on Women in Latin America and the Caribbean]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to REPEM|REPEM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to RIPPLE Africa|RIPPLE Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Save Darfur|Save Darfur]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Save The Children|Save The Children]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to SEPREM|SEPREM]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to SOS Childrens Villages|SOS Childrens Villages]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Thatu|Thatu]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Africa-America Institute|The Africa-America Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Butterfly Tree|The Butterfly Tree]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Energy and Research Institute|The Energy and Research Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The European AIDS Clinical Society (EACS)|The European AIDS Clinical Society (EACS)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Jane Goodall Institute|The Jane Goodall Institute]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Africa|Ambassadors for Nations in Africa]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Central and South Asia|Ambassadors for Nations in Central and South Asia]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in East Asia and Pacific|Ambassadors for Nations in East Asia and Pacific]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Eurasia|Ambassadors for Nations in Eurasia]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Europe|Ambassadors for Nations in Europe]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in Middle East|Ambassadors for Nations in Middle East]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the Nations in The Americas|Ambassadors for Nations in The Americas]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Natural Resources Defense Council|The Natural Resources Defense Council]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Sierra Club|The Sierra Club]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Starving Ocean|The Starving Ocean]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to the World Food Programme|World Food Programme]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNESCO|UNESCO]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to UNICEF|UNICEF]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Development Programme(UNDP)|United Nations Development Programme(UNDP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Economic Commission for Europe|United Nations Economic Commission for Europe]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Environment Programme(UNEP)|United Nations Environment Programme(UNEP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to United Nations Population Fund|United Nations Population Fund]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Agency for International Development|US Agency for International Development(USAID)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women and Health Collective|Women and Health Collective]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women and the Environment A.C|Women and the Environment A.C]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women Deliver| Women Deliver: Safe Motherhood]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women Thrive Worldwide|Women Thrive Worldwide]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women’s Development Network|Women’s Development Network]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Women's Autonomous Movement of Nicaragua (MAM)|Women's Autonomous Movement of Nicaragua]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Awareness|World Population Awareness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Balance|World Population Balance]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Population Foundation|World Population Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Refugees Organizations|World Refugees Organizations]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Overpopulation Awareness|Overpopulation Awareness]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EcoEarth.Info|EcoEarth.Info]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Forest Protection |Forest Protection]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Foundation For Deep Ecology|Foundation For Deep Ecology]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pacific Environment|Pacific Environment]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to EarthJustice|EarthJustice]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Amnesty International|Amnesty International]]<br />
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== Human Rights and Global Issues Activists and Movements ==<br />
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* [[Document Distribution to Angelina Joli|Angelina Jolie]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bob Geldof|Bob Geldof]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bono:U2|Bono:U2]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Boutros Ghali|Boutros Ghali]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Dr. Hans Hass|Dr. Hans Hass]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Dr. Joann Stone|Dr. Joann Stone]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Gert Mak|Gert Mak]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Gorbatchev Foundation|Gorbatchev Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jan Pronk|Jan Pronk]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Pete Murphy-openWindowPublishingCo.com-PeteMurphy.wordpress.co|Pete Murphy(OpenWindowPublishingCo.com and PeteMurphy.wordpress.com)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Elders Foundation|The Elders Foundation]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to World Fellowship of Buddhist Youth|World Fellowship of Buddhist Youth]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Zeitgeist-Project Venus|Zeitgeist-Project Venus]]</div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle/NS102:Petition_Distribution&diff=13070Special:Badtitle/NS102:Petition Distribution2010-10-24T14:40:34Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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== ADDRESSES, CONTACT DATA ==<br />
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* [[1 Countries|1 Countries]]<br />
* [[2 Organisations|2 Organisations]]<br />
* [[3 Women Associations|3 Women Associations]]<br />
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== Governments ==<br />
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* [[Petition Distribution Afghanistan|Afghanistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Albania|Albania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Algeria|Algeria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Angola|Angola]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Argentina|Argentina]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Armenia|Armenia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Aruba|Aruba]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Australia|Australia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Austria|Austria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Azerbaijan|Azerbaijan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bahrain|Bahrain]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bangladesh|Bangladesh]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belarus|Belarus]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belgium|Belgium]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Belize|Belize]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Benin|Benin]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bhutan|Bhutan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bolivia|Bolivia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bosnia|Bosnia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Botswana|Botswana]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Brazil|Brazil]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Bulgaria|Bulgaria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Burundi|Burundi]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Burkina Faso|Burkina Faso]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cambodia|Cambodia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cameroon|Cameroon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Canada|Canada]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cape Verde|Cape Verde]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Central African Republic|Central African Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Chile|Chile]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution China|China]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Colombia|Colombia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Congo|Congo]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Congo(RD)|Congo(RD)]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Costa Rica|Costa Rica]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Croatia|Croatia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cuba|Cuba]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Cyprus|Cyprus]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Czech Republic|Czech Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Denmark|Denmark]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Djibouti|Djibouti]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Dominican Republic|Dominican Republic]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ecuador|Ecuador]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Egypt|Egypt]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Estonia|Estonia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ethiopia|Ethiopia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution France|France]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution France outre-mer|France outre mer]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Finland|Finland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Gabon|Gabon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Gambia|Gambia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Georgia|Georgia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Germany|Germany]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ghana|Ghana]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Greece|Greece]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Guinea Bissau|Guinea Bissau]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Guinee Conakry|Guinee Conakry]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Honduras|Honduras]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Hong Kong|Hong Kong]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Hungary|Hungary]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iceland|Iceland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution India|India]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution India 2|India2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Indonesia|Indonesia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iran|Iran]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Iraq|Iraq]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ireland|Ireland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Israel|Israel]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Italy|Italy]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ivory Coast|Ivory Coast]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Jamaica|Jamaica]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Japan|Japan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kazakhstan|Kazakhstan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kenya|Kenya]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Koweit|Koweit]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Kyrgyzstan|Kyrgyzstan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Latvia|Latvia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lao|Lao]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lesotho|Lesotho]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Libanon|Libanon]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Liberia|Liberia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Libya|Libya]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Lithuania|Lithuania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Luxembourg|Luxemburg]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Macedonia|Macedonia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Madagascar|Madagascar]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malaysia|Malaysia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malawi|Malawi]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mali|Mali]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Malta|Malta]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Marocco|Marocco]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mauritania|Mauritania]]<br />
* [[petition Distribution Mexico|Mexico]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mongolia|Mongolia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Mozambique|Mozambique]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Myanmar(Burma)|Myanmar(Burma)]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Namibia|Namibia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nepal|Nepal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution New Zealand|New Zealand]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nicaragua|Nicaragua]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Nigeria|Nigeria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Niger|Niger]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Niger2|Niger2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution North Korea|North Korea]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Norway|Norway]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Oman|Oman]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Pakistan|Pakistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Pakistan2|Pakistan2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Panama|Panama]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Paraguay|Paraguay]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Peru|Peru]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines|Philippines]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines2|Philippines2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Philippines3|Philippines3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Poland|Poland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Portugal|Portugal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Puerto Rico|Puerto Rico]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Quatar|Quatar]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Romania|Romania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Russia|Russia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Rwanda|Rwanda]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Salvador|Salvador]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Saudi Arabia|Saudi Arabia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Scotland|Scotland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Senegal|Senegal]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Serbia|Serbia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sierra Leone|Sierra Leone]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore|Singapore]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore2|Singapore2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore3|Singapore3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Singapore4|Singapore4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Slovakia|Slovakia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Slovenia|Slovenia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Somalia|Somalia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa|South Africa]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa2|South Africa2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa3|South Africa3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa4|South Africa4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Africa5|South Africa5]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution South Korea|South Korea]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Spain|Spain]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sri Lanka|Sri Lanka]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sudan|Sudan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Suriname|Suriname]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Sweden|Sweden]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Switzerland|Switzerland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Syria|Syria]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Swaziland|Swaziland]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tadjikistan|Tadjikistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tanzania|Tanzania]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tchad|Tchad]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Thailand|Thailand]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Taiwan|Taiwan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution The Netherlands|The Netherlands]] <br />
* [[Petition Distribution Togo|Togo]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Trinidad & Tobago|Trinidad & Tobago]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Tunisia|Tunisia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey|Turkey]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey2|Turkey2]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkey3|Turkey3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Turkmenistan|Turkmenistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uganda|Uganda]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United Kingdom|United Kingdom]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America|United States of America]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 2|United States of America 2 - Petition Delivery Per Post: Continuation]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 3|United States of America 3]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United States of America 4|United States of America 4]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Ukraine|Ukraine]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution United Arab Emirates|United Arab Emirates]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uruguay|Uruguay]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Uzbekistan|Uzbekistan]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Venezuela|Venezuela]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Vietnam|Vietnam]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Wales|Wales]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Yemen|Yemen]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Zambia|Zambia]]<br />
* [[Petition Distribution Zimbabwe|Zimbabwe]]<br />
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== Newspapers, Radio & TV Stations, Blogs, Forums ==<br />
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* [[Document Distribution to American Bar Association Journal|American Bar Association Journal]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ABC News|ABC News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to A and E Television Networks|A and E Television Networks]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Africa Action|Africa Action]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to African Newspapers And News Media|African Newspapers And News Media]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Aftonbladet Sweden|Aftonbladet Sweden]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Agence France-Presse (AFP)|Agence France-Presse (AFP)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Jazeera Arabic|Al Jazeera Arabic]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Al Jazeera English|Al Jazeera English]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to America Magazine|America Magazine]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Anderson Independent Mail|Anderson Independent Mail]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Anthropology News|Anthropology News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to BBC|BBC]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Bloomberg|Bloomberg]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Channel 4 News|Channel 4 News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to City Population|City Population - The Major Cities & Agglomerations of the World]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CJB.NET(Trilightzone)|CJB.NET(Trilightzone)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to CNN.cm|CNN.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to C-Span|C-Span]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America|Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Daily Mail|Daily Mail]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Democracy Now!|Democracy Now!]]<br />
* [[Die Heinrich Böll Stiftung Deutschland|Die Heinrich Böll Stiftung Deutschland]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Discovery Channels|Discovery Channels]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Fox News|Fox News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to France 24|France 24]]<br />
* [[Institute For Development Studies|Institute For Development Studies]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to International Federation of Journalists|International Federation of Journalists(IFJ)]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to IslamOnline.net|IslamOnline.net]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ITN News|ITN News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ITV News|ITV News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Jewish Voice For Peace|Jewish Voice For Peace]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mail On Sunday|Mail On Sunday]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mail Online|Mail Online]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Mediaweek|Mediaweek]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to MSNBC TV|MSNBC TV]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to NBC News| NBC News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to News 5|News 5]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Press TV|Press TV]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Radio Free Europa(Radio Liberty)|Radio Liberty]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Reading Islam.com|Reading Islam.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Reuters|Reuters]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to ScienceDirect|ScienceDirect]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Sky News|Sky News]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Society of Environmental Journalists|Society of Environmental Journalists]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The African Press Organization|The African Press Organization]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Ecologist|The Ecologist]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Hunger Site|The Hunger Site]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Japan Times|The Japan Times]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to The Salt Lake Tribune|The Salt Lake Tribune]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to University-College.com|University-College.com]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to US Newspapers|US Newspapers]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to USATODAY|USATODAY]]<br />
* [[Document Distribution to Wall Street Journal|Wall Street Journal]]<br />
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== MARCEL said ... ==<br />
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IT IS WONDERFUL WE CAN LISTEN TO CONTACT NOTES OF BILLY MEIER IN AUDIO MP3 FORMAT . KEEP DOING A GOOD JOB GUYS , CONGRATULATIONS FOR THIS BILLY MEIER WEBSITE !!!<br />
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--MARCEL 07:10, 26 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Paul Sonnenholzner said ... ==<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--Paul Sonnenholzner 10:22, 30 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Paul Lowrance said ... ==<br />
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Your great efforts are very much appreciated! Thanks so much for helping to spread the information.<br />
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--Paul Lowrance 14:59, 18 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Narayan S Kudtarkar said ... ==<br />
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This is Just Awesome..I just want These people to come ..Come and show us .disclose us abt their secret.They r the God..Supreme<br />
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--Narayan S Kudtarkar 11:39, 27 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Lazy.lady said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for all the effort it takes to maintain this website and keep it up to date. I recognized the alphabet used by James Rollins in a couple of his books. I would assume he at least has visited this site but also may be a member. His adventures are legandary and his clarification of th ethe truth surrounding his stories is much appreciated. the haunting look in his eyes in his pictures was captivating so I have to ask two questions. Is he a memeber and is he one of those that are already here. what about Obama who appears to be an ego maniac as you described Bush. Is he also one of those already here?? Ahat about the TV series "V" that protrays the image of the reptile skinned humanoids? It appears to be a preparation for people to accept the idea of Aliens and aslo the symbols in the Gallery are suggestive of crop circles. Are they th epurpose for them? can we download and print them in a separate file?? thanks for your constand updates and for making all this knowledge public. Joyce<br />
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--[[User:Lazy.lady|Lazy.lady]] 19:53, 17 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Joyce,<br />
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What do you mean with "one of those already here" ? - If you mean a human being from an other planet, then the answer is no.<br />
I also do not know if James Rollins is a FIGU member...... The series "V" is already old and the current one is a remake of the one from the 80's or 90's. Some probably already got back then strange ideas concerning the "reptilian" race and "interdimensional" control of normal human beings...... It does not work like that. But yes, some earth artists got impulses of advanced extraterrestrials to counteract the religions and to make drawings and movies, that what we call "science <<fiction>>", to prepare the Terran race for the first arrival...... but at the moment, this first planned "arrival" got posponed for many many years...... concernng one race, so it is still possible that others arrive unexpectedly though....<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:53, 21 October 2010 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Great_Pyramid&diff=12898Talk:The Great Pyramid2010-10-09T18:15:33Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Tk said ... ==<br />
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The answer given that is said to come from Billy<br />
is hard to belieave.The answer states that the Pyramids were built for protection and a shelter. Any person that has visited Egypt like i have or know of there history will know that that answer is Ridiculous !! I have been in the Pyrimids and its almost entirely stone and only have small passages that leads to the burial chamber which can only hold about 60 people plus the Hieroglyphics in the Pyrimids tell you that it was built as a tomb for the Pharaohs so its No way possible it could have been built as a shelter. Its obvious that someone other than Billy gave that answer and whom every posted that answer should never post again because mistakes like that makes people believe that all of the information on the website is untrue. Please explain this answer with proof it was answered by Billy. My email address is uniqueinvestmenttk@gmail.com. Also the part where the person who asked the question says the Pyrimids were built 73,000 years ago is also very untrue. Please explain !<br />
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--[[User:Tk|Tk]] 08:50, 8 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Tk, everything changes through time. Agree? Did it not occur to you that the interior, exterior or both could have changed considerably over the long 73,000 years the great pyramid is said to have existed? <br />
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The great big stones that the pyramids consists of would be difficult to move or replace one would naturally think however there could exist or have existed large caverns beneath the pyramids that would serve as larger storage or living areas with the pyramids themselves serving as observation points. <br />
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When considering the age of the structure, 73,000 years ago is possible I would say. Do we have an accurate method of measuring the age of stone yet? Carbon dating perhaps? What stone or stones should be used for the measurement? A central block perhaps, deep inside the pyramid? Has this been done yet?<br />
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The reason why it was built may be different. I might verify it and post it again.<br />
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Many questions lie unanswered so neither you nor anyone should come to conclusions so easily and hastily, don't you agree?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 19:58, 8 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Well this page already says that it was built for protection reasons. [[Asket's Explanations - Part 4]] talks about it further.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:04, 8 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Tk, pyramids are rather tricky like a Rubix Cube only in a different dimensional configuration I think I saw that on Stargate or was it Indiana Jones. I think some may be exactly as is but some might have been altered a bit so some folks don't utilize it's many other possible capabilities. :) There could be tons of secret passages that have been touched up because how did the Giza get all the way down below the pyramid to there mighty station of evil? I'm sure our good space buddies have done a nice job fixing that possible dilemma or they have some real good super glue. Just make sure there are no Giza underneath your pyramid and don't accidently trigger a wrong block or who knows the dangers. j/k To answer you question of course it could have been a shelter back then I'm sure they would rather live than have a 5 star deluxe size suite with all the fixings. I'm also certain if the pyramid interior was as small as you say only the high and mighty or highly ranked and wealthy found there way into the pyramid for protection. It's absolutely logical in that sense if you mean Tk that if they could fit the entire population at that time most likely not. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:50, 8 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Tk said ... ==<br />
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Hello Jamesm & Markvd<br />
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Thank you 2 for the response. I want to first say i love how you 2 support Billy's work and statements. It shows he has strong support and believers. I did'nt think i would get a answer to that tough question. However since i like Billy and i am fascinated with his work im going to get on the bus with you 2 on this one even though i dont completely agree with the answer but a lot of things in life are very hard to understand. If you 2 ever get a chance to go to Egypt you will clearly see and understand my argument. Also im going to try to except the age of 73,000 years even though that would mean that the egyptions did'nt build them which also would mean that it was built before the Atlantians or the Lamurians which according to Billy if I'm not wrong was on the earth 50,000 years ago. See now where I'm comming from, something is'nt adding up ! However since I have talked to Wendelle Stevens in the past who strongly supports Billy and i trust Wendelle I'm going to get on this bus ride with you'all and hope we are going in the right direction. Thank You again for responding.<br />
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--[[User:Tk|Tk]] 10:14, 9 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Tk, did you consider that you could hide underneath a pyramid when a comet strike is impending? Or can you come up with a better hideout in the area of Egypt?<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 16:19, 9 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Sanjin and Tk,<br />
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I was thinking of what you said and indeed a pyramid is an architectural masterpiece. Because of its shape it concentrates the highest weight in the middle of the rectangele and because of the bigger aeria on the bottom it must have also with this weight an immense frictional force/resistance aainst displacements and thus it could resist forces from nature such like tsunamis, overfloodings and earthquakes ect........ Also because of it's even surface and peak it does not give a chance to water to exerce its erosion power in full force........ The aeria around the cheops and Gizeh pyramid is mostly flat so actually a good replacement/compesation for mountains....<br />
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You are right Tk, the truth is not that what everybody wants to hear, me included :), but about what is real. It is like one does not see behind the horizon of our earth, but behind the horizon, other humans very well exist and animals..... we do not see them but we know that they are there....... from hearing or from the own experience.....<br />
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That is part of your personal work, so that it will "add up" - The Plejarens and Billy gave us enough of homework to do for many thousand years ;). But i am confident that you will find your way out ;)<br />
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Salome<br />
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Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 19:15, 9 October 2010 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Giza_Intelligences&diff=12687Talk:Giza Intelligences2010-09-18T12:57:29Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== aliens said ... ==<br />
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did anyone know?<br />
How were the Plejarens able to arrest the Bafath and then remove all their equipment from under the Giza pyramid in year of 1978?<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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If a degenerate human like I can read the Goblet of Truth and find the truth anybody can!There exists many higher evolved Humans in this Universe who know only shame because they won't find the truth and live according to the laws and recommendations of creation.Shame on you!<br />
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== newinitiation said ... ==<br />
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Since Hitler was influenced by the Giza Intel through the Thule society, some of the Thule society members would had to have been the GI themselves.<br />
The mass exodus of former SS members to Antarctica and South America suggests that some elements were Thule society members, with the escape before the great defeat in submarines, being directed by GI and safe haven provided for the escaping Nazis by them.<br />
I can recall an account by surviving members of the American contingents who's mission was to track down the Nazis in Antarctica being confronted with some heinous beasts guarding the entrance of the subterranean base.<br />
Some were unlucky to have met their deadly fate by these hairy animals.<br />
Since it is an undeniable fact that GI and Nazis had direct face to face contact and have collaborated in various projects together not in the least, the assassination attempts on Billy, UFO abductions of people, posing as venusians and martians and giving false information to the unsuspecting, preparing for the second coming of Christ, perpetuating satanism and satanic ritualistic practices on the unsuspecting public and telenotically influencing future would be cult leaders such as billy graham, ron hubbard, jim jones, reverend moon, Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1928-1985) among scores of other world leaders to start a third world war, one can only wonder whether the neo nazi earth humans that comprised the 2000 odd extraterrestrial GI members had also been deported to extraterrestrial prison planets given their associations with GI.<br />
It does give weight to this possibility<br />
Just thinking about the so numerous machinations perpetrated by the GI just evokes nothing but disdainful contempt and perplexity at how all this was even true in the first place yet it is without a doubt the unequivocal truth.<br />
Unless the beautiful plejarens were the reason, I cannot fathom how the GIs would've missed the simple logic of not using their telenotic mind control devices to influence the whole world's population rather than just the many hundreds of leaders and would be cult leaders.<br />
If they did try then would the telenotic influence or its after effects still linger with those of us born before the GIs deportation because it seems like the people who've killed the most human beings are the ones born before 1978 the year of GIs departure and the destruction of their installations.<br />
Its also obvious that GI members were freely walking among the earth humans as also the ashtar sheran group.<br />
Would this be the reason why to this day many people still assert that ETs are among us in governments and so on.<br />
If Eisenhower never met any ETs then what about GI members who the plejarens would consider terrestrial given how long they've been here on earth.<br />
This also begs the question, since the plejarens and billy cannot discuss military matters, the assertion that Billy is the only face to face contactee in the world and that people did have examination and telepathic contacts does not extend to military personnels, then obviously some members of the military did have close encounters of the 5th kind.<br />
This begs another question were the GIs responsible for bringing down the zeti reticulum android controlled UFOs and few others around the world<br />
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It isn't too tough to confuse anybody on our planet with there main objectives being money, power, military might. Anyone from outer space could promise these things and we would be slaves. I think we need to find the more important things in life like the knowledge that has been brought to us 7 times by many prophets. If it is as they say taking this knowledge through many lifetimes is a priceless gift which no material possession can compare to. <br />
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They certainly haven't returned but they maybe still have adepts around the world, who still think that their bosses are here and pulling the strings, who knows what these Gizeh liers promised them....... They were real deceivers and they always tried to hide themselves from the public, because they were afraid of the governments. If they really returned my dear Kevin, you would not know it, unless yourself would be one of them..... or they would invade our planet with their beam ships in the first place, because their initial plan did not work, even they worked on it for many thousand years :) And where should they hide ? the cave under the Gizeh pyramid was destroyed by the Plejaren and meanwhile such a thing would not go unnoticed anymore by our governments or by us because with the overpopulation no m2 is without eyes (organic or electronic) anymore, unless you have such a high technology as the Plejaren or the Sonaer from the DAL universe.....Anyway we are strong enough and intelligent enough to protect us if we only let our reason and intellect guide us.... <br />
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It is sad but true, but some extraterrestrial civilisations have higher technology than we have, but are still in the very dark concerning the evolution of their consciousness and ethical values.... May they find their way....<br />
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http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2006/nr-25/matters-of-extraterrestrials?page=0,0<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 13:57, 18 September 2010 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=12429Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2010-09-05T13:55:41Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 14:55, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_change_-_The_facts_and_an_important_Plea&diff=12278Talk:Climate change - The facts and an important Plea2010-08-26T10:56:22Z<p>Neckel: Comment provided by Neckel - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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I have the greatest gratitude for BEAM because he decided to bring The Goblet of Truth and make it available to all/everyone sooner (2010) rather than later (2017) as was the original plan. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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He decided to bring Kelch der Wahrheit sooner? Why is that?<br />
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--Alive 18:56, 12 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Reg said ... ==<br />
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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!<br />
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--Reg 13:15, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Reg said ... ==<br />
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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!<br />
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--Reg 13:43, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Michael Vanderpool said ... ==<br />
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Thank you Weis. This is an outstanding article, I learned some new information from it that is profound. I appreciate your efforts, and insight. Climate change and it's affect on food supply, and so many other things is upon us, and if we don't waken up to that, we cannot begin to change things for the better.<br />
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A very well thought out article Nicholas. A very logical approach and explanation of the situation. I've corrected the grammar where I thought possible. But since I only scored an average grade C in English language at school I would not consider it perfect (yes I know nothing is perfect in this universe.... :D)<br />
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Thank you dear James Webmaster for your Help and Thank you for the flowers. ;))<br />
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Salome and peace and Harmony be with you all.<br />
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== Selena said ... ==<br />
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Hi Jemesm.<br />
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I would like to know who wrote this article. Who is NW and from where is he? Thanks.<br />
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I also read the article of the need of always telling the truth, always. Namely, lets suppose that, for instance, Hitler's Nazis are searching for a little Jewish girl, lets say 14 year old, who escaped them and, accidentally, hid in my house and I accidentally saw that. The these bloodthirsty cruel German soldiers knock on my door and ask me if I saw a little Jewish girl hiding from them. They also tell me that when they find her, they are going to take her to the concentration camp, gang-rape her, torture her and then kill her. Is it the right thing to tell the truth also in cases like this? <br />
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== Schantz said ... ==<br />
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Selena,<br />
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Have you seen this article?<br />
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Should One Always Tell The Truth No Matter What?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_28<br />
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Selena, Nicholas Weis (Neckel) is probably somewhere in mainland Europe right now, he is a Passive Member of FIGU. <br />
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As for your second question, are you testing me? :) Of course you should protect the girl even if it means telling an untruth/lie because saving a life is more important than to tell the truth in every such case.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Dear Selena,<br />
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..... All depends on the situation and the priorities involved.<br />
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In your mentionned case, to save life is the priority, so lying is needed in this case because it serves one creational law, namely to save good life. One can not compare this situation to a daily situation in a normal life. Lying is most often used in our normal days to deceive others because it masks/shields the own personality.......... it is seldom used for the good cause. There are also those who lie because of many reasons which are impossibla to all mention them here. If you read this from my articles ? then i will correct it, because apparently it leads to confusion. "Wortgläubigkeit" (to believe in words without thinking of the meaning and all its implications as well as its implicated values) should be avoided.<br />
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Thank you Schantz for the article.<br />
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Salome<br />
Nicolas<br />
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== Selena said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Schantz, Jemesm and Nackel! M<br />
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My English is not very good so I guess I have misunderstood the article the first time around I have read it. I have just read it again and this time it made a perfect sense. No, Jemesm, I wasn't testing you, when I have read the article first time around I thought it said one has to tell the truth no matter what. Sorry for misunderstanding! Thank you all!<br />
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I have another question for you guys. I hope you don't get offended by it! I have also recently read what BEAM or someone from FIGU wrote about N1H1 - Swine Flue, how big of a problem it is going to become. But it turned out to be just a scam, done by World Health Organization, United Nations, governments and paharmaceutical industry.<br />
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Did one that wrote that article made opinion based just on government propaganda, was it a mistake, concealment of the truth, or an unintentional lie? Were Playarens consulted about that Swine Flue (scam) and what was really going on? Because some insiders revealed that N1H1 vaccines were contaminated with squelene, mercury and other DNA damaging substances, and substances causing sterility and infertility. They also revealed that this was a deliberate attempt of a genocide of global proportions. This would also confirm why government officials were given other type of vaccines. Medical industry now plans to use those unused N1H1 vaccines as vaccines against seasonal flue. But I still remember when those N1H1 vaccines came out last year, WHO said that these vaccines don't work against seasonal flue because it is of a different type. <br />
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What is your opinion or info about that?<br />
Thanks! <br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Selena,<br />
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Good question, we are all humans, also in FIGU which are prone to errors, but we (also in daily life) try to limit the errors as much as possible by first thinking before talking ;P. FIGU also has no access to all the information from the Plejaren but merely to the information the earth humans can digest...... and work with. As far as i know there was an article by someone of FIGU maybe Billy that "revealed that N1H1 vaccines were contaminated with squelene, mercury and other DNA damaging substances, and substances causing sterility and infertility" if my memory serves me well - this was however not true for all the vaccines concerning H1N1 or the new swine/bird flue which followed after ...... the governments in EU made big propaganda to get rid of their vaccines..... Also from Dr. friends i know that not all vaccines were harmless....... It is however a difficult question and it should be refrained from telling persons to take or not take a vaccine, this can only be done if one is 100% sure, because if it goes bad and a person dies because she or he did not take the vaccine from swine/bird flue, then the "Supergau" is preprogrammed. In the opposite is also true, if one tells someone to take a vaccine and he takes it but then he suffers from such bad side effects that he could die, then the one who gave the advice is again the idiot....... This does not only refer to vaccines but to many medical things of us earth barbarians.......<br />
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Salome<br />
Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 11:56, 26 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Neckelhttps://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_change_-_The_facts_and_an_important_Plea&diff=12274Talk:Climate change - The facts and an important Plea2010-08-26T07:49:41Z<p>Neckel: </p>
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I have the greatest gratitude for BEAM because he decided to bring The Goblet of Truth and make it available to all/everyone sooner (2010) rather than later (2017) as was the original plan. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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He decided to bring Kelch der Wahrheit sooner? Why is that?<br />
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== Reg said ... ==<br />
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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!<br />
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--Reg 13:15, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Reg said ... ==<br />
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Concerning all pages like this one. Please divide this almost endless reading in small chapters with small headings. It makes these pages easier to read. Thank You!<br />
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--Reg 13:43, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Michael Vanderpool said ... ==<br />
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Thank you Weis. This is an outstanding article, I learned some new information from it that is profound. I appreciate your efforts, and insight. Climate change and it's affect on food supply, and so many other things is upon us, and if we don't waken up to that, we cannot begin to change things for the better.<br />
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--Michael Vanderpool 20:23, 15 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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A very well thought out article Nicholas. A very logical approach and explanation of the situation. I've corrected the grammar where I thought possible. But since I only scored an average grade C in English language at school I would not consider it perfect (yes I know nothing is perfect in this universe.... :D)<br />
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Thanks<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Thank you dear James Webmaster for your Help and Thank you for the flowers. ;))<br />
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Salome and peace and Harmony be with you all.<br />
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== Selena said ... ==<br />
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Hi Jemesm.<br />
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I would like to know who wrote this article. Who is NW and from where is he? Thanks.<br />
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I also read the article of the need of always telling the truth, always. Namely, lets suppose that, for instance, Hitler's Nazis are searching for a little Jewish girl, lets say 14 year old, who escaped them and, accidentally, hid in my house and I accidentally saw that. The these bloodthirsty cruel German soldiers knock on my door and ask me if I saw a little Jewish girl hiding from them. They also tell me that when they find her, they are going to take her to the concentration camp, gang-rape her, torture her and then kill her. Is it the right thing to tell the truth also in cases like this? <br />
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== Schantz said ... ==<br />
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Selena,<br />
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Have you seen this article?<br />
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Should One Always Tell The Truth No Matter What?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_28<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Selena, Nicholas Weis (Neckel) is probably somewhere in mainland Europe right now, he is a Passive Member of FIGU. <br />
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As for your second question, are you testing me? :) Of course you should protect the girl even if it means telling an untruth/lie because saving a life is more important than to tell the truth in every such case.<br />
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Dear Selena,<br />
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..... All depends on the situation and the priorities involved.<br />
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In your mentionned case, to save life is the priority, so lying is needed in this case because it serves one creational law, namely to save good life. One can not compare this situation to a daily situation in a normal life. Lying is most often used in our normal days to deceive others because it masks/shields the own personality.......... it is seldom used for the good cause. There are also those who lie because of many reasons which are impossibla to all mention them here. If you read this from my articles ? then i will correct it, because apparently it leads to confusion. "Wortgläubigkeit" (to believe in words without thinking of the meaning and all its implications as well as its implicated values) should be avoided.<br />
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Thank you Schantz for the article.<br />
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Salome<br />
Nicolas<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:38, 26 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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