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<div>[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the "interconnections" being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also "interconnects' with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.<br />
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Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a "podium" of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have "interconnectivity" to these beings.<br />
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Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all '''potentials''' - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”<br />
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There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. <br />
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By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.<br />
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“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”<br />
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Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.<br />
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Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.<br />
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One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed<br />
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"Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death."<br />
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How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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These are just my opinions: <br />
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- Alive and dead are the states of one's body, not one's spirit, since his spirit is always on.<br />
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- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. <br />
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- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation's energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.<br />
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- I do not know what Creation's energy is and I want go to bed now.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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My second thought. Gilgamesh's new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond."<br />
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Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life's point of view the death is the end, but from his future life's point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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"If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death."<br />
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Human's anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.<br />
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The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state's support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God's mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. <br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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I agree with most everything you say, Alive. However, i’ll say this: stored information is accessible to all and everyone regardless of whether you have experienced the knowledge or information you need or are seeking. The thing to remember is that we are all ONE with Consciousness. Everyone’s personal experiences are contributing to the whole of Consciousness (consciousness being the action of Creation itself). Thus not only you can access your information, but all of us are naturally and continually accessing everyone else’s stored information as a contribution to the whole and to the expansion of Consciousness. <br />
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On another note, if choosing to consciously connect with any of the information existing within Consciousness (astral travel, hypnoses, or some other means), to some of us, it becomes a matter of how you translate this information which makes any difference. <br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 02:27, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Hi Carsch,<br />
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Where did you get the information that someone could access someone else's storage bank? If someone accesses my storage I will call it bank robbery. It is the most dirty crime and should be punished immediately without waiting a court's decision.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:12, 12 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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LOL Alive, there is nothing to hide. We all share that which exists within Consciousness - because we are ONE with it. What you think of as your privacy is only steaming from your personal beliefs. All is being shared even when you don't think it's happening. In fact, you are already using part of what others have learned and accumulated through their own personal experiences. Much of our inspiration ideas comes from that.<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:35, 13 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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By the way, the Pleiadeans (among other people and individuals) are able to tap into that pool of information, for they can know your past, present, and future probabilites and everything else you've done. So why would you want to punish them? :D<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:56, 13 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Hi Adam,<br />
Nice little translation. I just would like to make a couple of suggestions for improvement if I may:<br />
- sich mit dem dem Tod befassen (second paragraph) means to deal with it, to concern yourself with it.<br />
- Jenseits = the other world, and Jenseitsbereich = realm of the other world (figu dict)<br />
- "wahrnehmung der Verantwordung" (two typos). It is spelled 'Wahrnehmung der Verantwortung', which means 'to exercise/recognise ones responsibility'. So the translation should be:'Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the exercising of ones responsibility towards life and towards death.'<br />
- "Dies ist jedoch keine Todesbegleitung, sondern nur eine Sterbebegleitung,..." = This is not death-care but rather only terminal care/end-of-life care (there's no escort agency involved here! ;-))<br />
- überdauern ´perpetuate (figu dict)<br />
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Kind regards and Salome,<br />
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--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]), Australia, 11:12, 22 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Sunshine said ... ==<br />
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Hi Alive,<br />
You said: "How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?". I would say in that circumstance he only cares about his material body and takes a cowardly way out of life. Taking an early exit to avoid the suffering increases the chances of the new personality in the next life having to suffer in a similar circumstance. So my understanding is, if I bravely endure the suffering in this life, a box is ticked in the big list of things we have to experience in order to get to a life without body, which means, that hopefully the suffering in the next life will be lesser.<br />
I don't think the ego perfects itself in many life times. If I remember correctly, we have a new personality/ego in every life, which serves the learning and evolution of the spirit consciousness...<br />
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--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]), 11:27, 22 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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Hi Vibka Walder,<br />
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I just want to let you know that Alive and Dead had gone through the great process of becoming and fading away (Werden und Vergehen). They are not what they were. They have become new personalities with no memory of their past. So they will no longer reply any message concerning their opinions in this website. <br />
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--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]), Endless Desert, 10:15, 23 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Allah please reveal thyself.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] ([[User talk:Jamesm|talk]]), 20:45, 23 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Allah. said ... ==<br />
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Bingo !<br />
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--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]), Endless Desert, 04:18, 24 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Vibka thanks for your corrections. I have applied them to the article. Please can you confirm that they are the intended ones? Would you like to have edit permissions on all articles? I would grant it you as I know your honesty and ability at translations are undeniable.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] ([[User talk:Jamesm|talk]]), 17:55, 24 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Sunshine said ... ==<br />
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Allah, it doesn't matter, whether anyone replies to my comments or not. I have done it for the benefit of future readers, trying to stop the teaching from being falsified...<br />
James, thank you for your offering me permission to edit articles, because it would make it easier if I stumble across something. But don't expect much input from me, as my priority is our correction work here in Australia. <br />
I have noticed that you have made some changes to this one, but that you missed others. There is no such thing as a death-escort or dying escort. Sterbebegleitung is simply called 'terminal care' or 'end-of-life care'.<br />
Salome,<br />
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--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]), 21:28, 27 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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one alternative is you should think positivly (and truthfully) about the future. <br />
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--[[User:LorisHemlof|LorisHemlof]] ([[User talk:LorisHemlof|talk]]), 21:41, 1 August 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Recommend one should strive to interface and communicate with both of their material and non-material attributes so that they become b-e-I-n-g in creational endeavors instead of just living their daily life walking about like zombies trying to keep that needle balanced in the neutral zone with no regard to the world around them.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 17:51, 2 August 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Frank said ... ==<br />
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What Billy is saying here is no more than what all of us know but dont practice.....this to me is just another distraction to DOING what I believe should be done. Talking a good game is just that! a good talk....everyone has this abillity.....next!<br />
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To Frank: So why DID you post anything here at all? get back to work! (just being frank.) <br />
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.... only those that really understood behave after their knowledge..... "Wenn es in Fleisch und Blut übergeht".....<br />
Honestly :) globally we do not much better behave than our ancestors the romans, or the european settlers that came to north/south america, in an ethical, moral and human way, only the methods changed and our doing is better covered and disguised and hided also because of our sophisticated media and entertainment industry..... therefore the majority only sees 30 % of what is really happening in the world. To say: "We know all this, but no one is practicing it." is only a cheap excuse with double meaning. For one we think we already know everything, but in reality we did not understand anything. Second one presumes that all the others know it but do not do anything, so why should i do something, because one alone can not do anything,..... what an illusion and a simple excuse to continue like before.<br />
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By the way, we are not only talking here but also living it. :)<br />
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OM Kanon 32 Vers 106. "Ueber wertlose Dinge macht der Mensch grossen Lärm und grosses Geschrei, über die Weisheit und Wahrheit und über das Wissen und die Liebe schweigt er, denn durch sine Dummheit erkennt er ihren grossen Wert nicht."<br />
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Quick translation of that quote:<br />
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"About worthless things the human makes big noise and big outcry; about the wisdom and truth and the knowledge and the love he's silent, because due to his stupidity he does not recognise their great value."<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I know when I first read the contact reports I was a bit skeptical as well Frank. I thought what the hell are they doing about any of these problems. I think everybody that reads something can interpret it in a different way. I presume that your meaning of "DOING" is for Billy and his Plejaren friends to fix all our wrongs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read many times Billy ask his Plejaren friends to try and intervene or if they could do something. It's like the people of today, they do something wrong and don't man up to it. If people would take responsibility rather than finding a bailout plan every time they do wrong, our world would be better. WE have to create and shape our own world. I find it rather laughable that we want to advance in technology and fly into space when our current living quarters has a lot of growing up to do. <br />
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I recognized the problems of over population at a young age and detrimed that I would not produce any offspring. If even half the population would do this we as humans would be on the right path to saving our own existance. There are many children who are orphans and if one can not live without children this is a good choice to make. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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After reading many of your posting, besides BEAM's and the Plejaren contact notes along with some personal observations, one has concluded that Earth humans as well as others, through its various stages of evolution(s), be it re-incarnations of both Earthly, Lyrian and other advanced ET's that encompass a rather inter-mixed, inter-related web of intricate relationship(s) that connects each entity whether material or non-material, each has certain "potentials", depending on the quality parameters that shaped it's existence on the value of it's positive and/or negative connections that will equally determine its evolutionary rate through the Cause & Effect or the Not-Cause & Not-Effect criteria.<br />
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It's this inter-change between fine and material energies that are "normally" conditioned to evolve naturally by Creational parameters, but evolution will often be determined by other avenues if violations continue without the proper logical and humane intervention by the powers to be that have the authority to ensure balance and harmony. This route for those having to fend for themselves are available when they recognize and couple their "equational potentials" to bring about the necessary changes in order to address the wrongs, manipulation, exploitation of generations of abuse.<br />
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True, the Earth population as a whole is not a prime candidate for such attributes, but certainly not only the prophets have these characteristics as well, some outside of these parameters have the necessary "equational potentials" to focus such energies that do have the proper pre-requisites to illicit a discharge that will balance the unequal forces which have plagued Earth for so long. <br />
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Such examples have already been utilized by the Orions, who first build the Egyptian pyramids finishing the top section by coupling their telekinstics abilities.<br />
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Then you have a more recent, yet intriguing event described on pages 7-10 by a former US Army remote viewer named Lyn Buchanan in "The Seventh Sense", when provoked by a fellow soldier who sabotaged his computer presentation to his NATO commanders during the cold war era. Buchanan's anger shut down the entire NATO and Warsaw pact's computer intelligence network, which if true, does indeed indicate the "potential" yet to be discovered in other Earth humans.<br />
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However, caution should be warned to those seeking evil manipulation of such "potentials", for feedback does occur with very destructive results. Maybe when this becomes a threat to other non-Earthlings, then intervention may occur, but need that be the case if properly and logically examined by those that have the technology?<br />
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The Plejaren and their allies are already, in a more passive way, engaging in the Peace Meditation process, but has have little effect on the insane behaviors on Earth. We have witness the passive effects on the Giza intelligences, who still wreaked havoc in spite of such measures, but only when physically removed, then their evil ways stopped, but its deadly effects continue for another 200-300 years. Maybe its time for more drastic measures that really addresses the root of the problems? And it does not require direct intervention, just the proper "impulses" and appropriate protective inputs as described above in the "web of intricate inter-connections" that are also linked within dimensions through the Cause and Effect relationships.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I read your latest comment and was wondering if what you meant was that Earth humanity should be given certain abilites such as telekinesis, mind reading, future interpretation, that they should use it to help man or should these be given to certain individuals. I don't think that would be the best idea. I think like Billy said this is the material state of being and a very early one at that. If we can't handle simple equations such as drilling holes in the Earth which causes natural disasters. I don't think anyone will possess such qualities will be known out there publicly. Imagine what the greedy would do with such capabilities. I think that level of evolution should be reserved for those that understand the effects of what capabilities they possess. I did read that through the universe and it's comedic side some people or as most would call degenerates have acquired some unique capability from one of the contact reports, if they do I sure hope they would never aid those that are not worthy of such tremendous skills. I believe most of our problems really just require a few things, common sense, patience, planning ahead, and utilizing the cause and effect theory in all of our decision making. <br />
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If you kew what the peace meditation already did for good things you would not say that it had only little effect in the course of history ;) ...... I say only Gorbatschof and Berlin wall...<br />
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Good words Mark. :))<br />
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Salome<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Both Mark and Neckel fail to "read" between the lines, simply because you have not yet realize your potentials, study the post more carefully, then the awareness will reveal itself. I know first hand what effects the Peace Meditation has "influenced" since its beginning. Its a passive response from some who can avoid direct intervention since they were responsible as former religious ringleaders as these were accepted into the folds of the Plejarens long ago.<br />
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I have just given you and others an example of such "potentials", yet you fail to recognize such abilities that are dormant for those who have such attributes. Why you may ask that such concepts are not listed (as far as I know) in creational laws is the simple fact that as presented by the Plejarens, these laws have to evolve further in order to adequately address the unique circumstances on Earth where Creational Laws have been prostituted by advanced ET's for their benefit at the expense of Earth humans.<br />
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Here is one of a few examples, we know that the Plejarens had the opportunity to present an option (if they even considered it?) to those doomed ET's responsible for the mass suicide occurring at Tunguska, forbidden by their home worlds to return or provide technical assistance, because ancestors brought back from Earth the insane religious beliefs a thousand years ago to their home worlds causing death and destruction. It was the same religious insanity that currently plague Earth to this day, mainly from the Giza intelligences, thus here offers a golden opportunity for the Plejarens to take advantage of solving two problems at the same time, but they chose other wise and allowed these ET's to kill themselves and be condemned to this Earth accomplishing nothing. Yet, if they were allowed this other option of redemption, how would things have panned out?<br />
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Certainly these ET's would have rounded up the Giza much earlier and Earth would have a much better chance to evolve spiritually, but no...we are here again, on the brink of WW3 and other degenerative events that threaten us every day.<br />
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One has to envision this complex "equation" within "equations", along with the Cause & Effect in conjunction to its negative counter-part, the Not-Cause and Not Effect which is listed in the above statement (Tunguska). It is very difficult to describe in words and would be better explained in graphical presentations, where dimensions can be branched off, then re-connected in time zones. But in a nut shell, picture where you stand along with your past personalities, events and the cross roads that determine your attributes, then connect that to all the Cause/Effect episodes along with the Not-Cause and Not-Effect circumstances to see where your "equational potentials" lay in order to reference your options. Creational laws are NOT chiseled in stone to remain unchanged, especially so when dealing with solutions to uncreational results. Being so stagnates the evolution of Creation itself.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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You keep on commenting about how the Tunguska event occured and how the ET's can ONLY reincarnate of Earth. Reading the contact reports, Asket clearly said that if you were born, realized or created in the DERN universe, you shall only be reborn in the entirety of the DERN universe. The DERN universe to my knowledge is rather vast in size. Those ET's that met there fate could be born into the overpopulated Akart for all we know. They haven't clearly said how or where people's spirit ends up but I believe I read it stays in a spiritual block for around 155 years which we won't even know about because they say that it's like a timeless occurance I believe.<br />
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--Mark 20:35, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== hilliard said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for everything, to each I give my thanks. In Northern Ontario Canada the earth chaukras have stopped spinning. For hope check out www.Dr.Cha.com. He has the same answers to our 1`500 years of darkness. I do not want to distract from Billy great work but to add hope and a way. Love to each always. <br />
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--hilliard 04:02, 1 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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hilliard: there are no chakras or chaukras. you may ask"what's all this aboot?"Just keep reading and it will all come out in a fine material, and course material wash! <br />
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--Zameen 05:08, 1 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Brandon43 said ... ==<br />
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Humans in places of absolute power are the antithesis to everything that is free. The Human will not change without divine intervention. The indoctrination of competition and greed is so pervasive in our psyches, something must be broken within us and it is maddening. I speak out of frustration and I know I should not, but none the less, I feel compelled. The senseless slaughter and murder of endless innocents, I simply cannot fathom any longer as having purpose or providing any useful instruction. It is truly heart breaking and insane. I will pray for us and improve on myself as a result of these things.<br />
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--[[User:Brandon43|Brandon43]] ([[User talk:Brandon43|talk]]), 04:30, 18 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Brandon: What are you doing here? Praying is a useless practice. haven't you figured that out yet? <br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] ([[User talk:Zameen|talk]]), 23:39, 18 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Mark,<br />
I bring up the incident of Tunguska as a comparison to the logical humane reason(s) why Nokodemjon with the help of the various pure spiritual levels including the highest, the Petale who “reversed” his spiritual process in order for him to return again as a material human form in order to reverse the gross injustices his co-created peoples have been doing to others in the DERN universe is quite appropriate.<br />
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Looking at the prospective from this angle one can see the involvement of not just an intervention from much higher spiritual levels in order to assist in the material realms which are indeed a rare occurrence since it has and will never happen again. Since this event sets the stage of precedence for future instances that is accordingly to free will by the appropriate authorities in question be it material or non-material Beings, the same logic of humane reasoning does apply for both cases between Nokodemjon and the Tunguska event.<br />
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We all understood the logic of Nokodemjon’s case when his armies of mostly androids and some allies brought order in a few decades of war and with assistance from the Arahat Athersata level restricted for quite some time the incarnation process for many of these degenerates in order to create an environment for spiritual evolution to those who were brutally killed or enslaved by his insane peoples. This decree was lifted after some time but proved to be unsatisfactory, since again his peoples waged war again around 400,000 years ago which also created the Ring Nebula known as the “Eye of god”. <br />
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Now the Tunguska event has some similar historical events behind its connections for the fact that the Bardans came to Earth a little more than 1130 years ago, mingled with its religious leaders and brought back this insane belief to their home worlds 400 million light years distance which produced wars and the destruction of several planets in their region which was stopped with higher intelligences intervened.<br />
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We all know that the malevolent ET’s that came to Earth and destroyed Atlantis and Mu are the ancestors of the evil Giza intelligence along with others of the 144, 228 ring leaders responsible (which included the Plejarens!) for the evilness of religions and god which was what the Bardans brought back to their home worlds. Therefore we have similar circumstances where degenerate so called “advanced beings” from the original co-created Nokodemjon peoples again running amok, this time on Earth when in the early 1900’s the Tunguska event occurred which presented an opportunity to clean up this mess once and for all (again?), but never happened because Nokodemjon was only an incarnated assigned as a planetary prophet without the assistance from higher non-material spiritual forms as was the case in older times.<br />
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However, the Plejarens did and do have access to the high council who are half physical/spiritual who in turn do have access to the Arahat Athersata level. This unique set of circumstances could have been taken advantage of by the Plejarens to intervene the same way as what was done in previous times when Nokodemjon did when he first came out of the pure spiritual A.A., but that was never done because the Plejarens were more inclined to adhere to their own set of rules and guidelines. I just hope they pay more attention to current and near future events because the Plejarens are certainly not the only ones with the appropriate technology to influence events in either material and/or non-material realms. <br />
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It is the other malevolent ET’s that may decide to “take advantage” of unique opportunities here on Earth because potentials do exist which was never given the opportunity to evolve in a “natural” environment due to forces that did not follow humane justice since creation is supposed to be just that, but none-the-less do because similar to mathematical equations, it has inherited characteristics that continue to evolve and only needs a spark to ignite as in the first creation of universes, but at levels beyond single dimensions which are currently at the Subconscious realms currently residing on Earth with links throughout the DERN universe.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 05:08, 19 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Brandon43 said ... ==<br />
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To my brother or sister Zameen: We should refrain from judging others in how they feel or communicate. Few people have the divine knowledge to make such assertions. The revelation of truth is only a step in the process. Do not fool yourself into thinking the madness of this world is any less real. I have faith we will conquer such problems with help and I'm much more aware of things than you may think. The madness must cease and love and compassion must fill the void completely, forever. Love and peace to you all.<br />
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--[[User:Brandon43|Brandon43]] ([[User talk:Brandon43|talk]]), 16:33, 19 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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“Divine” intervention or better quoted from historical accuracy is “divine interference” by so called “advanced” human beings calling themselves as “gods” or “sons & daughters of heavens”. They are nothing but human parasites existing at the expense of others, bringing insane religious doctrine and practices that degrade the spiritual evolution of other human beings under their control through ridiculous “praying” to some “divine” entity which in effect stagnates the very spirit form in each and every human being.<br />
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It is a travesty against creation to promote such insane beliefs and against free will, because each must choose their own path and eventually become Creation themselves when merging with other spiritual forms with their own contribution to create more universes. To believe that some god or gods are responsible for creation is selfish thinking and illogical since it excludes the participation of other human beings to become creation.<br />
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Religion beliefs lead to destruction not creation, intervention is to prevent further destruction, however it is logical for higher spiritual realms to participate in the logical humane endeavors to bring balance and harmony to lower evolving realms in the interest of spiritual evolution when threaten with destruction regardless of established doctrines. <br />
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There is no such concept as “divine knowledge”, for again Brandon43 repeatedly keeps saying this insane “concept” because one is blinded by religious contamination and refused to acknowledge that divine excludes everyone else and is something that is unobtainable or out-of-reach realms. It is out-of-reach if one is foolish enough to “believe” such insane exists and therefore “divine” is an illusion for those who know it is foolish, but a reality for those who are corrupted and foolish who “believe” in such non sense. No difference than a paranoid schizophrenic with delusional ideas in their heads that are easily controlled by those who preach religious doctrine, just look at to suicide Islamic nut cases who are willing to kill themselves and others, maybe they would be better off not even made to incarnate if they intend to harm others and prevent them in evolving spiritually?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Earth, 02:36, 20 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Human_being_of_the_Earth&diff=20026Talk:Human being of the Earth2013-07-19T03:08:53Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Frank said ... ==<br />
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What Billy is saying here is no more than what all of us know but dont practice.....this to me is just another distraction to DOING what I believe should be done. Talking a good game is just that! a good talk....everyone has this abillity.....next!<br />
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--Frank 23:14, 4 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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To Frank: So why DID you post anything here at all? get back to work! (just being frank.) <br />
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--Zameen 23:23, 4 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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.... only those that really understood behave after their knowledge..... "Wenn es in Fleisch und Blut übergeht".....<br />
Honestly :) globally we do not much better behave than our ancestors the romans, or the european settlers that came to north/south america, in an ethical, moral and human way, only the methods changed and our doing is better covered and disguised and hided also because of our sophisticated media and entertainment industry..... therefore the majority only sees 30 % of what is really happening in the world. To say: "We know all this, but no one is practicing it." is only a cheap excuse with double meaning. For one we think we already know everything, but in reality we did not understand anything. Second one presumes that all the others know it but do not do anything, so why should i do something, because one alone can not do anything,..... what an illusion and a simple excuse to continue like before.<br />
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By the way, we are not only talking here but also living it. :)<br />
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OM Kanon 32 Vers 106. "Ueber wertlose Dinge macht der Mensch grossen Lärm und grosses Geschrei, über die Weisheit und Wahrheit und über das Wissen und die Liebe schweigt er, denn durch sine Dummheit erkennt er ihren grossen Wert nicht."<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 08:23, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Quick translation of that quote:<br />
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"About worthless things the human makes big noise and big outcry; about the wisdom and truth and the knowledge and the love he's silent, because due to his stupidity he does not recognise their great value."<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 18:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I know when I first read the contact reports I was a bit skeptical as well Frank. I thought what the hell are they doing about any of these problems. I think everybody that reads something can interpret it in a different way. I presume that your meaning of "DOING" is for Billy and his Plejaren friends to fix all our wrongs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read many times Billy ask his Plejaren friends to try and intervene or if they could do something. It's like the people of today, they do something wrong and don't man up to it. If people would take responsibility rather than finding a bailout plan every time they do wrong, our world would be better. WE have to create and shape our own world. I find it rather laughable that we want to advance in technology and fly into space when our current living quarters has a lot of growing up to do. <br />
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--Mark 19:35, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Childless said ... ==<br />
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I recognized the problems of over population at a young age and detrimed that I would not produce any offspring. If even half the population would do this we as humans would be on the right path to saving our own existance. There are many children who are orphans and if one can not live without children this is a good choice to make. <br />
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--Childless 14:33, 22 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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After reading many of your posting, besides BEAM's and the Plejaren contact notes along with some personal observations, one has concluded that Earth humans as well as others, through its various stages of evolution(s), be it re-incarnations of both Earthly, Lyrian and other advanced ET's that encompass a rather inter-mixed, inter-related web of intricate relationship(s) that connects each entity whether material or non-material, each has certain "potentials", depending on the quality parameters that shaped it's existence on the value of it's positive and/or negative connections that will equally determine its evolutionary rate through the Cause & Effect or the Not-Cause & Not-Effect criteria.<br />
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It's this inter-change between fine and material energies that are "normally" conditioned to evolve naturally by Creational parameters, but evolution will often be determined by other avenues if violations continue without the proper logical and humane intervention by the powers to be that have the authority to ensure balance and harmony. This route for those having to fend for themselves are available when they recognize and couple their "equational potentials" to bring about the necessary changes in order to address the wrongs, manipulation, exploitation of generations of abuse.<br />
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True, the Earth population as a whole is not a prime candidate for such attributes, but certainly not only the prophets have these characteristics as well, some outside of these parameters have the necessary "equational potentials" to focus such energies that do have the proper pre-requisites to illicit a discharge that will balance the unequal forces which have plagued Earth for so long. <br />
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Such examples have already been utilized by the Orions, who first build the Egyptian pyramids finishing the top section by coupling their telekinstics abilities.<br />
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Then you have a more recent, yet intriguing event described on pages 7-10 by a former US Army remote viewer named Lyn Buchanan in "The Seventh Sense", when provoked by a fellow soldier who sabotaged his computer presentation to his NATO commanders during the cold war era. Buchanan's anger shut down the entire NATO and Warsaw pact's computer intelligence network, which if true, does indeed indicate the "potential" yet to be discovered in other Earth humans.<br />
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However, caution should be warned to those seeking evil manipulation of such "potentials", for feedback does occur with very destructive results. Maybe when this becomes a threat to other non-Earthlings, then intervention may occur, but need that be the case if properly and logically examined by those that have the technology?<br />
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The Plejaren and their allies are already, in a more passive way, engaging in the Peace Meditation process, but has have little effect on the insane behaviors on Earth. We have witness the passive effects on the Giza intelligences, who still wreaked havoc in spite of such measures, but only when physically removed, then their evil ways stopped, but its deadly effects continue for another 200-300 years. Maybe its time for more drastic measures that really addresses the root of the problems? And it does not require direct intervention, just the proper "impulses" and appropriate protective inputs as described above in the "web of intricate inter-connections" that are also linked within dimensions through the Cause and Effect relationships.<br />
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--Hawaiian 02:05, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian<br />
I read your latest comment and was wondering if what you meant was that Earth humanity should be given certain abilites such as telekinesis, mind reading, future interpretation, that they should use it to help man or should these be given to certain individuals. I don't think that would be the best idea. I think like Billy said this is the material state of being and a very early one at that. If we can't handle simple equations such as drilling holes in the Earth which causes natural disasters. I don't think anyone will possess such qualities will be known out there publicly. Imagine what the greedy would do with such capabilities. I think that level of evolution should be reserved for those that understand the effects of what capabilities they possess. I did read that through the universe and it's comedic side some people or as most would call degenerates have acquired some unique capability from one of the contact reports, if they do I sure hope they would never aid those that are not worthy of such tremendous skills. I believe most of our problems really just require a few things, common sense, patience, planning ahead, and utilizing the cause and effect theory in all of our decision making. <br />
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--Mark 05:29, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Dear Hawaiian,<br />
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If you kew what the peace meditation already did for good things you would not say that it had only little effect in the course of history ;) ...... I say only Gorbatschof and Berlin wall...<br />
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Good words Mark. :))<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 10:41, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Both Mark and Neckel fail to "read" between the lines, simply because you have not yet realize your potentials, study the post more carefully, then the awareness will reveal itself. I know first hand what effects the Peace Meditation has "influenced" since its beginning. Its a passive response from some who can avoid direct intervention since they were responsible as former religious ringleaders as these were accepted into the folds of the Plejarens long ago.<br />
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I have just given you and others an example of such "potentials", yet you fail to recognize such abilities that are dormant for those who have such attributes. Why you may ask that such concepts are not listed (as far as I know) in creational laws is the simple fact that as presented by the Plejarens, these laws have to evolve further in order to adequately address the unique circumstances on Earth where Creational Laws have been prostituted by advanced ET's for their benefit at the expense of Earth humans.<br />
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Here is one of a few examples, we know that the Plejarens had the opportunity to present an option (if they even considered it?) to those doomed ET's responsible for the mass suicide occurring at Tunguska, forbidden by their home worlds to return or provide technical assistance, because ancestors brought back from Earth the insane religious beliefs a thousand years ago to their home worlds causing death and destruction. It was the same religious insanity that currently plague Earth to this day, mainly from the Giza intelligences, thus here offers a golden opportunity for the Plejarens to take advantage of solving two problems at the same time, but they chose other wise and allowed these ET's to kill themselves and be condemned to this Earth accomplishing nothing. Yet, if they were allowed this other option of redemption, how would things have panned out?<br />
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Certainly these ET's would have rounded up the Giza much earlier and Earth would have a much better chance to evolve spiritually, but no...we are here again, on the brink of WW3 and other degenerative events that threaten us every day.<br />
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One has to envision this complex "equation" within "equations", along with the Cause & Effect in conjunction to its negative counter-part, the Not-Cause and Not Effect which is listed in the above statement (Tunguska). It is very difficult to describe in words and would be better explained in graphical presentations, where dimensions can be branched off, then re-connected in time zones. But in a nut shell, picture where you stand along with your past personalities, events and the cross roads that determine your attributes, then connect that to all the Cause/Effect episodes along with the Not-Cause and Not-Effect circumstances to see where your "equational potentials" lay in order to reference your options. Creational laws are NOT chiseled in stone to remain unchanged, especially so when dealing with solutions to uncreational results. Being so stagnates the evolution of Creation itself.<br />
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--Hawaiian 19:26, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian <br />
You keep on commenting about how the Tunguska event occured and how the ET's can ONLY reincarnate of Earth. Reading the contact reports, Asket clearly said that if you were born, realized or created in the DERN universe, you shall only be reborn in the entirety of the DERN universe. The DERN universe to my knowledge is rather vast in size. Those ET's that met there fate could be born into the overpopulated Akart for all we know. They haven't clearly said how or where people's spirit ends up but I believe I read it stays in a spiritual block for around 155 years which we won't even know about because they say that it's like a timeless occurance I believe.<br />
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--Mark 20:35, 23 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== hilliard said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for everything, to each I give my thanks. In Northern Ontario Canada the earth chaukras have stopped spinning. For hope check out www.Dr.Cha.com. He has the same answers to our 1`500 years of darkness. I do not want to distract from Billy great work but to add hope and a way. Love to each always. <br />
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--hilliard 04:02, 1 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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hilliard: there are no chakras or chaukras. you may ask"what's all this aboot?"Just keep reading and it will all come out in a fine material, and course material wash! <br />
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--Zameen 05:08, 1 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Brandon43 said ... ==<br />
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Humans in places of absolute power are the antithesis to everything that is free. The Human will not change without divine intervention. The indoctrination of competition and greed is so pervasive in our psyches, something must be broken within us and it is maddening. I speak out of frustration and I know I should not, but none the less, I feel compelled. The senseless slaughter and murder of endless innocents, I simply cannot fathom any longer as having purpose or providing any useful instruction. It is truly heart breaking and insane. I will pray for us and improve on myself as a result of these things.<br />
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--[[User:Brandon43|Brandon43]] ([[User talk:Brandon43|talk]]), 04:30, 18 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Brandon: What are you doing here? Praying is a useless practice. haven't you figured that out yet? <br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] ([[User talk:Zameen|talk]]), 23:39, 18 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Mark,<br />
I bring up the incident of Tunguska as a comparison to the logical humane reason(s) why Nokodemjon with the help of the various pure spiritual levels including the highest, the Petale who “reversed” his spiritual process in order for him to return again as a material human form in order to reverse the gross injustices his co-created peoples have been doing to others in the DERN universe is quite appropriate.<br />
<br />
Looking at the prospective from this angle one can see the involvement of not just an intervention from much higher spiritual levels in order to assist in the material realms which are indeed a rare occurrence since it has and will never happen again. Since this event sets the stage of precedence for future instances that is accordingly to free will by the appropriate authorities in question be it material or non-material Beings, the same logic of humane reasoning does apply for both cases between Nokodemjon and the Tunguska event.<br />
<br />
We all understood the logic of Nokodemjon’s case when his armies of mostly androids and some allies brought order in a few decades of war and with assistance from the Arahat Athersata level restricted for quite some time the incarnation process for many of these degenerates in order to create an environment for spiritual evolution to those who were brutally killed or enslaved by his insane peoples. This decree was lifted after some time but proved to be unsatisfactory, since again his peoples waged war again around 400,000 years ago which also created the Ring Nebula known as the “Eye of god”. <br />
<br />
Now the Tunguska event has some similar historical events behind its connections for the fact that the Bardans came to Earth a little more than 1130 years ago, mingled with its religious leaders and brought back this insane belief to their home worlds 400 million light years distance which produced wars and the destruction of several planets in their region which was stopped with higher intelligences intervened.<br />
<br />
We all know that the malevolent ET’s that came to Earth and destroyed Atlantis and Mu are the ancestors of the evil Giza intelligence along with others of the 144, 228 ring leaders responsible (which included the Plejarens!) for the evilness of religions and god which was what the Bardans brought back to their home worlds. Therefore we have similar circumstances where degenerate so called “advanced beings” from the original co-created Nokodemjon peoples again running amok, this time on Earth when in the early 1900’s the Tunguska event occurred which presented an opportunity to clean up this mess once and for all (again?), but never happened because Nokodemjon was only an incarnated assigned as a planetary prophet without the assistance from higher non-material spiritual forms as was the case in older times.<br />
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However, the Plejarens did and do have access to the high council who are half physical/spiritual who in turn do have access to the Arahat Athersata level. This unique set of circumstances could have been taken advantage of by the Plejarens to intervene the same way as what was done in previous times when Nokodemjon did when he first came out of the pure spiritual A.A., but that was never done because the Plejarens were more inclined to adhere to their own set of rules and guidelines. I just hope they pay more attention to current and near future events because the Plejarens are certainly not the only ones with the appropriate technology to influence events in either material and/or non-material realms. <br />
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It is the other malevolent ET’s that may decide to “take advantage” of unique opportunities here on Earth because potentials do exist which was never given the opportunity to evolve in a “natural” environment due to forces that did not follow humane justice since creation is supposed to be just that, but none-the-less do because similar to mathematical equations, it has inherited characteristics that continue to evolve and only needs a spark to ignite as in the first creation of universes, but at levels beyond single dimensions which are currently at the Subconscious realms currently residing on Earth with links throughout the DERN universe.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 05:08, 19 July 2013 (CEST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mariangela&diff=19797Talk:Mariangela2013-04-06T21:46:48Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Mariangela said ... ==<br />
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Hallo to everyone.I hope to find other Pleiadian souls from Electra here.Welcome in my page starsisters and starbrother.Smiles :)<br />
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--[[User:Mariangela|Mariangela]] ([[User talk:Mariangela|talk]]), Parma,Italy, 01:35, 6 April 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Welcome Mariangela! Just wondering how you figured out that you are a Pleiadian soul from Electra?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] ([[User talk:Sheila|talk]]), 15:16, 6 April 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Electra is a female Plejaren who assisted BEAM in translating the various names and their meanings. The Plejarens as well as FIGU members do not believe in any "soul" which is a corrupted version of religious contamination. They and we are aware that human beings have a non-religious spirit form that evolves and becomes greater than any "god" or "gods".<br />
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This mere fact invalidates the contaminated religious concept of “souls” belonging to some “supreme” god or gods, when in reality, a spirit form(s) has a higher potential than such non-sense. Only the stupid and foolish believe in religions, for they only perceive nature in primitive 5 basic senses and do not or will not endeavor to utilize their 6th and 7th senses where higher forms of humans routinely establish themselves in space travel and other activities that immature religious people consider as “god-like”.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 23:46, 6 April 2013 (CEST)<br />
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== Stevieo said ... ==<br />
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MASTER PEACE!!GLORY BE THE "CREATION"<br />
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.......................SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH everybody silent devotion. :) I like. <br />
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Silently devoted to the truth I shall continue onward in knowledge, wisdom, and life. When there is silence a sort of, call of eternity can be heard, in the mind of someone who is truly living life for spirit, who knows rather than believes the actual truth. Now that I know and feel the truth within me, I shall live my life in the creational, truly to my fullest potential, until this life is at an end. Perhaps through great knowledge obtained in this incarnation, the truth may be found quickly in the next life, that the truth shall be known at an earlier age, that I may do the most good for my fellow human beings ,through vast knowledge of the truth.<br />
Silently devoted to the truth I remain, until I feel a calling of my BEING to a new seeker of truth, perhaps right next to me, perhaps far away, that is waiting for me or another of truth, to grant them an opportunity, to know the infinite, ever-present truth within life and love in Creation.<br />
Saalome gam naan ben uurda gan njjber assala hesperona00<br />
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It is the “being” of awareness that transcends the material senses beyond speech, words or thoughts; it merges with experience gained not just by those stored in the Subconscious from previous incarnations, but most importantly from the current personality’s ability to perceive without any contamination from its ego or beliefs.<br />
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The truth and experience are not just something to strive for that makes one whole, but active engagement is often necessary even in cases of “negative” actions in order to establish a humane logical balance to ensure that both the positive and negative forces on opposite ends of the creational equation are maintained, so that all relevant forces are guaranteed further spiritual evolution, which may also include higher intelligences as well, especially if they are connected in any way shape or form.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 05:56, 3 March 2013 (GMT)<br />
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== Wizard said ... ==<br />
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What will happen with this Gulf Coast oil disaster? Will it distroy Florida in time?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Often I find some discussions as boring and rather a nuisance when there are others not at the same level requiring excessive time before moving on. True, those who are advanced should assist those that are still in the learning stages, but it often hinders our growth as well.<br />
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Maybe if these more advanced ones could open some private chat as in the IRC method, then make it available to others would suffice? However, unless one has administrator rights to save the whole communication without the labor intensive "cut/paste" line item method, this method will not work.<br />
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Finally, would be interesting if topics were selected prior to these meetings and posted (for those with similar interests). Those presenting these topics should prepare materials at hand and not just "troll" some topic just to see how the discussion develops.<br />
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However a word of caution, please keep information that can be abused by the degenerative ones secured for safe keeping. Maybe the Plejaren can assist in this matter, to provide a secure means in order for those advanced enough to ensure they evolve without abuse from other obsessed with power lust and greed?<br />
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Say Hawaiian,can you build a working free energy generator?I am looking for any input that is useful for conducting high frequency/voltage.<br />
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No reply?<br />
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Hawaiian: sorry to hinder your growth.<br />
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Zameen, I wasnt going to write anything, but ive gone away and thought about what youve written here: "Hawaiian: sorry to hinder your growth." - I resent this kind of language Zameen, because there is no need for it. Please try and reserve these kinds of sentiments in the future. I didnt read what Hawaiian said in this way. Thanks<br />
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Monkey, no such generator have been built so far....the parts are all in Cup's back yard! No harm done on this end..:-)as a matter of fact, I will forward some very interesting topics to BEAM for him or the inner core responses, that will be later posted on this site in the very near future.<br />
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No pun intended to others, but I diffinately need the challenge to further evolve these concepts within the advancements found amongst the inner group. That way these interpertation connections or linkages are set on the right track before being explored for further analysis, which will be imparted in layperson's language to assist others in their quest for knowledge in regards to each particular level of evolution in the hopes one day soon, we'll be in the same realm of awareness.<br />
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my apologies to Hawaiian for the unfortunate remark.At the time it seemed to be a condescending remark aimed at those not entirely up to the complete understanding as others here. Again my apologies to Hawaiian and i shall refrain from any other remarks like the one in question here.<br />
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Zameen...apologies compassively accepted, we all learn from bumps and bruises some times. Often when one shares the pain, they become quite loyal friends, one of my best friends was made after a physical fight...although Queztal may say it is "barbaric", Billy would probably approve, the end result is what really matters...Saalome<br />
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I would like to participate in "Plejaren Federation" topic scheduled for Aug 14-15 2010 and have some very interesting materials that will not only stimulate the minds of Earthly humans, but also the Plejaren themselves including some members of the Federation that have connections here via their spirits.<br />
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I wanted to pose a summary analysis directly to BEAM or the inner circle, which is a prelude to other avenues of further discussions depending on the responses enacted by them.<br />
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I sent some discussion notes to Christian Frehner, but he does not reply any more? A formulated suggestion has been presented to our so-called "advanced" partners in the Spiritual Teaching chat section.<br />
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So far, no responses either of Earthly or otherwise...it is so logical and easy to implement..should an Earth human lay out the ground work again?<br />
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It the time indicated, local or Universal Time Coordinate (Greewhich-England time)?<br />
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I think that is why there are many holes in logic. If there are 7 levels or stages of development then there is an unimaginable amount of wonderful things to learn in future lifetimes. I am trying to dissect the spirit teachings at this current time so I get a good grasp of the knowledge and how to implement it as well. I hope everyone can find themselves eventually.....................peacefully.:)<br />
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Some very interesting topics were discussed on Saturday to include:<br />
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1. Plejarens on Erra have genetically altered plants to bear fruit that have similar properties of meat, so therefore animals are not required to be killed and consumed.<br />
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2. Dreams can be controlled to prevent nightmares and other chaotic episodes if one's psyche is kept properly balanced and is another benefit of maintaining proper creational discipline.<br />
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3. The possibility that emotions may trigger Fluidual energy release for levitation and moving objects.<br />
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5. The possibility of even meditating in dreams. <br />
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Just tried to login to http://express.paltalk.com/index.html?gid=1440459225 but ran into problems. Can't figure out this site at all - really would like to communicate with a live body somewhere, somehow. <br />
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Just click on the Main Page Billy Meier tab on the left of this website, then click Chat/Talk tab on the right. Usually there are a few exchanging ideas on Saturdays around 10:00-12:00 GMT (Greenwhich-England time)<br />
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greetings, i just found this link on the figu english forum. Is this chat still On? When is the next meeting?<br />
thank u<br />
maria grijalva<br />
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Where can I get that coffee mug that has the Peace Meditation symbol?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula, 17:51, 1 March 2013 (GMT)<br />
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The lines for Semjase 317 to 321 and Asket 51 to 123 were omitted. I have a copy of these missing lines as they are mentioned in the Message volume 2. But the translation is very poor and doesnt make sense at all. I shall obtain the German and then perform the translation of these missing lines. And add the German to the page too.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] ([[User talk:Jamesm|talk]]), Helensburgh, UK, 23:48, 20 September 2012 (BST)<br />
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One of the most intriguing contact reports I've ever read, looking forward to the next one! ;)<br />
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--[[User:MarksmanR|MarksmanR]] ([[User talk:MarksmanR|talk]]), 05:11, 23 September 2012 (BST)<br />
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Where was Jitschi when the great journey happened? Where is he now? Where will he be?<br />
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(Let me guess. The questions are not important to you. You just want to see your name on the page "Recent Changes". Am I right?)<br />
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Is it so obvious?<br />
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This is the first time I’ve seen Ptaah express such regrets and a little guilt upon reaching the Ring Nebula in the Lyrian/Vegan star system where total destruction by their forefathers left a legacy of insaneness for all to see in the DERN universe. This unfortunate event occurred many years ago before they came to Earth and later to the Plejaren star system.<br />
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I find it ironic that the Plejarens feel this apprehensiveness on some physical remnant (Ring Nebula) depicting how an insane JHFH (King of malice) destroyed whole worlds, yet there are many generations of degenerative Earthly humans that still suffer the negative effects caused by the sons and daughters of heavens in which some of the Plejarens were part of this insane group.<br />
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Although the past personalities were directly responsible for these crimes, it is the same spirit forms now incarnated in different personalities of both the Plejarens and other ET’s, the question remains are these current life forms still connected to their past crimes via the memory banks that store the experiences and knowledge of all past personalities in the subconscious or because of their high level of technology to traverse many light years not bound to such limitations?<br />
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Ptaah expresses a regard to the event of the Ring Nebula, yet show little regard to events that occurred and still occurring on Earth in which the common response is that “we will not interfere with Earthly concerns unless some event threatens areas outside of the SOL domain”. I find it ironic these Plejarens speak about bringing forth creational teaching and directives, yet still have some dirty laundry hanging in their own closets, are we responsible to clean that up also besides our own planet?<br />
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Instead of proclaiming that there were at least 21 attempts to assinate Billy Meier, it should officially reflect 22 instead, because the Plejarens themselves almost succeeded in killing BEAM through over bearing and selfishness on their part demanding too much from Billy who suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be directly beamed up in an emergency to save his life. Asket reflects this same attitude of demanding Billy to run the center and generate income for both the mission and his family, yet they are fully aware of Billy’s personality not to receive any benefit towards himself, but instead direct that energy for others.<br />
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It is part of the Nokodemjon’s spirit form that is currently incarnated in Billy to adhere to such non-selfish endeavors because that spirit from came out of the Arahat Athersata pure spiritual realms requesting to again become a physical being and all its sufferings in order to bring balance to his co-created people who did awful things in the DERN universe. He could have instead requested the Petale level to return every single one of them including the Plejarens to the state of energy before I thought of creating them so there would be no need for Nokodemjon to remain in a physical form and return back to the AA to continue down his evolutionary path. No he cared too much and is paying for this consequence, those who make demands of him should think twice because they would not be here had Nokodemjon been selfish and ruled with an iron fist. <br />
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<div>Dear Billy, Is it important to tell someone about an experience if I was contacted? And if so,who? A part of me knows that this question is not as important as "my" task at hand,and the overall mission,but I ask...What's next? I do have more un-asked questions and am not suprised that they have not been asked yet.'''Bold text'''<br />
sincerely,Derrick Salome<br />
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Dear Billy,I have unasked questions about an experience of mine and I wanted to know if you could help me with the truth about them. Sincerely Derrick Salome <br />
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Derrick, you will likely not find the answers you seek here. Please contact FIGU directly.<br />
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I found this page very informative,direct and usefull.I am absorbing as much information as I can daily and find I am anxious to read more and more each day.Thank You<br />
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Has anyone else shown up? Curious....<br />
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"As I flipped through the pages of the book, most of the names were unfamiliar to me, but on one page there were the names of 12 different spirits listed. I didn't recognize any of the names. The page looked different from the others, so I had to ask about it. The names were of a special group of Lyrans who were now all in material life on Earth. The Pleiadians had given the names to Billy, and he was to watch out for these 12, for they would be drawn to him for reasons which were not explained to me.<br />
I was told that they believed that I was one of the 12, possibly number 4, based on the information I had given them about my dreams and my family background. Other considerations as to why they thought I was<br />
one of them were not explained to me. I inquired as to whether or not any of the other names had shown up, but was told they had not. As of 1987, so far I was the only one."<br />
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Are you referring about the individuals who forgo their evolution status and volunteered to remain with Nokodemjon in order to assist him in his endeavors to correct the wrongs his co-created peoples have done in the DERN universe? Information I got from his son indicated that all these individuals were mysteriously killed in various auto accidents, just like Billy’s brother and caused serious injury to his daughter.<br />
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There are negative forces that have and continued to impede Billy’s mission and I won’t be surprised if they had some influence in these matters. I would either contact FIGU itself for clarification or please use a 3rd party source to protect the true identity if indeed it’s one of the 12 you mentioned. The Plejarens should protect these individuals, but judging from their past indifferences, I won’t count on it.<br />
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It would be better if the articles were chronologically ordered from top to the bottom, so the readers could see how mister Billy developed this theme. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] ([[User talk:Alive|talk]]), Helltown, Hell Prefecture, 05:50, 22 November 2012 (GMT)<br />
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The titles of the articles ordered chronologically:<br />
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1. Life and death are a oneness (alternative version: Life and death are a unity). -- 27 December 2011. <br />
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2. Nothing can escape death, hence it must be pondered and it also must be understood.<br />
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3. Do not repress death (alternative version: Not to put away the death). -- 31 December 2011. <br />
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4. When death ends life, nobody knows. -- 4 January 2012. <br />
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The first article is about the importance to think that life and death constitute a dialectical unity in the context of reincarnation. A human life form needs to think like that to be able to get the sense of his ongoing life and also the sense of his coming death. He can not get the sense of life without pondering his death, just as he can not get the sense of death by refusing to ponder about his life. He needs to think his life and his death as two different states of a single incarnation, which is a part of the progressive development of his own Ego.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] ([[User talk:Alive|talk]]), Helltown, Hell County, 08:06, 25 November 2012 (GMT)<br />
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The second article is about the necessity of death for any life form, whether it has a full material body, a half material body, and other kind of body (who knows what). Any life form has to be dead someday. Death is a necessary part of its history. A life form is not only charaterized by its ability to live, but also its ability to die. Not only its ability to grow, but also its ability to wither. Not only its ability to become, but also its ability to fade away. Becoming something means no longer being something else. Becoming a woman means no longer being a girl. Becoming an old woman means no longer being a woman. Becoming a very old woman means no longer being an old woman. Becoming an archaelogical object means no longer being a very old woman. Becoming and fading away are two different processes describing each other. Becoming describes what fading away really is. Life describes what death really is. They constitute a dialectical unity, which provides an invisible ground for the development of Ego. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] ([[User talk:Alive|talk]]), Helltown, Hell State, 03:56, 26 November 2012 (GMT)<br />
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From what I understand obtaining the half physical/spiritual evolution no longer requires one's spirit form to incarnate in material bodies anymore. Therefore, death is no longer a requirement or limitation for the spiritual form has already become at this level where the High Council is currently evolved at<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), 19:40, 27 November 2012 (GMT)<br />
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Interesting post especially the part where Billy compares the human male and female as "opposing" forces similar to the positive and negative parameters of electrical force where both are needed before any generation of light is produces. Thus one cannot function without the other, otherwise there will be no flow of energy from the positive to the negative.<br />
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That brings another interesting prospect in regards to the specific gender being either human male or female in their respective material parameters utilizing both the fine and coarse energies that define their particular attributes either as a female or male in a physical female or male material body and being.<br />
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Therefore Billy is also correct in stating that homosexuality is a “sickness” and “confusion” for the evolving spirit form. It not beneficial for a spiritual form to engage in “confusion” until the spirit form has evolved up to the Petale level where both the male and female attributes merge and there is no distinction between gender, where both attributes, experiences and knowledge acquired during their specific gender specifics have been fulfilled so that when “it” enters into the Absolute Absolutism, this combination has accumulated both “realms” of the gender specific qualities and are now merged together so that it also become the “light” and energy to again create more universes and things. <br />
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There is no flow of energy because there is no polarity of positive or negative, but has become pure spiritual energy to not only create, but most importantly to merge with other spiritual forms that have gone through this process since the “beginning” so that “it” the ONE, too evolves further with this new input that continues forever.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), 00:50, 20 November 2012 (GMT)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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What does "look into the future" mean? It is allright, if it does not mean anything. I could accept it.<br />
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Everyone’s Subconscious routinely plans for future events and often such events are presented to your material conscious during the dreaming state only if one strives to become aware of their abilities beyond the 5 basic primitive senses, that is the 6th (intuition) and 7th senses (primary telepathy)<br />
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There is a contact note that describes this process as explained by Semjase to Billy during one of her demonstrations from some technical apparatus on her ship.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:14, 30 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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You mentioned "dreaming state" for various topics. No matter what the question is, you would mention "dreaming state" in your answer.<br />
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Alive,<br />
Remember that one can “dream” in the waking meditative state and also meditate in the dreaming state as well. The waking meditation “prepares” one’s conscious to become disciplined enough so that one day he/she can also meditate in the dreaming state as well, but in a more self controlled fashion and at this point in time, a much more efficient method for Earthly humans to fully develop their innate potentials that has been suppressed for too long. Those who are already damaged by religious dogmas or delusional aspirations will never generate the necessary energy levels to go beyond the primitive stages of evolution.<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight<br />
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“A meditative basis to the positive consciousness-bearing consists in the value that the consciousness is steered by corresponding meditative thoughts and feelings and is consciously formed.”<br />
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Notice in the last statement, Billy mentioned “is consciously formed”, the goal of meditation at least in the waking state is to “train” one’s conscious to recognized the other “potentials” we all have embedded in our higher senses beyond the primitive 5 basic senses of hearing, seeing, feeling, smelling and touch which are all “suspended” when one is in the dream state and the primary reason to also “suspend” these 5 senses during meditation.<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_038<br />
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“The fact is that the pineal gland is able to detect fine-material electromagnetic fields in a completely different frequency range, that is to say, to track and recognize them, like a sensor, and thereby receive information.”<br />
However, even in your sleep, you can “train” your material conscious to become aware of your other attributes such as the pineal gland (which is the gateway to the 7th sense of telepathy) through a process very similar to meditation in the waking state, but one must discipline themselves in remaining between the dreaming state and waking state which I called “hovering” so that the other attributes remain connected so that one’s deepest questions are often answered from a “composite” realm of parameters specifically described in FIGU Special Bulletin 038 which is rather technical in nature but can only be realized by direct experience and interaction within yourself. We can explain the process, but eventfully it is the individual who determines the outcome because only those with a balanced psyche and proper discipline of self awareness will generate the most beneficial aspects of the interaction amongst the coarse and fine material energy interchanges when the material conscious properly “influences” or initiates the processes.<br />
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You cannot order the higher senses or your subconscious to react to your conscious demands, spiritual evolution only responds to neutrally balanced slightly positive endeavors based on logical creational values presented in the proper logical format(s).<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:55, 1 September 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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What does "look into the future" mean? It is allright, if it does not mean anything. I could accept it.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 09:47, 30 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Everyone’s Subconscious routinely plans for future events and often such events are presented to your material conscious during the dreaming state only if one strives to become aware of their abilities beyond the 5 basic primitive senses, that is the 6th (intuition) and 7th senses (primary telepathy)<br />
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There is a contact note that describes this process as explained by Semjase to Billy during one of her demonstrations from some technical apparatus on her ship.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:14, 30 August 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_185&diff=19068Talk:Contact Report 1852012-08-30T19:44:13Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Acriasis - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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If human beings would only reach out and take hold of the unconditional love that surrounds them, within theirselves each day, one may find that absolute knowledge can come to the one who seeks wisdom in truth. Each person, out of their own free-will, chooses a negative path each day, they are seperated from the eternal knowledge of Creation. Only by choosing a positive path to follow the laws and commandments given of Creation, is there an unconditional love that is felt, by experiencing life to its fullest, through the power within the indwelling of Creation within ourselves, that has always been there, but not recognized, because of the material lifes distractions of consciouseness which also occur daily. It would be good if these contacts would continue as they once were, but there are so many distracted people around, as well as time continueing to progress age and health, that it could only be acheived through public awareness of the existence of absolute truth, which would require an absolute transistion of the whole of an ignorant person of beliefs. Then even the falible ones would have no choice but to be submissive, with global awareness of absolute truth, which would dissolve the belief system indefinitely.<br />
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--[[User:Acriasis|Acriasis]] 04:28, 29 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creational attributes are logically designed to promote proper evolutionary results through its harmonic parameters of distance, time and dimensional differences amongst the various species that inhabit the universes. However there are some who do not adhere to creational standards and unfortunately inspire to circumvent this harmonic process and create all sorts of problems, not just for themselves but others as well because they have not learned to control their barbaric tendencies such as self ego destructiveness and the persecution of others who do not agree on their degenerative activities which continues to this very day including interferences from the future to promote their negative agendas.<br />
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It is through technology which is often abused to fulfill their degenerative activities upon those who are often powerless to resist such interferences because they lack the technology or understanding of the truth at hand and are often persecuted with threats and death from those in power to do so.<br />
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Therefore as was done in the past, it is not just the material Beings who are the ones to enforce the harmonic attributes of creational reality, but also those who are at the Arahat Athersata level who controls which spirit form incarnates or not and also those of the transitional stage between the material and non-material spiritual realms (High Council). Incarnated spirits that continue to exist at the expense of others and persecute those who strive to follow creational harmonic attributes should be separated as in the same principle of the separation of planets to ensure proper distance is maintained so that the evolutionary aspects of that particular planet is afforded the necessary environment to evolve on their own without interferences from other more advanced technological beings who intrude and cause a host of problems as witnessed by historical records of Earthly existence.<br />
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Both a parasitic spiritual incarnation and those that strive for harmonic endeavors cannot exist on the same planet and need to be separated in order for both to co-exist without endangering the other’s evolutionary development.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:38, 29 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Earth is like a mixture of all ingredients and no one separated the appetizer, main course, and dessert. Damn, we now have a mess of kitchen in terms of skill and efficiency. Everyone wants to be the head chef but only a few are true leaders. A lot of people want to lead but they are more of the enslave variety. I think those types should not be incarnated in order for Earth to at least have a slight chance at a well balanced menu. Rather than all ridiculous components which every human can't possibly accomplish to put together. <br />
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Thanks Hawaiian for the information, it was very informative. I shall need to do more research before posting my comments.<br />
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--[[User:Acriasis|Acriasis]] 23:13, 29 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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Your posting is good and we all learn from each other as well because we are in the same canoe trying to get to the same destination while others are paddling in the wrong direction leaves us in a dilemma. Should we continue on this non-evolutionary course or toss those who strive against development overboard so that they first learn how to swim before getting back in the canoe?<br />
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They could still decide against creational measures and refuse to paddle the canoe through their free will but their destination through swimming will be in vain, but none-the-less at least only their demise will be affected, not the whole crew in that canoe.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:44, 30 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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If human beings would only reach out and take hold of the unconditional love that surrounds them, within theirselves each day, one may find that absolute knowledge can come to the one who seeks wisdom in truth. Each person, out of their own free-will, chooses a negative path each day, they are seperated from the eternal knowledge of Creation. Only by choosing a positive path to follow the laws and commandments given of Creation, is there an unconditional love that is felt, by experiencing life to its fullest, through the power within the indwelling of Creation within ourselves, that has always been there, but not recognized, because of the material lifes distractions of consciouseness which also occur daily. It would be good if these contacts would continue as they once were, but there are so many distracted people around, as well as time continueing to progress age and health, that it could only be acheived through public awareness of the existence of absolute truth, which would require an absolute transistion of the whole of an ignorant person of beliefs. Then even the falible ones would have no choice but to be submissive, with global awareness of absolute truth, which would dissolve the belief system indefinitely.<br />
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--[[User:Acriasis|Acriasis]] 04:28, 29 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Creational attributes are logically designed to promote proper evolutionary results through its harmonic parameters of distance, time and dimensional differences amongst the various species that inhabit the universes. However there are some who do not adhere to creational standards and unfortunately inspire to circumvent this harmonic process and create all sorts of problems, not just for themselves but others as well because they have not learned to control their barbaric tendencies such as self ego destructiveness and the persecution of others who do not agree on their degenerative activities which continues to this very day including interferences from the future to promote their negative agendas.<br />
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It is through technology which is often abused to fulfill their degenerative activities upon those who are often powerless to resist such interferences because they lack the technology or understanding of the truth at hand and are often persecuted with threats and death from those in power to do so.<br />
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Therefore as was done in the past, it is not just the material Beings who are the ones to enforce the harmonic attributes of creational reality, but also those who are at the Arahat Athersata level who controls which spirit form incarnates or not and also those of the transitional stage between the material and non-material spiritual realms (High Council). Incarnated spirits that continue to exist at the expense of others and persecute those who strive to follow creational harmonic attributes should be separated as in the same principle of the separation of planets to ensure proper distance is maintained so that the evolutionary aspects of that particular planet is afforded the necessary environment to evolve on their own without interferences from other more advanced technological beings who intrude and cause a host of problems as witnessed by historical records of Earthly existence.<br />
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Both a parasitic spiritual incarnation and those that strive for harmonic endeavors cannot exist on the same planet and need to be separated in order for both to co-exist without endangering the other’s evolutionary development.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:38, 29 August 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_156&diff=19051Talk:Contact Report 1562012-08-25T22:50:25Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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I find it interesting although some group members were straying and wanted to live a different life and had there problems, they were still able to work and get things done when the most important task was at hand.:)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:31, 9 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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In this and some other Contact Reports Quetzal gave tips that could be used by Terrans to improve their human resource quality, not only for industrial purposes, but also for personal progress. The tips do not have the details about how exactly they should be applied, but only the broadlines of processes. Perhaps it is because Quetzal is not allowed to give the details, or perhaps because he thinks that Terrans have enough ability to find them out themselves and apply them in the forms, which could suit them well in their daily life . In this Contact Report, for example, Quetzal only said that manual activity is needed to increase the material consciousness-related learning capacity. There is no detailed information about how to do it. The readers could only figure it out themselves.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 20:11, 25 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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The Plejarens do not know exactly what types of tips to offer the Earthly humans simply for the fact that they do not have the necessary experiences to apply such measures to such a broad range of human degenerative attributes. What may be logical in their terms and experiences may not necessary be valid for Earth humans, even if they did do some technological analysis, the outcome may trigger a wrong response due to the fact that many here on Earth do not follow logical convention and are often delusional and irrational.<br />
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Manual labor is beneficial for both the evolved and unevolved ones because it causes the release of endorphins or “runner’s high” a state of mind elevation often after some intense physical activity. However for those who already experienced the rigors of intense concentration, physical activity is not a prerequisite since the individual mindset is geared towards intense internal processing, thus their brain level capacity is on a higher scale. Therefore these individuals are incorporating their 6th and 7th senses into their material conscious related capacity, which are also being accessed by the spiritual conscious related gemut processes<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:50, 25 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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The topics of this Contact Report are quite hard to me, so I could only make small comments here.<br />
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== Thomas is a genius. He came to the Centre only to sleep with K. Then he asked for an exception to be able to sleep with K more often. Then he asked mister Billy to give him the latest Contact Report, so he could learn the ordinal rules and subvert them, in order to be able to sleep with K without being disturbed by any duty. He even threatened Quetzal, so Quetzal would stay away from the Centre and close his eyes to the problems had been going on in the Centre, so he could calmly continue his primary activity, namely sleeping with K. Using his genial mind, Thomas had done some bad things in a way can not be imagined even by the worst villains ever lived on this planet, such as Arussem, Jehovah, Kamagol I, Kamagol II, Aruseak, and so on. <br />
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== There is almost nothing mentioned about K , so I can not say anything about her personality, psyche, material consciousness, spiritual consciousness, storagebank, and many other things.<br />
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== Erran marriage tradition belongs to Erran custom and ethiquettes, which could be very different than Terran. It is quite risky to apply the rules of Erran marriage on Earth without taking the traditional differences into account. From Erran custom's point of view, it is normal for a young man and a young woman to have an intimate relationship for 3 years without doing any sexual intercourse, while from Terran custom's, it would seem as completely abnormal. <br />
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== Quetzal's 42nd sentence seems problematic to me, so I compared the English version with the German one. I found the German version is also problematic. I gave up.<br />
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== The crown of love is a risky concept, that could make many confusions among Terran youths and lead them to the incorrect interpretation of love. They would think, if there is a crown of love, then logically there must be a kingdom of love, full of love castles, love forts, love barracks, love fields, love barns, love houses, love roads, love markets, love schools, and love museums. Things will get much worse in this solar system, when the Terran youths start to think like that.<br />
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I think all can find love naturally but there magnetic sense as BEAM has spoken about has been damaged due to inability to process everything correctly. Interpretation or perception is the problem people have a age in mind, a salary in mind, but they neglect the natural bond that 2 can feel when they are truly in love. It's like a walk in the park with someone you just met and seem to have known them forever. Sometimes it may take a few years but sometimes those with further advanced receptors just know who they are destined to be with through there ability to feel and sense or connection. There are way too many divorces in this time because people are getting together for the wrong reasons if they listed the reasons they are together with there mates then they would find why they are either not happy or are eventually going to split. I hope our natural magnetic sense returns at full capability so one day in the future the greatest of all creations abilities is not only a visual or timely trend but accepted in a natural way. People will say it's a physical attraction or a mental attraction, if all senses were in order you can find a perfect balance for each persons unique taste in style. Love being the greatest also brings the greatest possible pain if one truly is in love. Nowadays people tend to hook up with everyone because they don't know the meaning of it at all. Our combined Terran intelligence is that of a young teenager and our approach majority wise is that way as well, a new gal in high school every few weeks. :) I think as time passes and we wisen up in all areas of our evolution we will find the true meaning for ourselves. It's best not to dictate love because it's a uncontainable feeling that is unique to each individual. <br />
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The vast majority of earth humans do not have the necessary discipline to manage their relationships which are based on wrong reasons, often selfish in nature that results in divorce and broken families including chaotic kids running wild making more babies whom they cannot take care of.<br />
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If a guy makes a kid and abandons it, then he should be castrated as not to contaminate the population again, the same goes for females.<br />
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Marriage should be like some 10 year business plan naming each step on the way with quarterly review in front of a panel to determine if future goals will be met or not. A checklist of items be scored in order to have an accurate assessment of the current situation, for example on his list, he could place negative points on her behavior such as excessive intrusions (noisy) and mother-in-law interferences. Or on her list, she could point out his picking his nose in public, then of course positive point lists are to be included.<br />
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In the end, total both scores and find a solution before continuing. That is one way of resolving many of the problems before they get out of hand, but the question remain, will most adhere to these types of self discipline methods, the unfortunate answer is probably no.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:17, 21 August 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:His_Work&diff=18980Talk:His Work2012-08-16T02:03:13Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Tk said ... ==<br />
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Hello !<br />
I have a random question !<br />
Its about Randy Winter. I recently found out that this guy was more about money then actually helping Billy's mission and before i discovered this i had already purchased his book The Pleiadian Mission. I began reading the book and i noticed that some things seemed to be more of his opinion than actual contact notes and one particular paragraph bothered me. Its the last paragraph on page 68 where he talks about the Pleiadians and it reads as follows: THEY ARE HUMAN JUST LIKE US WITH FEW PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES. THEIR SKIN IS WHITER THAN OURS AS A RESULT OF HIGHER EVOLUTION. ITS A NATUAL FUNCTION OF EVOLUTION THAT THE BODY MATERIAL BECOMES LESS DENSE WITH LESS PIGMENT THROUGH MULTIPLE LIFETIMES. The 2 things i have a problem with is the whiter skin and less pigment because of higher evolution. I can except the less dense part but to say that in all the universe with the many different skin colors that all of these races must turn pal white before they return to creation is hard to believe. I think that Randy Winters changed things because according to Billys notes the Yellow race is suppose to be a older race than the pleiadians and there yellow not pasty white, so i would like someone to point out in billys contact notes where it says that you become whiter threw evolution ? <br />
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== PJMKoeken said ... ==<br />
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Where can I find his books?<br />
I am very interrested in what knowledge he is passing to us ( earth Humans)<br />
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--[[User:PJMKoeken|PJMKoeken]] 20:59, 15 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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figu.org and theyfly.com sell his books.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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As one passes through the dense material being, they become translucent in the half material/spiritual Being as in what the High Council is currently at.<br />
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Randy Winter is all about money and never gave Billy a single cent from all the shows and financial gains he got out of Billy's materials. Why he choose to link the whiteness of some race to the evolutionary stages is beyond logical reasonings, maybe it appeals to the white audience Randy caters to?<br />
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That is why if contact is finally made between Earthly humans and some ET race, it will be more benefical for these advanced races be not of the white one, it will only justify the continued legacy of white supermacy amongst earthly humans.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:03, 16 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I'm guessing from Ptaah's comments that Earth is not a desired rest stop for ships looking for a quick bathroom break. I'm guessing that thet recommend you hold it in until you get waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past Earth. :)<br />
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Amazing. Once again, hats-off to you Beam. I am grateful beyond expression. truly, beyond expression.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Fear is a great motivator to spend on defense as well as maintaining the current government structure. We're not going to be gullible and expect all space faring objects and it's beings to all be peaceful. We should be prepared and not paint a picture of all things different as an enemy or inferior. If we maintain that mindset spcce and planets we discover will not end well in the future. We should keep on open defensive mind but don't create and stir trouble. I think governments also fear that there structure deep down that is a failed system of ruling people if a superior race comes with a fair ruling plan that doesn't involve many things that shouldn't be part of the decision process they feel threatened. We should be a confident race and stop the behind the scenes dramatic series in order to progress in consciousness. Our immature ways are getting old. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The primary reasons why these secret services and governments are plotting against Earthly humans in establishing contact with ET’s is their fear that the truth will be discovered through the interaction between them and that threatens the power base and strangle hold they have over the populace. These power lustful selfish human parasites are only interested in maintaining their control over others including stealing the technology of these ET’s to further their insaness for more power and abuse of others.<br />
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Fear and persecution of others are part of their agendas in order to exert their grip of power over others who want to share this information with others. They fear these ET’s who they cannot control because of their vastly superior technology and spiritual evolution which will make even the most “accomplished Earthly PhD’s” a mere baby talk babbling when trying to explain the logical sense of creational materials and methods that these Plejarens have at hand, being millions of years ahead in evolution.<br />
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These are some of the reasons why over 21 assassination attempts have been directed against Billy Meier, because he brings the truth to an otherwise dark evil agendas the governments of Earth has and continue to pursue. They do not want you to learn the truth, but keep you in the dark, burdened with fear and ignorance because it is much easier to control you that way or if one still pursues the truth, then kill him/her. These are the ways of a barbarian, like their forefathers such as “Arus the Barbarian and Jevoha the Cruel One” Just hope our ET friends do not abandon those who pursue the truth.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:13, 13 August 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:How_did_our_universe_and_our_world_come_into_existence%3F&diff=18950Talk:How did our universe and our world come into existence?2012-08-11T03:16:34Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== ory said ... ==<br />
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How many absolute absolutums are in existence .<br />
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and absolute perfection does not exist anywere , do you agree .<br />
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Just my opinion, from what I can gather, the Absolute Absolution is the highest "state of BEING" reached after Creation has evolved or "obtained" the 10 to the 49th power of evolution, in which more Creation(s) are created and "adds" to the endless/timeless of a never ending "expansion" of the Absolute Absolution which "exists" in the non-space realm.<br />
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Absolute Perfection can never be "obtained", it is always evolving, and if it did reach that "stage", then evolution will cease to evolve...it is a never ending process that continues forever.<br />
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"It" or better described as<br />
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== Suv said ... ==<br />
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Even Creation is evolving. So absolute pefection does not exists.<br />
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Even the Absolute Absolutum evolves into Ur-Absolutum, Central Absolutum, Creations Absolutum, Super Absolutum, Sohar Absolutum, BEING Absolutum and possibly many more higher Absolutum forms.<br />
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== Stuart said ... ==<br />
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Hi, I do not have a religious axe to grind, but I find the comment about being no Creator God.<br />
If these happening are the result of 'Spiritual-Physical' processes, how can a 'Creator' not be involved. Also, this 'birthing' process was set up to behave in a particular manner. Where did it's programming come from?<br />
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== Noahochoa said ... ==<br />
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can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?<br />
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== Noahochoa said ... ==<br />
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can you explain the 7 universal belts to me?<br />
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--[[User:Noahochoa|Noahochoa]] 07:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Stuart, something did in a sense give birth to the Creation, but the Creation itself created the visible universe from its own idea. In a similar sense, someone did give birth to you, but you are still creating your life. <br />
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Noahochoa, FIGU Bulletin #5 has a good explanation or just do a search on "belts" to see what the Plejaren say themselves.<br />
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== Usedname said ... ==<br />
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Glory be to the Creation. :) Extremely difficult and seemingly impossible is the distribution of the truth about the almighty Creation,its laws and recommendations. Seems like my existence on Earth is amongst degenerate primates who swing on the vines of trees in a jungle of impenetrable ignorance, arrogance,and megalomania. :(<br />
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--[[User:Usedname|Usedname]] 11:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Actually it would be futile in attempting to conceptualize where or when Creation starts or ends because “its” idea is a result of countless accumulations of knowledge and experiences from various foundations of evolution to include the material as well as the non-material realms of existence.<br />
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The very nature of Creation is the evolutionary process of being into BEING and BEING into being and so forth, the merging from the physical to the half physical/spiritual to the Arahat Athersata to the Petale and so forth. Thus Creation can never be “contained” in any shape, form or thoughts for doing so (if possible?) would violate its free will of evolutionary nature. <br />
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It is like saying “I will think for you, therefore I am you”! You are not longer unique but just another clone that has just stopped evolving.<br />
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== Radacci said ... ==<br />
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is there an inconsistency here?<br />
it states at the first line that big bang comes from ur-universe.<br />
but it says creation universe is the lowest evolution state, and next comes ur-universe?<br />
if we're an creation universe, how can creation universe exist before ur-universe, which gives it birth?<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Our universe has a twin I wonder if it had octuplets and that occured because of the big bang X2 and the Earth came to be through billions of years of collsions in which our planet came to be. It's amazing how quickly we can destroy a planet knowing how long it takes to create one. Weird. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Excellent summary and I would like to add a little "salt" to the bitter truth that NO god or gods or for that matter any religious dogma has a MONOPOLY on Creation! For Creation, because it is Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors.<br />
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Thus, every single human and other intelligences knowledge/experiences will also in due course merge into the Absolute Absolutum to again create more wonderful things. To claim that these god or gods have absolute control of Creation is a travesty of justice against humanity for this concept only validates the barbaric nature of some parasitic entity existing at the expense others.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:02, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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"Relatively perfect and constantly evolving forever "it" needs more knowledge and experiences to continue merging into more creative endeavors. "<br />
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It needs more knowledge and experiences at my behalf though - at my expense. How convenient. Congratulations, enslaving parasites for your amazing insights.<br />
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It needs more knowledge you say? ROFL. Theres empty space. Then thers stuff you can build and shape any way you want on top of the empty space. What more knowledge is there to know? Needs more knowlege you say? What knowledge can it really get when it created / molded the constants/parameters to behave in whatever way it wants. You ass kissers don't understand anything.<br />
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Easy for our Creator to play its f@ggot game since it had the chance of being created first before anyone else, it could have easily been the other way around, except I wouldn't even think to create eating, shitting, breathing, animal bloodsports, being at the mercy of random psychopath's weapons, forcing all to suck cock / eat vagina against their own will, etc, etc, etc.<br />
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You parasite criminals think you understand? You understand nothing. You are nothing but puppets. Retard bondage clowns, understand simple logic, Creation can do anything it wants with its stuff/constants/parameters. So why do retarded/annoying sh!t on purpose?<br />
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And all of you, you went along with this. If you humans on all planets had a gram of righteousness in you, you would stop reproducing to force Creation to change it's laws to be more fun. Laws like for example, those that want to be granted freedom from reincarnation must be granted it. It's only fair.<br />
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Of course I wouldn't expect unrighteous enslaving parasite c0ck starved bondage clowns like yourselves to understand this.<br />
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Like bizzare weasel cockroaches you roam the planet pillaging everything in your path. You then choose an inverse genital target to have an inverse relationship and to force another into cocksucking expeditions. Through succesive lifetimes you swap genital roles and have at it again. Like bizzare weasel cockroaches it required inverse genitals to lure you into decreasing your psychopathness. NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT ONE LIFETIME YOU PARASITED XY, THE NEXT IT WAS YOUR CHILD AND YOU SHOWERED IT WITH EFFORT/WORK/TIME, THE NEXT YOU CUT ITS THROAT, THE NEXT YOU DEEPTHROATED IT'S COCK FOR 5 HOURS STRAIGHT, I WANT ALL OF YOU TO ENJOY TAKING EACH OTHER SERIOUSLY KNOWING THAT GENITALS WERE THE PIVITAL DIFFERENCE, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. THAT'S THE MASTERY OF OUR CREATOR.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 01:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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That was awesome. Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case yet, totally focused on hating it also. Amazing, Eloquent, Ignorant, Masterful....Me Gusta.<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 01:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Yeah, wow... "Newb slayer" - That was such a nonsensical, illogical, crude, primitive, defamatory and puffy-chested post that I don't think it even warrants any more than this remark in response.<br />
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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 01:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Someone wants attention, I don't know who but I think they might be onto something. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 02:58, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Newb slayer,<br />
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I would highly recommend your credentials to be a judge for the Giza Intelligences on that prison planet millions of light years away! It's just too bad they all died in 1996. Maybe we can find you some employment for other degenerates in the DERN universe who are in need of such "Enlightenment".<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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"Completely unhindered by the need to know anything about this case "<br />
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I know this case perfectly well. I do not debate that master Meier is the real deal prophet of the new time, nor do I debate the math/physics of the case or anything and everything in general.<br />
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I'm simply stating that Creation's laws are injust.<br />
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THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. It's only fair. Anythign less is enslaving bondage.<br />
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You see, bondage clowns, "love" is a 2 way street. It's not "love" any more if it's forced. Then it's bondage. If I was Creation, I would allow freedom from reincarnation to those that wanted. The masters/elite get to escape on to better things, and you that enjoy building weapons and rectal residue can have your fun, everyone wins.<br />
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"Ignorant". ROFL. Look at yourself in the mirror to see who willfully IGNORES all angles on the table. You are nothing but puppets/sheep/cattle blindly following what you have been told without scrutinizing deeply in your own interior everything.<br />
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Don't get me wrong, what you've been told is the truth, Meier is the real deal, I know this fully well, the point is: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT. Is this so wrong?<br />
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Anything less is enslaving bondage, and it's this principle why you are being torn apart and brought back down to reality, not what you want to cram down other people's throats: that's not "love"; "love" must be reciprical. Those that want it, full power to you, those that don't, must be granted freedom from reincarnation; everyone wins; everyone is happy. SOMETIMES, THE PRINCIPLE MATTERS. SOMETIMES THE PRINCIPLE IS EVERYTHING.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 04:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Newb, you say those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it? Since you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference? So you think it's better if you don't reincarnate? What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work. You've said so yourself. What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about. Personally I blame religion for most of that and people's weak mindedness to do the easy thing (or to go along with the crowd) instead of what is considered hard work.<br />
I think you're stuck on some concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of things. Love ya!<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 18:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Thank ypu Sheila. You beat me to it! Salome!<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 19:42, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites to include the gods, their cohorts the sons/daughters of heaven, creator overlords, Giza and other ET’s that still harbor thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.<br />
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We are all victims of these injustices, including Billy Meier, whose incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon is also bearing the same experiences we all are going through in spite of the fact that he co-created both the Plejarens, their ancestors including the creator overlords (responsible for the ageing manipulation and the reason why we don’t live past 100 years) Even Billy Meier’s spirit is subjected to the reincarnation process even though Nokodemjon was a pure spiritual form of the Arahat Athersata level, it to is going through this painful period to last millions of years or more even just to reach the half spiritual level again.<br />
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To say this is unfair, I would certainly agree for there are options to resolve this, but those in power to do so still have not “found” the logical humane cosmic laws to reference its appropriate applications nor the will to do so. The capacity to render this solution lies in both inside and outside of Earthly domains, it is the merging of both worlds that the final solutions will be forthcoming.<br />
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It is also true that creational laws as currently known to exist will not work to resolve the gross travesty inflicted on both the spiritual and material planes currently experienced on Earth. These laws need to evolve at the same intensity that produced such degenerated conditions because of the Cause and Effect which was and continue to be negated by its opposite, the Not-Cause and Not-Effect, because the forces that could have prevented such events from occurring did not react in DUE time, it was and continue to be “after the fact” as displayed in the intervention from higher intelligences during the Bardan episode when they destroyed several worlds in their homelands a little over 1000 years ago.<br />
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Does it have to take this sort of crisis in order for creation to “readjust” its equilibrium, or do we wait 800 years as the Plejarens have predicted before they believe its time Earthly matters are to be taken seriously?<br />
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When Billy says “we are all connected” is so very true and I am confident to mention that we are linked through the spirit’s various connections from the material to non-material spectrum that spans time/space and dimensions up to the spiritual level where Nokodemjon came from and even beyond. It is when one finds these connections that he/she has which also links to others as well and when his/her spirit begins to resonate from logical reasoning’s between the material conscious and subconscious, that these links also begin to resonate along its appropriate paths that will produce the harmonic impulses for the most appropriate equilibrium resolutions. This resolution is administered through the “Equational Potential Formulations”, a complex form of balanced forces that includes every single incident, event, space, time, dimensions, actions/reactions, Cause & Effect, Not-Cause & Not-Effect, both the positive and negative factors or parameters and other things, nothing is excluded. Its concept is not listed in Billy’s materials and I only discovered this rather recently, its application cannot be applied using Earthly technology, but requires much higher frequency processing because fine matter energy is also included which plays a very important function<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Due to fluctuating thought process Newb Slayer I suggest being incarnated as often and fast as possible as some members suggested to find a more stable Peaceful Slayer. The change in fluctuating TONE can ONLY be improved THROUGH multiple LIFETIMES. ;) Hang in there my fellow human people. I thought of that very same scenario as well to tell you the truth due to the unnatural process of incarnation in this territory but a little more organization let's say 75% more and everyone can develop accordingly if everyone wasn't crammed into one planet in the region and there was a clear goal for every human on the planet that doesn't have to do with material or power growth. Time will tell if the process becomes natural. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Silly newbs, all your robot newb antics were already answered 10fold in the first post. You lack reading comprehension. So you puppet cattle sheep newbs want to be slain mercilessly do you? Let’s begin.<br />
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To the newb clowns known as Sheila and Zameen:<br />
“you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference?”<br />
Are you mentally retarded? It’s not about that; this was quiet clear from the get go. It’s about not liking living in a weakling shitty, snot filled, need to breathe just to stay alive disgustingly ugly human body, easily harmed and injured. It’s about a rejection of the present version of reality (which can be constructed an infinite number of other ways). Ignorant bondage robot, can you understand, that the present version of reality can be constructed an infinite number of other ways by Creation? Can you grasp this simple concept already mentioned in the first post? Can you understand that if Creation wanted to, it could make you not have to eat, not have to shit, not have to work to produce goods, not have any pain sensors, unlocking flight 900000000X easier, not be dependent on you and your kind’s noxious breeding bondage fetishes, to biological weapons, ray weapons, nuclear weapons, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, you C0CKRAOCH CHARGING BONDAGE NEWBS? Can you understand this simple concept, c0ck starved charging bondage robots? Just look at the sh!t that’s coming out of your mouth. I mean, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to have a serious debate.<br />
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“What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work.”<br />
Wow just wow. See the previous paragraph again. Again you come with random garbage. Do you speak the language of logic you maggot bondage robot? Second of all you maggot b!tch, what’s it to you what motives someone has for that; that’s their own business. No one is stopping you from continuing your weapon building, noxious breeding vermin, mini me fetished, cock sucking expeditions with your fellow bondage robots if it turns you on. Those that want an exit must be given an exit. Can you understand this simple concept? Third of all, you stupid animal, - YOU - need a lot of work. You think just because you are fallible, everyone else is as well? You think everyone is at your special needs level? Don’t project your failings/shortcomings onto others. (AND NO YOU STUPID ANIMAL, YOU DON’T GET TO POINT AT ME AS BEING FALLIBLE BECAUSE I’M NOT SUGAR COATING MY WORDS WHILE YOU GET TO BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS IN A WEAKLING CRAP AND SNOT FILLED BODY)<br />
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“What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about.”<br />
You robot charging b!tch. We’re not even talking about the same thing. Not everything is about you, you charging animal. Yes you have free will to bondage others to a 14x overpopulated toxic wasteland surrounded by weapons, to psychopath predators. I also have free will to knee kick you in the face right after I throw fireballs at you, which is coming you psychopath bondage animal. What exactly is your point you charging robot? Again, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious debate.<br />
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Sheila, I think you are stuck on some rectal residue, mini me fetished, weapon building, NOXIOUS BREEDING VERMIN concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of the-infinite-number-of-other-versions-of-reality- that-could-exist things. This is not the only version of reality possible you rabbid animal. Can you understand this simple concept? You stupid charging animal, all of this was already answered in the first post. How stupid do you feel? By the way what are the chances that you are ugly and physically weak / unfit, and unappealing. Pyrokinesis ya. LULZ.<br />
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To the charging bondage robot newb known as Hawaiian:<br />
“Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites.... thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.“<br />
ROFL. YOU RABBID CHARGING ANIMAL. I don’t want universe domination; I want to be space fish, without your idiot restrictions that you have the audacity to force on everyone, just chilling out peacefully not in bondage to PSYCHOPATH ANIMALS LIKE YOURSELF AND LIVING IN A RESTRICTIVE HUMAN BODY. Can you read simple English? This was already answered in the first post. Can you understand simple logic you rabbid charging animal? Me a “parasite”? ROFL, I mean really now, this is the best you can come up with. I want a peaceful exit from reincarnation, MEANWHILE YOU AND YOUR KIND WANT TO FORCEFULLY BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS , TO YOUR DIGUSTING AND WEAK HUMAN BODY, TO PREDATORS, TO JAMAL’S HANDGUN, JUST SO YOU CAN INDULGE IN YOUR BIZZARE MINI ME / POCKET FORCED FRIEND / MORE ADVANCED PET FETISHES, and I’m the parasite? ROFL. Silly newb, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious discussion: THOSE THAT WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED IT.<br />
As for the history lesson. I already know the history. I’m interested in having an abstract debate, not your trivial human b!tch games. In fact you just ridiculed yourself. In all of that horrible history you just described, you (and your kind) ego tripping bondage robots went along with it. GOOD WORK CHARGING BONDAGE GHETTO NEWBS. You psychopath bondage robot(s) have to ask yourself 1 question. Who’s the bigger psychopath? The psychopaths themselves? OR YOU WHO REPRODUCES BESIDE PSYCHOPATHS? ROFL. Weakling animal, the point of life is to achieve Creation’s level of power/mastery/godliness. The present version of reality's constants/parameters was constructed with heavy limitations to teach bondage clowns like yourself a brutal lesson. ROFL. An essential lesson of Creation's game (straight from master Meier’s mouth) is, “the mastery of one’s ego”. When you are surrounded by criminally overpopulating noxious breeding vermin and weapon builders, you don’t reproduce. In doing so, your spirit is effectively teleported in time (you wait , till the primitive animals on the planet have reached a compatible level of evolution for it to be reinserted), or in space (if the primitive noxious breeding weapon building animals eradicate themselves, your spirit moves to another planet). By you having bondage fetishes and going on an EGO tripping bondage rampage you only own yourself. Congratulations psycho newb. That's the mastery of our Creator you charging ego tripping animal. That’s kind version of it. Now for your newb slaying version: if all humans on all planets reject Creation’s primitive laws, it will have no choice but to alter them: to allow freedom from reincarnation should one desire it, and to remove all of the unnecessary restrictions.<br />
The rest of your post was just random gibberish. Charging bondage animal, everything was already answered in the first post: It doesn’t matter if you accurately described the present version of reality, because an infinite number of other versions could exist, yet you ANIMAL BONDAGE ROBOTS INSIST ON PRAISING THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. Everything was already answered in the first post: there’s empty space; then there’s stuff Creation can build and shape an infinite number of ways on top of (in) the empty space; then there’s your choice whether to accept it or not (via reproduction). Charging bondage robot, again this was already answered in the first post. Charging bondage robot, FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED TO THOSE THAT DESIRE IT. Not everyone craves the bondage like you do. Who could have known?<br />
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To cockroach newb known as MARKVD:<br />
Your random gibberish was already answered. An enslaving parasite till the very end are you? (those that want freedom from reincarnation must be granted it). Well you animal, what you fail to understand is that through your own bondage ego, you are open to manipulation and erradication. I suggest you get over your fetish with forcing your bondage on to others. Is that the only language you understand? So what you want is to force everyone into ass kissery with no option of a PEACEFUL exit to those that want it? And you find this reasonable? An enslaving parasite until the very end are you?<br />
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PS. Genitals.<br />
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PPS. mini me fetishes, MORE ADVANCED PETS, pocket forced friends. flagrant prostitution. RECTAL RESIDUE. CUM SHOTZ. DIRTY SANCHEZ. GOLD SHOWERS. machine guns, atomic bombs, poisonous oxygen depleted air, nutrient depleted food, politics, paper pushing, projectile semen, deep throating, biological weapons causing gruesome slow deaths, mana depleted earth, noxious breeding reproduction, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaj, genital logic, bondage, RICHARD GERE PRESENTS GIRBLING.<br />
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PPPS. What are the chances that all of you are ugly and physically unappealing. Tremble in fear hypocrite/irresponsible charging ghetto newb bondage clown robot life form psychopaths. The elite (the true elite, not comparable to the 2nd place material elite) are back. We show up every few 10 thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, enslaving parasites that you are. Are you ready for your next massacre? Enjoy the anticipation.<br />
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http://feww.wordpress.com/2011-disaster-calendar/<br />
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http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/49/ZannahDoEcropped.jpg<br />
http://ssj1011.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/broly.jpg<br />
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What are the chances all of you are ugly animals with bodies that look like living corpses?<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-tTO8PpoQ<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYt3T3SxV4<br />
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Who the fvck do you think you are that you get to forcefully bond others to you without the option of a peaceful exit: freedom from reincarnation must be granted to those that want it. On your knees. I want you to beg for forgiveness, not suck c0ck like you were hoping, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. The true elite are back. We show up every few 10thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.<br />
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Meier’s words: “The world will reverberate from a powerful and merciless war cry, and cities will be destroyed, and the blood of human beings will flow in streams.<br />
Hatred and vindictiveness will flood the earth, and human beings will live with the delusional belief of a doubtful peace, which they hope in vain to attain, for a worldwide war will inundate the earth, and nobody will be spared; not the old, not the women and children, not the sick and the injured, and not the just and the peaceful.”<br />
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and why should the women be spared, they are equally evil psychopaths, they are males in vaginal avatars after all, c0ckhungry charging bondage robots.<br />
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Some ask for a peaceful exit from reincarnation and you dare come to the discussion with your regujitated bondage fetishes. Are you ready to have fireballs thrown at you? Since you refuse to understand verbal logic (you must all either convince Creation to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it, or you must all halt reproduction on all planets to demand Creation to change its bondage laws to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it), perhaps you'll understand magic used against you logic, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. Enjoy being born in 20/40/80 years after your death and being enslaved (via reproduction) just like what you like to do, while some get to skim though your bondage in thousands of years. Enjoy the apocalypse bondage animals; it doesn't come often, and it will be giving out enriched extended lessons on the topic of bondage, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 20:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Nice to meet you to, I do not know why you exist right now if you are so happy. You know what you can do to rest in peace. :) I do wish you well on your journey of endless growth and development. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Newb "the psycho" slayer,<br />
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Have you forgotten to take your medicine, maybe double your dose of Prozac? You talk so tough while behind a keyboard so I suggest you start sending me some direct aggressive impulses so we'll see who becomes the slayer of your delusional sick mental degeneration thoughts?<br />
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Why attack Zameen and Sheila who tells the truth about yourself that only an idiot like you won't admit to and learn from the process? You got no class and Jamesm should just erase your filthy postings.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:26, 29 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Freedom from reincarnation is never going to happen Newb slayer, no matter how many times you say it or wish it. So you better get over it. I agree with Hawaiian, you really need to get back on your meds. I laughed my ass off while reading your rant, you sound very much like a child who can't get his way. Grow up and start talking like an adult so people can understand what you're saying. You don't make much sense. But I'm sure you get that a lot in your everyday life. You have a very sick version of reality. But that is your version alone and I'm glad it's only you that has that opinion. Do you think maybe your mom didn't love you enough? Oh and lay off the porn, k?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 02:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Is that you, Christian? Do you still live in Romania?<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 05:42, 30 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I've included Newb's UNEDITED postings and included in bold a response to his delusional ranting. Hope we can learn something besides taking up valuable space on this website.<br />
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Silly newbs, all your robot newb antics were already answered 10fold in the first post. You lack reading comprehension. So you puppet cattle sheep newbs want to be slain mercilessly do you? Let’s begin. <br />
To the newb clowns known as Sheila and Zameen: “you don't remember who you were in your last lifetime, how the heck is this going to make any difference?” Are you mentally retarded? It’s not about that; this was quiet clear from the get go. It’s about not liking living in a weakling shitty, snot filled, need to breathe just to stay alive disgustingly ugly human body, easily harmed and injured. It’s about a rejection of the present version of reality (which can be constructed an infinite number of other ways). Ignorant bondage robot, can you understand, that the present version of reality can be constructed an infinite number of other ways by Creation? Can you grasp this simple concept already mentioned in the first post? Can you understand that if Creation wanted to, it could make you not have to eat, not have to shit, not have to work to produce goods, not have any pain sensors, unlocking flight 900000000X easier, not be dependent on you and your kind’s noxious breeding bondage fetishes, to biological weapons, ray weapons, nuclear weapons, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, you C0CKRAOCH CHARGING BONDAGE NEWBS? Can you understand this simple concept, c0ck starved charging bondage robots? Just look at the sh!t that’s coming out of your mouth. I mean, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to have a serious debate. <br />
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Sheila and Zameen were referring to YOU not knowing your own past life cycle reincarnations which plays a very important role on the current personality which apparently has become separated in your case. To call others “mentally retarded” because they have not yet evolved to Billy’s level where he can access his past personalities, which means everyone else, including you is beyond human logic and on the verge of delusion.<br />
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However, there are a few who do occasionally have a glimpse of their past personality’s experience and knowledge under certain conditions when their other 6th and 7senses are activated mostly through dreams or strong emotional events.<br />
Creation does not have the option to decide who can by pass the material conscious belts, avoiding the reincarnation process and immediately move into the non-physical realms, that occurrence is dependent on each individual’s ability to do so through experience and knowledge gained through repeated incarnation which “normally” (without interferences) take between 40-60 million years, then another 60-80 billion years of EVOLUTION to become a pure spiritual Being.<br />
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“What would be the purpose in that? To stagnate and never evolve? Each subsequent life should have a chance to make themselves better because currently humans need a lot of work.” Wow just wow. See the previous paragraph again. Again you come with random garbage. Do you speak the language of logic you maggot bondage robot? Second of all you maggot b!tch, what’s it to you what motives someone has for that; that’s their own business. No one is stopping you from continuing your weapon building, noxious breeding vermin, mini me fetished, cock sucking expeditions with your fellow bondage robots if it turns you on. Those that want an exit must be given an exit. Can you understand this simple concept? Third of all, you stupid animal, - YOU - need a lot of work. You think just because you are fallible, everyone else is as well? You think everyone is at your special needs level? Don’t project your failings/shortcomings onto others. (AND NO YOU STUPID ANIMAL, YOU DON’T GET TO POINT AT ME AS BEING FALLIBLE BECAUSE I’M NOT SUGAR COATING MY WORDS WHILE YOU GET TO BOND OTHERS TO A 14X OVERPOPULATED TOXIC WASTELAND SURROUNDED BY WEAPONS IN A WEAKLING CRAP AND SNOT FILLED BODY) <br />
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No one on this board including those you refer to is in any way responsible for building any weapons so why are you implying they are doing so and insulting them, you are switching the bad people with the good ones which is delusional.<br />
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“What you're missing is that all people have free will. THEY choose to do all those things you speak about.” You robot charging b!tch. We’re not even talking about the same thing. Not everything is about you, you charging animal. Yes you have free will to bondage others to a 14x overpopulated toxic wasteland surrounded by weapons, to psychopath predators. I also have free will to knee kick you in the face right after I throw fireballs at you, which is coming you psychopath bondage animal. What exactly is your point you charging robot? Again, it doesn’t even look like you are trying to have a serious debate. <br />
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Define what you mean by “free will to bondage others in overpopulation”, this statement is a contradiction, how can someone being outside of others doing the overpopulation have “free will” over them when the ones doing the over population are the ones with the free will not to do so? Again switching roles from your delusional mind do not make sense, maybe it does for you so it’ll be advisable to take your medications before you post something here?<br />
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Sheila, I think you are stuck on some rectal residue, mini me fetished, weapon building, NOXIOUS BREEDING VERMIN concept that is meaningless in the whole scheme of the-infinite-number-of-other-versions-of-reality- that-could-exist things. This is not the only version of reality possible you rabbid animal. Can you understand this simple concept? You stupid charging animal, all of this was already answered in the first post. How stupid do you feel? By the way what are the chances that you are ugly and physically weak / unfit, and unappealing. Pyrokinesis ya. LULZ. <br />
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Have you even met or seen Sheila, so how can you say these nasty things about her?<br />
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To the charging bondage robot newb known as Hawaiian: “Newb does have some valid points on the discrepancies between the “masters/elite” known as parasites.... thoughts of world and universe domination at the expense of others.“ ROFL. YOU RABBID CHARGING ANIMAL. I don’t want universe domination; I want to be space fish, without your idiot restrictions that you have the audacity to force on everyone, just chilling out peacefully not in bondage to PSYCHOPATH ANIMALS LIKE YOURSELF AND LIVING IN A RESTRICTIVE HUMAN BODY. <br />
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Can you read simple English? This was already answered in the first post. Can you understand simple logic you rabbid charging animal? Me a “parasite”? ROFL, I mean really now, this is the best you can come up with. I want a peaceful exit from reincarnation<br />
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Who said you are a “parasite”, only you came to that conclusion unless you are part of the 144,128 former sons and daughters of heaven whose codex has been released because of the OM written by Billy? So that leaves the creator overlords and those here on Earth who occupy such positions where they do exist at the expense of others, so clearly you do not fall into either one of these categories, where did you get that idea of being a parasite, not from me but in your mind?<br />
I did not “force” any idiotic restrictions on anyone including yourself, I just pointed out the relationship between those that want world and universal domination and if I had that power and used it, you would not be here ranting about it. By the way what is “space fish” which you desire?<br />
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Who the fvck do you think you are that you get to forcefully bond others to you without the option of a peaceful exit: freedom from reincarnation must be granted to those that want it. On your knees. I want you to beg for forgiveness, not suck c0ck like you were hoping, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. The true elite are back. We show up every few 10thousand years to give you a more personal taste of the bondage you crave, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. <br />
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The idea you propose as “option of a peaceful exit from reincarnation” must be granted to those that “want” it goes against Creation laws. Are you kidding me, I’ll never go on my knees and beg to a delusion nut case like you!<br />
So now you admit you are part of that “elite” “We show up every few thousand years to give a personal taste of the bondage you crave”. If so, then why are you directing that approach to the wrong people, why not go directly to the ones who have the true power on Earth and threaten them? They’ll come and arrest you in no time, amongst other things to make your delusional dream come true.<br />
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Meier’s words: “The world will reverberate from a powerful and merciless war cry, and cities will be destroyed, and the blood of human beings will flow in streams. Hatred and vindictiveness will flood the earth, and human beings will live with the delusional belief of a doubtful peace, which they hope in vain to attain, for a worldwide war will inundate the earth, and nobody will be spared; not the old, not the women and children, not the sick and the injured, and not the just and the peaceful.” <br />
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Billy was referring to conditions of WW3 should it occur.<br />
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and why should the women be spared, they are equally evil psychopaths, they are males in vaginal avatars after all, c0ckhungry charging bondage robots. <br />
Some ask for a peaceful exit from reincarnation and you dare come to the discussion with your regujitated bondage fetishes. Are you ready to have fireballs thrown at you? Since you refuse to understand verbal logic (you must all either convince Creation to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it, or you must all halt reproduction on all planets to demand Creation to change its bondage laws to grant freedom from reincarnation to those that want it), perhaps you'll understand magic used against you logic, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. Enjoy being born in 20/40/80 years after your death and being enslaved (via reproduction) just like what you like to do, while some get to skim though your bondage in thousands of years. Enjoy the apocalypse bondage animals; it doesn't come often, and it will be giving out enriched extended lessons on the topic of bondage, ENSLAVING PARASITES THAT YOU ARE. <br />
--Newb slayer 20:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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Markvd “Nice to meet you to, I do not know why you exist right now if you are so happy.”<br />
I exist because you accept what is given. I exist because of YOUR force. Any other brilliant 2faced weasel questions? Just kidding, Happy Early April Fool’s Day.<br />
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You magnificent, amazing, beautiful, gods. Glory to all of you and to all of Creation’s Creations.<br />
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You’ve just been trolled. We did it out of boredom and for http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/f/fa/4tehlulz.jpg/618px-4tehlulz.jpg <br />
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Keep up the good work you amazing magnificent powerful glorious creatures that know no limits in your power and splendour. Your efforts are appreciated, you boundlessly generous Gods, you truly magnificent beings of splendour and power. And this applies to all of mankind, every last one of you, YOU MAGNIFICIENT BEAUTIFUL BEINGS OF AWESOMENESS. Much <33333. You magnanimous , splendid, godly gods.<br />
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*** The professional troll was due to appear if nothing more than simply from a Creational point of view, in addendum, notwithstanding other N reasons.<br />
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In conclusion, glory be to all of you splendid entities of awesomeness, YOU MAGNIFICENT AND PERFECT IMPERECT BEINGS (EACH AND EVERY LAST 1 OF YOU) AND GLORY BE TO CREATION. IT'S NOT ABOUT a GAME. YOU RISE LIKE THE REST. YOUR SUCCESS IS MY SUCCESS.<br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 13:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I said ... ==<br />
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Christian,<br />
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Your words seem very christian.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 14:55, 24 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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................not necessarily, there are those that rise the right way and those that do it the wrong way. Your way is the WRONG way Newb Slayer, but I still wish you well in your odd strategies. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 20:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Newb slayer said ... ==<br />
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I, Ur, Aiur, your further queries on Jesus, saviours, angels, demons, crucifixions, exorcism, belief, dependency, triviality, limitations, repetition, needs, appetites, etc... have yielded a result. Refer to diagrams 69a, and 69b<br />
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69a<br />
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/nicki-minaj-i-dont-need-to-rap-about-my-genitalia-to-be-successful-2012172 <br />
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69b<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM <br />
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--[[User:Newb slayer|Newb slayer]] 13:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== I said ... ==<br />
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Christian,<br />
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Thank you for the Youtube link. I tried to save it, but failed. I have some questions about it:<br />
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1. How long have you been hiding this monumental video?<br />
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2. Is he real? Have you made spectral analysis of the video?<br />
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3. Is there a period in your life when you belive that he is your God?<br />
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4. When I saw it, the video has gotten 51,618,149 views. How many percent of it is from you? <br />
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-newbslayer- you spelled "young,inexperienced loud mouth atheist" wrong. You see newb, you actually had to seek out this wiki, read your requisite pittance of information, process it through your hard line atheist filter, and deliver your hateful drivel(and it is truly drivel). Not one of these folks here have tried to find you and attack you online, nor would they because one of the things discussed here in this forum is those of us in society with such thoughts,feelings,and behavior as yours and trying to understand why it is happening, finding the correct, neutral positive way to remedy the hate, fear,ignorance,and maybe in your case dad was a little too friendly when mom was out of town, I don't know(you should ask reddit). <br />
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Anyhoo, for the most part we're all adults trying to find a better, more peaceful way of evolving and acquiring knowledge, wisdom, and love. if that offends you, then you should stop coming here and picking on everyone and just go back to reddit or ebaumsworld or wherever you smolder. your just being a d!#& and no one really cares. <br />
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But the Absolute Absolutum is just another word for the the First Source unknowable God of Monotheism. Not the 'God' of the Old Testament it's true, But most MODERN believers in 'God' would describe it in a way very similar to the Asolute Absolutum, Theosophists call the First Source, the Absolute and its' first emanations the Logos, this is the part of The Absolute/God that is at the centre of the Universe and that we are Spiritualy Evolving towards. Meiers teachings are not really new. he has adapted them from Rosicrusianism, Buddhism, Neo-Platonism, Hermeticism and Theosophy, he has made a Religion for Old Testament hating Atheists ! <br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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You do know all these religions Vizard were altered in order to have the illusion of accuracy. Religion if you look closely enough with great detail the deception and the flaws. There is no imitation or alternate variations for truth. There are many ways to reach it but you can't do it by acquiring funds, manipulating a poplulace in order to take advantage of them any way possible then all of a sudden change and update to the newest findings as centuries, decades, years pass. Religions will always have to change dramatically to match the times thus it is not all times thus is flawed. There are many countless other flaws but let's see if the man of Earth is intelligent enough to solve the riddles. :)<br />
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Vizard, it can certainly appear as such on the surface to those who have not done sufficient research to come to a truthful conclusion, who are then being prejudiced by making one. It may also be they they have not developed their ability of logic sufficiently to recognize truth in reality.<br />
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There are probably other reasons as well, but they always go back to the person's ineptitude to exercise good judgement.<br />
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There is a saying "do not throw precious pearls into the presence of those who still live in darkness and do not strive to clean up their household but only strive to justify further their blindness to the truth based on illogical degenerative religious doctrine".<br />
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Their "god" is represented by total destruction throughout the universe, just look in the Lyrian/Vegan system and you'll find the "eye of god", remmants of some star system totally destroyed by some insane power lustful "king of wisdom", the same type who came to Earth as Arus the "barbarian" and Jehova the "cruel one" who proclaimed themselves as gods and created religions to enslave humanity.<br />
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It is the Pope and other religious leaders who are currently prostituting BEAM's work to "justify" their insane illogical continuation of these power lustful agendas we call religions not the other way around.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:16, 11 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the new translation Ben.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:13, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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It has been 32 years after Semiase admitted that the Pleiarens "make wrong analyses in reference <br />
to the evaluation of the human being of Earth or his concerns" (Contact Report 130), and that they should "analyze the terrestrial humankind again in a new form" (Contact Report 132). In the course of time the Pleiarens had been improving their analitical methods and devices, which enable them to study Earth human life forms's behaviours in sharper images. It is safe to say that the Pleiarens today are not as naive as they were, and that their current assessments have become more accurate than they made in that difficult year of 1980. <br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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You're welcome, James.<br />
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It's nice that the first 229 contacts are now finally available in English in almost full form, other than the sections that were omitted in the earlier contacts contained in the Message from the Pleiades series. This is sort of a momentous occasion for me. :-)<br />
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Anyway, I look forward to being able to progress closer to the present day contacts now.<br />
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--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 14:09, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Hi Sheila, I lost your email address and wanted to get more information on the herbal cures for cancers, which the Canadian native Indians used. Please reconnect to harryoyama@yahoo.com.<br />
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Thanks again Ben for the translations I always got the feeling that the High Council and sometimes the Plejarens themselves are too high strung on their logical assessments towards Earthly humans that they often become unreasonable and overbearing without considering the unique negative factors that continue to influence us to this day and forward. We don't live in a conducive environment like they do and have to contend with many negative factors including violence and death.<br />
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The Plejarens intend to cut off contacts when Billy reaches his unfortunate demise or if another ET establishes contact with Earthly humans is not in the best interests of everyone else since they will always be some faction or persons of interest whether Earthly bound or outside who have evil agendas and find that the energetic potentials located on Earth are quite appropriate for manipulation since the spirit forms incarnated here covers a broad spectrum up to 12 billion years of evolution and everything else between.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:06, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the nice words everyone. <br />
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As for the Plejaren's intentions to cut off all contacts after Billy's death, it shouldn't be for too long of a period of time anyway. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Billy's next incarnation is planned for less than 100 years after his death, so the contacts should resume in that period of time. I can't remember where I read that, though, and I can't find it at the moment. It may have been in one of my own translated contact reports. Given the populace's increasing interest in and acceptance of the UFO phenomenon, I imagine that the reception will be greater at that time, and all the contact information from this time, which will probably still be on the internet, I hope, will still have their use and will help to drive that newly started mission.<br />
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2075 is when he will be reborn. See [[Contact Report 115]] if interested.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:39, 2 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for finding that fact, James. Based on what Quetzal says in sentences 16 and 17 of the 194th Contact, it seems that Billy is going to depart from this life in the year 2029. Therefore, it should only be a period of about 46 years, where the Plejaren will be removed from this planet, but I imagine they will return for the birth of "future Billy."<br />
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--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 13:30, 3 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I got some information from a person who is quite close to Billy saying that there is a mystery on those who were obligated to help him in these missions who were all killed in separate car accidents. I have not yet found any mention of this in the English contact notes and maybe someone else can verify that such events occurred recently in this century? With that in mind and the fact that the SSSC was visited by some Earthly faction in the future trying to influence current events to suit their own agendas by removing certain materials BEAM was working on, including editing some of his writings makes one leery of both current and future events should Billy meet his demise with no one to watch or prevent such events from occurring.<br />
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Will the Plejaren leave Earthly events to its own accord or maintain careful watch so that other negative or degenerative factions do not significantly alter their mission into chaos and destruction? There are still others here on Earth including those with 12 billion years of evolution who volunteered to help Nokodemjon’s mission succeed who will continue this quest even after Billy’s demise, but will they also be subjected to the demise of those killed in car accidents?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:05, 4 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the new translation Ben.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:13, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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It has been 32 years after Semiase admitted that the Pleiarens "make wrong analyses in reference <br />
to the evaluation of the human being of Earth or his concerns" (Contact Report 130), and that they should "analyze the terrestrial humankind again in a new form" (Contact Report 132). In the course of time the Pleiarens had been improving their analitical methods and devices, which enable them to study Earth human life forms's behaviours in sharper images. It is safe to say that the Pleiarens today are not as naive as they were, and that their current assessments have become more accurate than they made in that difficult year of 1980. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 10:15, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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You're welcome, James.<br />
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It's nice that the first 229 contacts are now finally available in English in almost full form, other than the sections that were omitted in the earlier contacts contained in the Message from the Pleiades series. This is sort of a momentous occasion for me. :-)<br />
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Anyway, I look forward to being able to progress closer to the present day contacts now.<br />
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--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 14:09, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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Congratulations Ben! And it's great to see(?) you back at it. You are doing an awesome job and a great service to the english speaking population.<br />
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Hi Sheila, I lost your email address and wanted to get more information on the herbal cures for cancers, which the Canadian native Indians used. Please reconnect to harryoyama@yahoo.com.<br />
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Thanks again Ben for the translations I always got the feeling that the High Council and sometimes the Plejarens themselves are too high strung on their logical assessments towards Earthly humans that they often become unreasonable and overbearing without considering the unique negative factors that continue to influence us to this day and forward. We don't live in a conducive environment like they do and have to contend with many negative factors including violence and death.<br />
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The Plejarens intend to cut off contacts when Billy reaches his unfortunate demise or if another ET establishes contact with Earthly humans is not in the best interests of everyone else since they will always be some faction or persons of interest whether Earthly bound or outside who have evil agendas and find that the energetic potentials located on Earth are quite appropriate for manipulation since the spirit forms incarnated here covers a broad spectrum up to 12 billion years of evolution and everything else between.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:06, 1 August 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Event_Timeline&diff=18870Talk:Event Timeline2012-07-29T22:28:49Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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<div>[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 07:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Excellent chronological presentation! Earth is indeed the center piece of the DERN universe (and DAL) in regards to the various positive/negative forces that date back to the split up of Nokodemion peoples via the creator overlords. The Bafath are truly evil, did they reincarnate into any Earth humans currently living? Also, is Andromedan High Council of the Hyperborea people (22 BC) the same as those that currently advise the Plejarens? Very interesting if so, now because of the neural-physical-particle "connections" (FIGU Special bulletin 38) that has "manifested" itself here on Earth, all parties whether negative or positive are in various ways, "connected" to current humans now living or more so "existing" on Earth.<br />
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These humans represent a magnitude of various fashions throughout this universe, a sort of "composite" circumstance "reality", the "key" to harmony and balance between all parties involved if the right parameters are introduced to bring this about. All parties have an interest(s) in the outcome of Earth humans, whether benevolent or evil, because their spiritual development depends on this "missing" key.<br />
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== Semjasa created the Adam lineage ==<br />
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According to http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3451.html?1062165882 this began 13500 years ago, not 387,000 BC<br />
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Many people have resided on Earth many times according to that timeline. I have always wondered if they would come back and visit. Of all the planets why did they have to try and conquer ours, those damn old Giza's. I guess going after the less developed beings was there plan. We sure do fall for those illusions rather easily. If we used our common sense and didn't get controlled by the fireworks we would probably be a bit better off right now. I hope if we are tested in the future we have matured enough so we don't fall for every trick in the book. The universe is so vast according to the distances and multiple time configurations, I'm sure that many that have left our planet are still out there somewhere. I just hope they grow up and have better intentions next time they plan to come back home. <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)Mark, I assume Earth, Malona and Mars were selected by these advanced ET's because of its far off location away from the ongoing Lyrian, Orion wars and that they knew others won't consider colonizing a SOL system with a dying central sun. However the insane god and religion concept was already established millions of years ago when the benevolent turned malevolent counter-parts of the Creator Overlords fled with the DNA manipulated humans to these planets and were later expelled. Thus, the concept of using religion to conquer, enslave and exploit others was well known when the evil Giza ancestors established themselves after conspiring the destruction of Atlantis and Mu, who were the biggest hinderance for their evil conquest.<br />
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However, because there are various types of reincarnations spanning this whole episode of events to include many ET's who perished, the links to them on Earth as well as other parts of the universe are still interconnected. Because of the Cause and Effect criteria, they are still obligated to resolve any issues that may fall under their responisbility that are still here on Earth. <br />
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An excellent analogy can be realized when one has the power to directly intervene in order prevent a crime such as murder, but instead chose not to and leaves for another planet, leaving the family to feud for themselves. After a few hundred years that same person (ET), comes back to find the family broken up and in despair, then gives them a set of directives to better their situation. Would it have been better if that ET had done the right thing in the first place rather than wait because it was more convienent to do so? Regardless, that ET or his/her material as well as spiritual Being are still connected from day one of that episode and continues, whether those connections remains positive or negative depends which side of the "equation" contribute or not contribute to balance the Equational Potentials that will determine which equational side evolves or stagnates.<br />
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The majority of people that have resided on Earth have one thing in common, they all wanted full control of everything. I don't know why many left but if everyone was that way I would want to change course especially if they are as cruel as they have been portrayed. Could ET's have prevented the World Wars with there tech they could. This is our world now and we can't rely on a past resident to pay the rent. I'm sure they do little things from time to time. Those ET's you speak of have faced the same challenges as we and prevailed, an example the Plejarens and there 50,000+ years of peace. It is now up to us to create and shape our outcome. <br />
Let's say that you had a father that caused tremendous pain and heartache as a leader, would you feel responsible and shoulder all the blame or choose to disagree and move on and choose your own path. <br />
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190,000 BC Pelegon arrives from Plejares, with 70,000 of his people, on Earth.[6] <br />
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An Jschwjsch who, 50,000 years ago, led the exodus of 70,000 human beings from a war-torn Plejares star system to the Sol star system.<br />
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Which is the correct date 190,000BC or 50,000 years ago?<br />
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Why is Prophet Billy's birth not mentionned?<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC) There appears to be actually two migrations from Earth to the Plejares system, but the only one indicated here is on 1 BC by Pejos.<br />
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Pelegon (Whose name is honored in name of Plejaren), arrived on Earth with 70,000 followers in 190,000 BC. However there is no departure date, which I assume must be before 48,000 BC, which is the period of final peace on the Plejares star system. In other contact notes, there is a brief discreption of Pelegon fleeing Earth to Plejares because of war.<br />
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The reason for this request, is because it MAY may be linked to the 144,128 former "sons and daughters" that caused much disruptions on Earth?<br />
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@Event_Timeline: I'd Like to bring your attention to date: 3,343 BCE - there is a hyperlink that leads to "Ptaah"-Plejaren, which must be removed.<br />
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No one should ever forget their past and historical aspects that are the foundations on which they currently stand on, further more even though one’s current personality is unique and separate from its past personalities, they are all linked to its spirit form and accessed through their Subconscious via the memory bank which stores the past personality’s experience and knowledge. In addition, each and every one of these past personalities have in some form or another during its material life cycle, had some corresponding links to other personalities when both were living material human beings with their respective spirit form now incarnated in a different personality, but still linked or connected even though the respective personality no longer exists in material form, its experiences and knowledge are still stored in their respective memory banks.<br />
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To say one needs to move on and not dwell on the past, even though mistakes or gross violations to others occurred in the past, is a form of ignorance and irresponsibility, as history has on numerous cases, tend to repeat its mistakes without learning. One case in particular should be noted as Juda Ihariot during his time in Egypt, persecuted the prophet Jmmanuel more than 2000 years ago is the same spirit form incarnated recently in a female named Krauser who also strived to work against Billy the current and last prophet. This personality has never learned from its past injustices to others. She certainly did not care about finding some resolution to her spirit form’s past (Ihariot). I’m quite confident that this is not an isolated event and that more incarnated personalities with negative agendas from the past still do exists in this time period and strive to control and manipulate others in their mad quest of power lust and greed.<br />
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In addition, to say “move on from the past” is quite contra dictionary in nature because the current Peace Meditation process is connected to the time the Plejaren colony was on Earth around 189,000 years ago with Pelegon as their leader who also spoke the exact same language as the Peace Meditation words, thus when these words are spoken, it invokes not just the current meaning by both the Plejarens and their federation members who participate, but also invokes certain harmonic energies here with Earthly participants as well, in concert with more than 70,000 of Pelegon’s followers who once lived here and are now spirit forms on the Plejaren planets incarnated in new personalities, but the same spirit form who once lived here. Your spirit form may also have links to these Plejarens if during the past, one of your personalities did make contact while Pelegon and his followers were on Earth. In conclusion, to say to forget one’s past is to abandon one’s connections which have the necessary attributes for total resolution.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:28, 29 July 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_130&diff=18829Talk:Contact Report 1302012-07-20T16:09:17Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It's interesting that the sun has similar layers as Earth like the Ionosphere and Troposhpere. I'm guessing that all planetary bodies have such consistency throughout thus giving us even more insight into how things might work. :) It's obvious neither the good or bad space dwellers want to make contact with any human directly at this time due to there unnatural processes of thinking. In time if they choose the path of develeopment and knowledge for all of Earth they might get there first encounter....................<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I welcome Benjamin Steven's decision to translate "Vernunft" in the context of Contact Report 130 as "rationality", a mental ability dealing with reasoning. I guess the same word could be used as the translation of "Vernunft" in Contact Report 39. I found it interesting to scrutinize the word, since the topic of Verstand and Vernunft came from Sfath while he was mentoring mister Billy prior to the time travel, prior to the great journey, prior to the mission. It was something to be learnt by mister Billy before he saw amazing things in later years. To me personally the topic of Verstand and Vernunft is a good stuff for mental exercise, mental sport.<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Yeah... I take a look at FIGU Dictionary a lot and many of the FIGU Dictionary-choices for English translations of particular words stick with me, which is why I now almost always translate that word as "rationality" instead of as "reason." I can't say that I always conform to FIGU Dictionary in such things, but I certainly do a lot more ever since I started looking at it. Unfortunately, it would take way too much time for me to go back to all my old translations and revise each and every word to FIGU Dictionary standards wherever appropriate, even if using a computer search function to do so. Thus, I don't know if I'll ever get around to doing that, even though such would be very profitable. However, if others look at the German and study the words closely as you did, then there's really no reason for me to do that, as they themselves can determine which English word might be best to use in each case.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Do you mean FIGU Glossary? Like on http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_-_related_terms ?<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Pardon my interjection here, but Benjamin really did mean the actual FIGU Dictionary, as in http://dict.figu.org ...Otherwise he would not have said it four separate times in his above comment. <br />
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Many German words, when translated into todays English, lose their adequacy of conforming to the exact same idea. That is why the FIGU Dictionary exists - to at least half-salvage some of the integrity of the original meaning of the German word into a better English parallel, so that it is not completely distorted and bastardized by the typical English representative you might find in a normal German-to-English translation dictionary.<br />
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When I was at the SSSC, someone mentioned that Ptaah had one made the comment that English is barely even a language - that it is like a child's language.<br />
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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 00:54, 11 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Thank you for the link, RemR. The dictionary could be useful for me in some situations. I can not comment Ptaah's comment on English, since I do not know the context of it. <br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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I was speaking with someone at the Center in Switzerland and they said it was the 487th contact from 2/3/2010, which included a comment by Ptaah that English is not even a real language, but more of a child's language. That's all I know...<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Then like a little child I will wait for the translation of Contact Report 487.<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Explanations by Ptaah and Billy regarding the German language<br />
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(487th contact of February 3, 2010)<br />
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Erklärungen von Ptaah und Billy bezüglich der deutschen Sprache<br />
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Ptaah: We have really made the effort; we - the committee who deals with your affairs - came to the conclusion to get together with our linguists, to discuss everything with them and to get their advice.<br />
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Ptaah Wir haben uns tatsächlich bemüht; dabei sind wir, die wir ein Gremium bilden für eure Angelegenheiten, zum Schluss gekommen, uns mit unseren Sprachwissenschaftlern zusammenzutun, um mit ihnen alles zu besprechen und ihre Ratgebung einzuholen.<br />
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In doing so, we examined altogether all present translations that were made of the "Goblet of Truth" into English, as well as all the other small and large works that were translated into English and also into other terrestrial languages.<br />
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Dabei haben wir gesamthaft alle bisherigen Übersetzungen begutachtet, die vom «Kelch der Wahrheit» in die englische Sprache gemacht wurden, wie aber auch alle anderen kleinen und grossen Werke, die in die englische und auch in andere irdische Sprachen übersetzt wurden.<br />
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Unfortunately, everything turned out to be extremely inadequate because none of the translations from the German original texts correspond with them in a valuable way.<br />
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Leider erweist sich dabei das Ganze als äusserst unzureichend, denn keine der aus den deutschen Originaltexten gemachten Übersetzungen entsprechen diesen in wertvoller Weise.<br />
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Many times the real original sense is lost in the translations because the necessary accurate expressions, terms and words do not exist in the languages in question.<br />
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Vielfach ist der eigentliche Originalsinn in den Übersetzungen nicht gegeben, weil in den betreffenden Sprachen die notwendigen treffenden Ausdrücke, Begriffe und Worte nicht existieren.<br />
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Very often even synonyms don't exist that could be used as absolutely equal meaning of words and, therefore, could be exchanged or replaced in a text without changing the information being conveyed or its sense.<br />
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Sehr oft existieren nicht einmal Synonyme, die als absolut gleiche Bedeutung von Worten genutzt und so in einem Text ausgetauscht resp. ersetzt werden könnten, ohne dass sich dabei die Aussage oder deren Sinn verändert.<br />
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Countless terms and words that are given in the German language do not exist in all other terrestrial languages, and besides, the true sense and value of many terms and words are not correctly recognized, and, therefore, absolutely falsely interpreted.<br />
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Unzählige Begriffe und Worte, die in der deutschen Sprache gegeben sind, existieren in allen anderen irdischen Sprachen nicht, und ausserdem wird der wahre Sinne und Wert vieler Begriffe und Worte nicht richtig erkannt und folglich völlig falsch gedeutet.<br />
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On the one hand this occurs because the origin of terms and words is entirely unknown, or because a false origin is assumed, which is even the case with linguists of the German language, i.e. the Germanists, and which leads to fundamentally false presentations and explanations of terms and words.<br />
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Dies geschieht einerseits, weil der Ursprung der Begriffe und Worte völlig unbekannt ist, oder weil ein falscher Ursprung angenommen wird, und das selbst bei Sprachwissenschaftlern der deutschen Sprache, also bei den Germanisten, in Erscheinung tritt, was zu grundlegend falschen Ausführungen und Erklärungen von Begriffen und Worten führt.<br />
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According to all observations, examinations and analysis we have come to the unanimous decision that henceforward you from the Mother Center shall not make any further translations, also not into the English language.<br />
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Gemäss allen Betrachtungen, Abklärungen und Analysen sind wir zum einstimmigen Beschluss gelangt, dass ihr künftighin von eurer Seite des Mutter-Centers aus keinerlei Übersetzungen mehr durchführen sollt, auch nicht in die englische Sprache.<br />
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It (English) doesn't correspond to a true language, but only to a halfway acceptable auxiliary world-language that was disseminated world-wide through dishonest machinations from the USA with the aid of British English and other languages, whereby the deeper sense is to turn the terrestrial peoples into English-speaking ones, by using this meagre means of communication.<br />
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Diese entspricht keiner eigentlichen Sprache, sondern nur einer halbwegs annehmbaren Welthilfssprache, die durch unlautere Machenschaften von den USA aus mit Zuhilfenahme des britischen Englisch und anderer Sprachen weltweit verbreitet wurde, wobei der tiefere Sinn darin liegt, die irdischen Völker mit diesem ärmlichen Verständigungsmittel englischsprachig zu machen.<br />
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From our side, we recommend that you do not make any further translations when you have finished the work "Goblet of Truth" that unfortunately in the English language only contains inadequate translation values of all that which is laid down in the German language.<br />
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Von unserer Seite aus empfehlen wir also, dass von euch keine weiteren Übersetzungen mehr vorgenommen werden, wenn ihr das Werk «Kelch der Wahrheit» vollendet habt, das in der englischen Sprache leider nur mangelhafte Übersetzungswerte von all dem enthält, wie alles in der deutschen Sprache vorgegeben ist.<br />
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And all this, although the basic translation work is being done by a translation company.<br />
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Dies, obwohl die Grundarbeit der Übersetzung durch eine Fachkraft einer Übersetzungsfirma zustande kommt.<br />
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The whole can only then be of benefit and value to those who are learning and interested, if they make an effort to learn the German language extensively, in order to then turn towards the content of the spiritual-teaching works and to learn everything.<br />
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Das Ganze kann für die Lernenden und Interessierten nur dann von Nutzen und Wert sein, wenn sie sich bemühen, die deutsche Sprache in weitgehender Form zu erlernen, um sich durch diese dem Inhalt der Geisteslehrewerke zuzuwenden und alles zu erlernen.<br />
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Translations of the spiritual-teaching and all related works into other terrestrial languages only represent a poor reflection regarding the true sense, when such translations are made.<br />
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In allen anderen irdischen Sprachen bringen die entsprechenden Übersetzungen der Geisteslehre und aller diesbezüglichen Werke nur einen schwachen Abglanz in bezug auf deren wahrheitlichen Sinn, wenn solche Übersetzungen erstellt werden.<br />
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Billy: ...But since you are talking so clearly about terms and words, just as I often do so myself, it is perhaps necessary to explain those two values because I know that many German-speaking human beings, Germanists too, do not see any difference.<br />
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Billy ... Da du aber so eindeutig von Begriffen und Worten sprichst, wie auch ich das oft tue, so ist es vielleicht notwendig, diese zwei Werte einmal zu erklären, weil ich weiss, dass viele deutschsprachige Menschen, auch Germanisten, keinen Unterschied darin sehen.<br />
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So I would like to say that a term represents the content of an "idea", so to speak, which in its entirety forms an essential characteristic of an "intellectual" unity, from which a certain conception, an opinion, a picture and also an understanding result, which altogether can be expressed verbally or with the aid of the language, but also in writing.<br />
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So möchte ich sagen, dass es sich bei einem Begriff sozusagen um den Inhalt einer Vorstellung handelt, die als Gesamtheit ein wesentliches Merkmal einer gedanklichen Einheit bildet, woraus eine bestimmte Auffassung, eine Meinung, ein Bild und auch ein Verstehen resultieren, was gesamthaft verbal resp. mit Hilfe der Sprache, jedoch auch schriftlich zum Ausdruck gebracht werden kann.<br />
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The word, on the other hand, is a small or smallest independent linguistic unit of a pronunciation, whereby the word can also be recorded in writing, but without pronunciation or rather as mute non-pronunciation.<br />
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Das Wort andererseits ist eine kleine oder kleinste selbständige sprachliche Einheit von Lautung, wobei das Wort auch schriftlich, jedoch ohne Lautung resp. als stumme Nichtlautung festgehalten werden kann.<br />
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Therefore, the word is a linguistic and also a written expression with a certain "meaning content" which determines the language and the written language as small or smallest part. ...<br />
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Also ist das Wort eine sprachliche und auch eine schriftliche Äusserung mit einem bestimmten Bedeutungsgehalt, das als kleiner oder kleinster Teil die Sprache und die Schriftsprache bestimmt. ...<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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A long challenge to victory indeed. It seems English is the main language spoken worldwide and understood. It would take a ecliptic event to change Earth humanity to the German language. If victory is dependent on knowledge, knowledge can only be known if it is undertood by all people. Maybe Earth can create a new language or use the German language to spread the teachings. <br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Thank you well, Benjamin Stevens. Now I could see the context. Ptaah, on behalf of the committee, was recommending mister Billy and core group members ("you from the Mother Center") to stop translating mister Billy's literary works into any terrestrial language (not only English), since many times (not always) the original sense of the German expressions, words, and terms used by mister Billy in his literary works have no synonym in other terrestrial languages. Sometimes, in the absence of the required synonyms, the translators exchanged the expressions, words, and terms used by mister Billy with the expressions, words, and terms from other terrestrial language, which do not represent the same concept or the same sense mister Billy tried to convey.<br />
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Ptaah mentioned some things about English because there is an English version of Kelch der Wahrheit, which to him contains inadequate translation values (I really do not understand what the Hell "translation value" is). So Ptaah's comment on English in the context of Contact Report 487 should be seen in its relation to the translation of Kelch der Wahrheit into English. If only RemR gave a faint indication about this, I would not be surprised, but RemR wrote his message in a certain way that gave an impression (to me, if not to all readers) that Ptaah commented on the translation of any German text into English text in general, no matter who the author is. Only later I found that Ptaah's comment concerns with mister Billy's German text only. <br />
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Since I have read the excerpt of Contact Report 487, I could say that, first, Ptaah did not say that English is like a child's language. He only said that English is a meagre (or poor, or lousy) means of communication used as a halfway acceptable auxiliary world language. Second, Ptaah recommended mister Billy and the core group members to stop translating mister Billy's literary works into any terrestrial language, not only into English. And third, RemR's message (dated 11 July 2012) does not properly reflect the text and the context of Ptaah's comment (dated 3 February 2010) on German to English translation.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 13:16, 19 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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I have a feeling that it was the German-speaking person at the Center in Switzerland who added that English is more of a child's language. I know for certain that the people who are regularly working on officially approved English translations for FIGU constantly bash the English language and speak of its absolute inferiority as compared to the German language. It does seem that they get this mentality from the Plejaren, as any time the Plejaren speak of the English language, they never seem to have anything positive to say about it. I'm sure many German-speakers at the Center, who can't speak English much or at all, have the same mentality about English simply because it's what they hear others say on a regular basis. I, for one, have learned not to care much about what the Plejaren or those at the Center have to say about the English language. I'll still try to reflect everything that is written as best as possible in English and as best as I can. The thing is, about 1.5% or so of the world's population can speak German, whereas about 27% or so can speak English. So if the Plejaren really want their message to affect a large part of the world, they're going to have to cope with the fact that it needs to be given in English, since affecting 27 out of every 100 people is far more significant than affecting 1 out of every 100 people. That's how I see it, anyway.<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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The Pleiarens conveyed their messages through Contact Reports, which are not mister Billy's literary works. Ptaah's recommendation does not include the Contact Reports, so it could be assumed that it is allright to translate them into English and other terrestrial languages (although I am not sure if it is allright to translate them into Swahili). So far, I have not found Ptaah's objection on the translation of Contact Reports, and I notice that you have a written permission from mister Billy to translate them.<br />
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Since you have been translating Contact Reports into English, you have been thinking about the German expressions, words, and terms of them more intense than anyone on Earth (Hell, than anyone in DERN, if I could say it), and have been trying to reproduce the senses of the expressions, words, and terms of them through selected English expressions, words, and terms harder than anyone else. Your opinion about the translation of Contact Reports into English is worth to be considered (by me, if not by all human life forms). When it comes about the translation of mister Billy's literary works into English, I could only say that I have no courage to express my thoughts and feelings about it. I am coward.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 20:28, 19 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== HoseinHomanMahmoudHamazBarakJubeiJubaJamba said ... ==<br />
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You like Phil Collins?<br />
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I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980s album, Duke.<br />
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Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. It was too artsy.. too intellectual. It was on Duke where a.. Phil Collin's presence became more apparent. I think "Invisible Touch" is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding 3 albums. Alive, take off the robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Benjamin Stevens, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, and sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Benjamin Stevens, why don't you a, dance a little. <br />
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Take the lyrics to "Land of Confusion". In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. "In Too Deep", is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogomy and commitement. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive.. affirmative as a, anything I've heard in Rock. Alive, get down on your knees so Benjamin Stevens can see your @ssh0le. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial, and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way, especially songs like "In the Air Tonight" and "Against All Odds". Benjamin Stevens, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think, Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist; AND I stress the word, "artist". This is "Cecilia", a great song - a personal favourite. <br />
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--[[User:HoseinHomanMahmoudHamazBarakJubeiJubaJamba|HoseinHomanMahmoudHamazBarakJubeiJubaJamba]] 00:11, 20 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Excuse me please, HoseinHomanMahmoudHamazBarakJubeiJubaJamba, sir. Or ma'am. Whoever you are. You must certainly be the same person who hides behind various silly, juvenile and, really, primitive names such as 'Newb Slayer', 'Troll Era' and 'Abe Finkelstein'. Lurking around here like a true internet troll, with all the attention-craving comments you post, which are full of provocative discord and senseless backstabbing attacks against people you don't even know, over the internet... a person acting like this in real daily life (in person - not over the internet) could probably qualify for being diagnosed with a pathological psychotic mental disorder of some kind. Even if you aren't behind these aforementioned names, this comment above is absolutely unnessecary. No Phil Collins. No relevance. Just strange. Haha.<br />
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== Benjamin Stevens said ... ==<br />
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Well, at least HoseinHomanMahmoudHamazBarakJubeiJubaJamba attempted to personalize the message by including specific names of people involved on the thread. It's more effort than what I'm used to seeing from typical spammers. ;-)<br />
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--[[User:Benjamin|βενιαμιν]] 14:04, 20 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Benjamin,<br />
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You are correct in the assumption that German speaking people only represents 1.5% of the world's population and within this group, only a small percentage can truely grasp BEAM's writings because he added a significant amount of new German words because this language is also lacking in expressing the full potentials of this mission.<br />
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So in other words, it will take an English speaker a significant amount of time and effort to just utilize the basic German language must more in learning its true value in applying BEAM's materials. <br />
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There is a saying that a half full container is better than an empty one. There is some value in the English translation and the Plejarens have been known to be over bearing and unreasonable, so I would not agree on their accessment<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 17:09, 20 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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I have read the living words of teaching from mr. Billy Meier. The teaching of Billy are not from this earth. They are spiritual teaching which norrish the mind and spirit. I thank mr. Billy so much for his effort and time to open the truth to mankind on earth. Thank you for more than a billion times.<br />
The teaching of Billy will be known by all human beings. <br />
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Praise be to Creation.<br />
Alexander Awadzi<br />
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--alexander awadzi 00:03, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Where do these people come from claiming he's Jesus Christ? They must come from the stone age or further back. :) Just have a good laugh and move on, these aren't the droids we're looking for. <br />
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--Mark 00:41, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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William youre definately not the only one to make mistakes! Its all part of evolution though so its fine/ok.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== TheTruth said ... ==<br />
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Wow this is beyond fabrication. I love how to deflect critisim you try to say every other religion is false. That Jesus never exsisted, & some character Billy Meier made up to sell some books is the real prophet. Likewise the idea that mohammad was the reincarnation of this so-called real jesus is totally bogus. Have you ever read any holy books? I've studied religion for yrs and your ideas are off the wall. Would the reincarnated self try to go to war with your past tribes? Seems highly unlikely. Also muslims think of all christians as infiedels. Not my idea of a glowing peaceful prophet. Again this site is just telling a huge amount of lies to move books and silly tapes. Highly shameful for Billy as our great prophet of the times.<br />
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--[[User:TheTruth|TheTruth]] 23:47, 25 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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So wait, people actually believe that Billy claimed to be a reincarnation of Jesus? O_o I honestly can't see how one could make the comparison. Isnt the fictional Jesus just a distortion?<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 16:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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@truth-You need to read so mich more before saying such things. Dont worry though, all of the information I'm suggesting is all free. The only thing you need to spend is some time reading. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe your not ready, who knows<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 19:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Ok, if Billy was Jmmanuel in a past life, and Jesus was a made up distorted story based off of Jmmanuel, How is it that Billy was not Jesus? Can't we just say that Jesus was a false distorted character based off of Jmmanuel who Billy was in a past life? <br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 08:28, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Jesus is a delusionally invented and idolized cult-figure, who is supposedly also the son of god and god himself. Billy simply does not want to be associated with anything like this.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 12:52, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin for the reply. That is what I figured. I was just asking because I know people who feel that something similar to the Jesus story occurred so I provided them with the Jmmanuel alternative and wanted to make sure that I had not misunderstood something.<br />
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I also do not feel that it is right to answer "Was Billy Jesus in a past life?" with a simple no. I say this because people might be asking to try to find the truth behind the Jesus story and would be better to say that he was not Jesus but rather Jmmanuel who was falsely named Jesus and his teachings distored.<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 23:14, 6 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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If one looks in the Old Testament there is one sentence that states Jmmanuel as the being the one and only true prophet at that time. But in the New Testament which I believe was influenced to a large degree by the evil Giza Intelligences to replace the Old Testament, but specially to replace Jmmanuel with the falsified non-existent personality of Jesus Christ for several very important reasons.<br />
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First of all by substituting a non-existent personality for Jmmanuel, the Christian religions now have to worship this fallacy imposter, thus negating everything the true prophet Jmmanuel has brought forward and all things connected to Jesus Christ are now voided because thoughts and prayers are energy related and directed to this non-existing idea is like a black hole which gobbles up this energy into nothing. Thus praying to Jesus Christ or even thinking about this ruse is uncreational in nature because it benefits no one but the clergy and church that enslave the spiritual evolution of its members who participate in such nonsense. Such behavior is parasitic and un-creational.<br />
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Another important goal of creating this fallacy is to make the so called “resurrection” of Jesus Christ from the dead into a living material being once again who actually transcends this material world directly into a god or creator of the universe, thus making it virtually impossible for any human being to evolve spiritually because this “evolution” idea is not only illogical but violates the basic principles of creational laws by declaring that now there is only one god and only through him (Jesus Christ) can mankind find salvation.<br />
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So in essence the creation of this Jesus Christ is to make “him” the god of creation a monopoly reserved exclusively for him only, therefore everyone else are to remain servitude and enslaved by this concept forever, what a ruse. All the Giza Intelligence were removed from Earth and banished on a prison planet millions of light years away by the Plejarens and are all dead awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata pure spiritual level.<br />
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So that leaves the clergy, church, Pope and other religious cronies which they constantly preaching fallacy and fear to the masses in order to remain in power. It is only the ignorant and those too lazy to think for themselves who fall victim to this nonsense.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:48, 7 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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It makes sense Hawaiian.<br />
What do you mean though that the Giza-Intelligence would be awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata? Is there any mention of such an ability in the material? I ask out of interest. <br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 07:54, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Epicin21,<br />
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All 2100 or so Gizas who were arrested and shipped off to a prison planet many millions of light years distance physically passed away and await incarnation. There are other Contact Reports and direct questions and answers from FIGU members to Billy in regards to incarnation including questions on whether pure spiritual forms also incarnate, you need to do the research yourself to your satisfaction. The link below implies that the Arahat Athersata level is responsible for incarnation of spirit forms into material human beings. The case of Nokodemjion was speacial because his spirit form was already in the Arahat Athersata and needed further assistance from the Petale level (7th spiritual level) in order to incarnate back into a physical human being.<br />
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Nokodemjon incarnation process from pure spiritual Arahat Athersata to material human being<br />
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Contact Report 238 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238<br />
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689. And thus the order and decree was passed, through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that those who passed away in the course of time to a natural death should not be ordained a reincarnation, rather that their spirit forms had to stay as long in the realm of the other side until they, one day, through a new decree of Nokodemion, could again find an existence in human bodies.<br />
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697. I know that the terrestrial scientists and researchers are in error in this regard, as much as in many other things. <br />
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As he then entered the transitional level of the fluctuating material state at the age of 58,000,000,000 years, he created there, through spiritual potency, a further people, after which he seemingly spent precisely 2,000,000,000 years in the transitional level.<br />
Thereafter he remained for a further 4,000,000,000 years in that level, after which he shifted in a rapid manner and entered the Arahat Athersata level, where he remained during the next 10,000,000,000 years, before he determined, as a result of the degeneration of his begotten and created peoples, and in unanimous accord with the entire Arahat Athersata level, to change himself back into a material human life form, in order in this way to command a halt to his degenerated, criminal, usurping peoples and to bring them to reason.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:40, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am watching this show My Ghost Story and wondering what is going on here damnit, I thought everything is under perfect control, we have all kinds of wild spirits running around. I say bring in the army of dwarves to cleanse them out. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:46, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, from the contact notes, I would think most of that is caused by fluidal forces, teenagers seem to have a lot of it. And don't forget that story from Billy about the person who kept seeing the ghost in her home and it was traced back to the elderly lady who used to live in that house. Pretty awesome fluidal powers to be able to take naps and project her younger self into that house.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:26, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sheila for the fluidal update. Some of those spirits are in proper order but some are full of chaos. I wonder if they have a set of rules to abide by as well as we do. If not I have a long list after watching a couple episodes. :)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, you're absolutely correct in your accessment of Fluidual energy being responsible for the majority of these so called "paranormal" activities. People have to remember that thoughts are also energy related to emotions and do manifest themselves as in that documented case that BEAM discribes of that lady who almost always slept at a certain time in the afternoon and constanly dreamt about being the young girl who used to live at home located in another State where she actually "manifested" herself as a young girl running out of the house which others saw as a "ghost".<br />
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I have written a article located in the FIGU forum which is used to counter-act such forces, but not sure if I should post it here also? Ghost or "haunted" places can actually attached their energy to the emotional status of those who live or even think about these things.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:37, 17 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, you're absolutely correct in your accessment of Fluidual energy being responsible for the majority of these so called "paranormal" activities. People have to remember that thoughts are also energy related to emotions and do manifest themselves as in that documented case that BEAM discribes of that lady who almost always slept at a certain time in the afternoon and constanly dreamt about being the young girl who used to live at home located in another State where she actually "manifested" herself as a young girl running out of the house which others saw as a "ghost".<br />
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I have written a article located in the FIGU forum which is used to counter-act such forces, but not sure if I should post it here also? Ghost or "haunted" places can actually attached their energy to the emotional status of those who live or even think about these things.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:38, 17 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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I have read the living words of teaching from mr. Billy Meier. The teaching of Billy are not from this earth. They are spiritual teaching which norrish the mind and spirit. I thank mr. Billy so much for his effort and time to open the truth to mankind on earth. Thank you for more than a billion times.<br />
The teaching of Billy will be known by all human beings. <br />
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Praise be to Creation.<br />
Alexander Awadzi<br />
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--alexander awadzi 00:03, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Where do these people come from claiming he's Jesus Christ? They must come from the stone age or further back. :) Just have a good laugh and move on, these aren't the droids we're looking for. <br />
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--Mark 00:41, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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William youre definately not the only one to make mistakes! Its all part of evolution though so its fine/ok.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== TheTruth said ... ==<br />
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Wow this is beyond fabrication. I love how to deflect critisim you try to say every other religion is false. That Jesus never exsisted, & some character Billy Meier made up to sell some books is the real prophet. Likewise the idea that mohammad was the reincarnation of this so-called real jesus is totally bogus. Have you ever read any holy books? I've studied religion for yrs and your ideas are off the wall. Would the reincarnated self try to go to war with your past tribes? Seems highly unlikely. Also muslims think of all christians as infiedels. Not my idea of a glowing peaceful prophet. Again this site is just telling a huge amount of lies to move books and silly tapes. Highly shameful for Billy as our great prophet of the times.<br />
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--[[User:TheTruth|TheTruth]] 23:47, 25 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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So wait, people actually believe that Billy claimed to be a reincarnation of Jesus? O_o I honestly can't see how one could make the comparison. Isnt the fictional Jesus just a distortion?<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 16:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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@truth-You need to read so mich more before saying such things. Dont worry though, all of the information I'm suggesting is all free. The only thing you need to spend is some time reading. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe your not ready, who knows<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 19:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Ok, if Billy was Jmmanuel in a past life, and Jesus was a made up distorted story based off of Jmmanuel, How is it that Billy was not Jesus? Can't we just say that Jesus was a false distorted character based off of Jmmanuel who Billy was in a past life? <br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 08:28, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Jesus is a delusionally invented and idolized cult-figure, who is supposedly also the son of god and god himself. Billy simply does not want to be associated with anything like this.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 12:52, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin for the reply. That is what I figured. I was just asking because I know people who feel that something similar to the Jesus story occurred so I provided them with the Jmmanuel alternative and wanted to make sure that I had not misunderstood something.<br />
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I also do not feel that it is right to answer "Was Billy Jesus in a past life?" with a simple no. I say this because people might be asking to try to find the truth behind the Jesus story and would be better to say that he was not Jesus but rather Jmmanuel who was falsely named Jesus and his teachings distored.<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 23:14, 6 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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If one looks in the Old Testament there is one sentence that states Jmmanuel as the being the one and only true prophet at that time. But in the New Testament which I believe was influenced to a large degree by the evil Giza Intelligences to replace the Old Testament, but specially to replace Jmmanuel with the falsified non-existent personality of Jesus Christ for several very important reasons.<br />
<br />
First of all by substituting a non-existent personality for Jmmanuel, the Christian religions now have to worship this fallacy imposter, thus negating everything the true prophet Jmmanuel has brought forward and all things connected to Jesus Christ are now voided because thoughts and prayers are energy related and directed to this non-existing idea is like a black hole which gobbles up this energy into nothing. Thus praying to Jesus Christ or even thinking about this ruse is uncreational in nature because it benefits no one but the clergy and church that enslave the spiritual evolution of its members who participate in such nonsense. Such behavior is parasitic and un-creational.<br />
<br />
Another important goal of creating this fallacy is to make the so called “resurrection” of Jesus Christ from the dead into a living material being once again who actually transcends this material world directly into a god or creator of the universe, thus making it virtually impossible for any human being to evolve spiritually because this “evolution” idea is not only illogical but violates the basic principles of creational laws by declaring that now there is only one god and only through him (Jesus Christ) can mankind find salvation.<br />
<br />
So in essence the creation of this Jesus Christ is to make “him” the god of creation a monopoly reserved exclusively for him only, therefore everyone else are to remain servitude and enslaved by this concept forever, what a ruse. All the Giza Intelligence were removed from Earth and banished on a prison planet millions of light years away by the Plejarens and are all dead awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata pure spiritual level.<br />
<br />
So that leaves the clergy, church, Pope and other religious cronies which they constantly preaching fallacy and fear to the masses in order to remain in power. It is only the ignorant and those too lazy to think for themselves who fall victim to this nonsense.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:48, 7 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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It makes sense Hawaiian.<br />
What do you mean though that the Giza-Intelligence would be awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata? Is there any mention of such an ability in the material? I ask out of interest. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 07:54, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Epicin21,<br />
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All 2100 or so Gizas who were arrested and shipped off to a prison planet many millions of light years distance physically passed away and await incarnation. There are other Contact Reports and direct questions and answers from FIGU members to Billy in regards to incarnation including questions on whether pure spiritual forms also incarnate, you need to do the research yourself to your satisfaction. The link below implies that the Arahat Athersata level is responsible for incarnation of spirit forms into material human beings. The case of Nokodemjion was speacial because his spirit form was already in the Arahat Athersata and needed further assistance from the Petale level (7th spiritual level) in order to incarnate back into a physical human being.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Nokodemjon incarnation process from pure spiritual Arahat Athersata to material human being<br />
<br />
<br />
Contact Report 238 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238<br />
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<br />
<br />
Billy<br />
<br />
689. And thus the order and decree was passed, through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that those who passed away in the course of time to a natural death should not be ordained a reincarnation, rather that their spirit forms had to stay as long in the realm of the other side until they, one day, through a new decree of Nokodemion, could again find an existence in human bodies.<br />
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<br />
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Ptaah <br />
697. I know that the terrestrial scientists and researchers are in error in this regard, as much as in many other things. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Billy<br />
<br />
As he then entered the transitional level of the fluctuating material state at the age of 58,000,000,000 years, he created there, through spiritual potency, a further people, after which he seemingly spent precisely 2,000,000,000 years in the transitional level.<br />
Thereafter he remained for a further 4,000,000,000 years in that level, after which he shifted in a rapid manner and entered the Arahat Athersata level, where he remained during the next 10,000,000,000 years, before he determined, as a result of the degeneration of his begotten and created peoples, and in unanimous accord with the entire Arahat Athersata level, to change himself back into a material human life form, in order in this way to command a halt to his degenerated, criminal, usurping peoples and to bring them to reason.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:40, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I am watching this show My Ghost Story and wondering what is going on here damnit, I thought everything is under perfect control, we have all kinds of wild spirits running around. I say bring in the army of dwarves to cleanse them out. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 01:46, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Mark, from the contact notes, I would think most of that is caused by fluidal forces, teenagers seem to have a lot of it. And don't forget that story from Billy about the person who kept seeing the ghost in her home and it was traced back to the elderly lady who used to live in that house. Pretty awesome fluidal powers to be able to take naps and project her younger self into that house.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:26, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sheila for the fluidal update. Some of those spirits are in proper order but some are full of chaos. I wonder if they have a set of rules to abide by as well as we do. If not I have a long list after watching a couple episodes. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:32, 16 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, you're absolutely correct in your accessment of Fluidual energy being responsible for the majority of these so called "paranormal" activities. People have to remember that thoughts are also energy related to emotions and do manifest themselves as in that documented case that BEAM discribes of that lady who almost always slept at a certain time in the afternoon and constanly dreamt about being the young girl who used to live at home located in another State where she actually "manifested" herself as a young girl running out of the house which others saw as a "ghost".<br />
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I have written a article located in the FIGU forum which is used to counter-act such forces, but not sure if I should post it here also? Ghost or "haunted" places can actually attached their energy to the emotional status of those who live or even think about these things.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:37, 17 July 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Clarification_of_a_Defamatory_Claim&diff=18796Talk:Clarification of a Defamatory Claim2012-07-15T22:40:12Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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I have read the living words of teaching from mr. Billy Meier. The teaching of Billy are not from this earth. They are spiritual teaching which norrish the mind and spirit. I thank mr. Billy so much for his effort and time to open the truth to mankind on earth. Thank you for more than a billion times.<br />
The teaching of Billy will be known by all human beings. <br />
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Praise be to Creation.<br />
Alexander Awadzi<br />
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--alexander awadzi 00:03, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Where do these people come from claiming he's Jesus Christ? They must come from the stone age or further back. :) Just have a good laugh and move on, these aren't the droids we're looking for. <br />
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--Mark 00:41, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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William youre definately not the only one to make mistakes! Its all part of evolution though so its fine/ok.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 00:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== TheTruth said ... ==<br />
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Wow this is beyond fabrication. I love how to deflect critisim you try to say every other religion is false. That Jesus never exsisted, & some character Billy Meier made up to sell some books is the real prophet. Likewise the idea that mohammad was the reincarnation of this so-called real jesus is totally bogus. Have you ever read any holy books? I've studied religion for yrs and your ideas are off the wall. Would the reincarnated self try to go to war with your past tribes? Seems highly unlikely. Also muslims think of all christians as infiedels. Not my idea of a glowing peaceful prophet. Again this site is just telling a huge amount of lies to move books and silly tapes. Highly shameful for Billy as our great prophet of the times.<br />
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--[[User:TheTruth|TheTruth]] 23:47, 25 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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So wait, people actually believe that Billy claimed to be a reincarnation of Jesus? O_o I honestly can't see how one could make the comparison. Isnt the fictional Jesus just a distortion?<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 16:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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@truth-You need to read so mich more before saying such things. Dont worry though, all of the information I'm suggesting is all free. The only thing you need to spend is some time reading. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe your not ready, who knows<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 19:11, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Ok, if Billy was Jmmanuel in a past life, and Jesus was a made up distorted story based off of Jmmanuel, How is it that Billy was not Jesus? Can't we just say that Jesus was a false distorted character based off of Jmmanuel who Billy was in a past life? <br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 08:28, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Jesus is a delusionally invented and idolized cult-figure, who is supposedly also the son of god and god himself. Billy simply does not want to be associated with anything like this.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 12:52, 2 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin for the reply. That is what I figured. I was just asking because I know people who feel that something similar to the Jesus story occurred so I provided them with the Jmmanuel alternative and wanted to make sure that I had not misunderstood something.<br />
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I also do not feel that it is right to answer "Was Billy Jesus in a past life?" with a simple no. I say this because people might be asking to try to find the truth behind the Jesus story and would be better to say that he was not Jesus but rather Jmmanuel who was falsely named Jesus and his teachings distored.<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 23:14, 6 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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If one looks in the Old Testament there is one sentence that states Jmmanuel as the being the one and only true prophet at that time. But in the New Testament which I believe was influenced to a large degree by the evil Giza Intelligences to replace the Old Testament, but specially to replace Jmmanuel with the falsified non-existent personality of Jesus Christ for several very important reasons.<br />
<br />
First of all by substituting a non-existent personality for Jmmanuel, the Christian religions now have to worship this fallacy imposter, thus negating everything the true prophet Jmmanuel has brought forward and all things connected to Jesus Christ are now voided because thoughts and prayers are energy related and directed to this non-existing idea is like a black hole which gobbles up this energy into nothing. Thus praying to Jesus Christ or even thinking about this ruse is uncreational in nature because it benefits no one but the clergy and church that enslave the spiritual evolution of its members who participate in such nonsense. Such behavior is parasitic and un-creational.<br />
<br />
Another important goal of creating this fallacy is to make the so called “resurrection” of Jesus Christ from the dead into a living material being once again who actually transcends this material world directly into a god or creator of the universe, thus making it virtually impossible for any human being to evolve spiritually because this “evolution” idea is not only illogical but violates the basic principles of creational laws by declaring that now there is only one god and only through him (Jesus Christ) can mankind find salvation.<br />
<br />
So in essence the creation of this Jesus Christ is to make “him” the god of creation a monopoly reserved exclusively for him only, therefore everyone else are to remain servitude and enslaved by this concept forever, what a ruse. All the Giza Intelligence were removed from Earth and banished on a prison planet millions of light years away by the Plejarens and are all dead awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata pure spiritual level.<br />
<br />
So that leaves the clergy, church, Pope and other religious cronies which they constantly preaching fallacy and fear to the masses in order to remain in power. It is only the ignorant and those too lazy to think for themselves who fall victim to this nonsense.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:48, 7 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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It makes sense Hawaiian.<br />
What do you mean though that the Giza-Intelligence would be awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata? Is there any mention of such an ability in the material? I ask out of interest. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 07:54, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Epicin21,<br />
<br />
<br />
All 2100 or so Gizas who were arrested and shipped off to a prison planet many millions of light years distance physically passed away and await incarnation. There are other Contact Reports and direct questions and answers from FIGU members to Billy in regards to incarnation including questions on whether pure spiritual forms also incarnate, you need to do the research yourself to your satisfaction. The link below implies that the Arahat Athersata level is responsible for incarnation of spirit forms into material human beings. The case of Nokodemjion was speacial because his spirit form was already in the Arahat Athersata and needed further assistance from the Petale level (7th spiritual level) in order to incarnate back into a physical human being.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Nokodemjon incarnation process from pure spiritual Arahat Athersata to material human being<br />
<br />
<br />
Contact Report 238 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Billy<br />
<br />
689. And thus the order and decree was passed, through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that those who passed away in the course of time to a natural death should not be ordained a reincarnation, rather that their spirit forms had to stay as long in the realm of the other side until they, one day, through a new decree of Nokodemion, could again find an existence in human bodies.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Ptaah <br />
697. I know that the terrestrial scientists and researchers are in error in this regard, as much as in many other things. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Billy<br />
<br />
As he then entered the transitional level of the fluctuating material state at the age of 58,000,000,000 years, he created there, through spiritual potency, a further people, after which he seemingly spent precisely 2,000,000,000 years in the transitional level.<br />
Thereafter he remained for a further 4,000,000,000 years in that level, after which he shifted in a rapid manner and entered the Arahat Athersata level, where he remained during the next 10,000,000,000 years, before he determined, as a result of the degeneration of his begotten and created peoples, and in unanimous accord with the entire Arahat Athersata level, to change himself back into a material human life form, in order in this way to command a halt to his degenerated, criminal, usurping peoples and to bring them to reason.<br />
<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:40, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_443&diff=18788Talk:Contact Report 4432012-07-15T02:44:50Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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The comments of Ptaah are a bit harsh are they not? History was my favourite subject at school. And I have been reading Eich von Däniken and Zacharia Sitchin. The first Von Däniken's are interesting mindblowing conceptions. At least they made people aware and think, that history might have been differently from what we have learned at school. So the more i browse the contactreports the more i get the impression Ptaah has turned into an older and frustrated man. Sorry to say. Nothing a nice vacation in holland could not cure.<br />
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--Reginald 14:56, 2 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Lorita said ... ==<br />
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I find that a fair amount of the comments regarding humans/potentials, etc rather harsh but we were warned we might not like all we read/hear. This isn't a fairy tale. <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I presume they are referring to the V series on TV. :) I would rather be taken over by large dinosaurs, rather than disguised reptiles who pose as humans. j/k It's all about the money with these storytellers. One thing our dear planet Earth has is storytellers. If you want to hear the most untrue stories in the universe. Come one, come all beings of Dern or any other universe. I wouldn't be surprised if other beings from space trying to take over Earth, overall I would give our defense a rating of clumsical. We are improving though. <br />
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--Mark 20:19, 22 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Jay1010101 said ... ==<br />
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Reptilian do exist, the Annunaki story may be true, check out htis video proof of Johnathan Reed on youtube at: <br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKCq1ISd7zY&feature=related<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:56, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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jay: nope<br />
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--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 05:27, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Yeah Sheila, you're right about Zameen. His four letter word response says it all in a most efficient manner directly to the point that is quite emotional stimulating at the same time! All these books on fantasy based on fear really sells because only the ignorant which unfortunately comprises of the vast majority on this planet are influenced by it and buys into its agenda.<br />
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Ptaah agrees and is learning some new words from BEAM like "hacks", I just wonder what is the symbolic representation used in the 7th sense spiritual telepathy for such words in particular? <br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:44, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:How_can_I_help%3F&diff=18787Talk:How can I help?2012-07-15T02:30:48Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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I cannot translate the information but my family has a friend in Germany named Heinzbernd Padberg who has learned broken english and regularly contacts my parents and myself for holiday greetings and may be able to assist. Please contact me at sweet6b9@yahoo.com if you still require any assistance with this and I can contact him and see if he would be interested.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Kevin Gaylord<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 20:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Low&Key said ... ==<br />
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I am new age human.There is no temptation for me but food for my tempel.Everything informatiev i read of hear it feels like i told it because i understand wat needs to be understood but still i learn every moment more about the proceses of the universe.I have no one to share this knowlege with because is to complicated for the people around me.That´s why i contact you , if youre interest i would like to converse with you ?<br />
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== Sweet6b9 said ... ==<br />
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Low&Key - are you asking to talk to me or Billy?<br />
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--[[User:Sweet6b9|Sweet6b9]] 09:10, 3 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== ajay said ... ==<br />
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If reptilians do not exist then tell me why Dr. johnathan Reed<br />
encounted this alien in the woods? This video is on youtube.com<br />
when you search for "johnathan reed"<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgzY45odAO0<br />
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--[[User:Jay1010101|Jay1010101]] 02:45, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Looks more like an android to me.<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 17:49, 14 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sounds like another case of dellusional asperations of those who precieve their dreams as some reality between themselves and some ET interaction presence.<br />
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He speaks of this ET "Freddie" as fearing earth humans because he considers them as low sub-culture beings of unpredictable behaviours. <br />
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Nothing constructive coming from this and the only assistance I would recommend is to take your medications and not spend too much time by yourself in a empty room where your mind is left to wander to dream up these fallacies. Creational laws and directives have already been properly addressed by BEAM and the Plejarens, why should some other ET, in this case "Freddie" be allowed to present any additional information on spiritual evolution or develpment to an insignificant person who is not a prophet with the spiritual incarnation of Nokodemjon, the oldest spirit form on Earth with direct connections to the pure spiritual realms of the first of seventh, the Arahat Athersata level?<br />
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This exercise does not make much sense at all other than to be aware of false teachings.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:30, 15 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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I have read the living words of teaching from mr. Billy Meier. The teaching of Billy are not from this earth. They are spiritual teaching which norrish the mind and spirit. I thank mr. Billy so much for his effort and time to open the truth to mankind on earth. Thank you for more than a billion times.<br />
The teaching of Billy will be known by all human beings. <br />
<br />
Praise be to Creation.<br />
Alexander Awadzi<br />
<br />
--alexander awadzi 00:03, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Where do these people come from claiming he's Jesus Christ? They must come from the stone age or further back. :) Just have a good laugh and move on, these aren't the droids we're looking for. <br />
<br />
--Mark 00:41, 30 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== William1234 said ... ==<br />
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A while ago when I was studying things about this, somehow I thought that BM was the incarnation of Jmmanuel. I got confused and I think I told a couple people this and I truly regret it. I hope everyone gets to read this article because it has all the right information. I am sorry, I was confused and now I know it's better not to talk about it and examine the information more closely. I am really not that stupid, or maybe I am, I was more confused. I am still a huge Meier fan because I know the teachings are truth, but I won't be talking about any of it any time soon. I am sorry for the damage this caused. <br />
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--[[User:William1234|William1234]] 19:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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William youre definately not the only one to make mistakes! Its all part of evolution though so its fine/ok.<br />
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== TheTruth said ... ==<br />
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Wow this is beyond fabrication. I love how to deflect critisim you try to say every other religion is false. That Jesus never exsisted, & some character Billy Meier made up to sell some books is the real prophet. Likewise the idea that mohammad was the reincarnation of this so-called real jesus is totally bogus. Have you ever read any holy books? I've studied religion for yrs and your ideas are off the wall. Would the reincarnated self try to go to war with your past tribes? Seems highly unlikely. Also muslims think of all christians as infiedels. Not my idea of a glowing peaceful prophet. Again this site is just telling a huge amount of lies to move books and silly tapes. Highly shameful for Billy as our great prophet of the times.<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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So wait, people actually believe that Billy claimed to be a reincarnation of Jesus? O_o I honestly can't see how one could make the comparison. Isnt the fictional Jesus just a distortion?<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 16:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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@truth-You need to read so mich more before saying such things. Dont worry though, all of the information I'm suggesting is all free. The only thing you need to spend is some time reading. Maybe you'll figure it out, maybe your not ready, who knows<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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Ok, if Billy was Jmmanuel in a past life, and Jesus was a made up distorted story based off of Jmmanuel, How is it that Billy was not Jesus? Can't we just say that Jesus was a false distorted character based off of Jmmanuel who Billy was in a past life? <br />
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Jesus is a delusionally invented and idolized cult-figure, who is supposedly also the son of god and god himself. Billy simply does not want to be associated with anything like this.<br />
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Thanks Sanjin for the reply. That is what I figured. I was just asking because I know people who feel that something similar to the Jesus story occurred so I provided them with the Jmmanuel alternative and wanted to make sure that I had not misunderstood something.<br />
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I also do not feel that it is right to answer "Was Billy Jesus in a past life?" with a simple no. I say this because people might be asking to try to find the truth behind the Jesus story and would be better to say that he was not Jesus but rather Jmmanuel who was falsely named Jesus and his teachings distored.<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 23:14, 6 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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If one looks in the Old Testament there is one sentence that states Jmmanuel as the being the one and only true prophet at that time. But in the New Testament which I believe was influenced to a large degree by the evil Giza Intelligences to replace the Old Testament, but specially to replace Jmmanuel with the falsified non-existent personality of Jesus Christ for several very important reasons.<br />
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First of all by substituting a non-existent personality for Jmmanuel, the Christian religions now have to worship this fallacy imposter, thus negating everything the true prophet Jmmanuel has brought forward and all things connected to Jesus Christ are now voided because thoughts and prayers are energy related and directed to this non-existing idea is like a black hole which gobbles up this energy into nothing. Thus praying to Jesus Christ or even thinking about this ruse is uncreational in nature because it benefits no one but the clergy and church that enslave the spiritual evolution of its members who participate in such nonsense. Such behavior is parasitic and un-creational.<br />
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Another important goal of creating this fallacy is to make the so called “resurrection” of Jesus Christ from the dead into a living material being once again who actually transcends this material world directly into a god or creator of the universe, thus making it virtually impossible for any human being to evolve spiritually because this “evolution” idea is not only illogical but violates the basic principles of creational laws by declaring that now there is only one god and only through him (Jesus Christ) can mankind find salvation.<br />
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So in essence the creation of this Jesus Christ is to make “him” the god of creation a monopoly reserved exclusively for him only, therefore everyone else are to remain servitude and enslaved by this concept forever, what a ruse. All the Giza Intelligence were removed from Earth and banished on a prison planet millions of light years away by the Plejarens and are all dead awaiting their fate of being incarnated or not by the Arathat Athersata pure spiritual level.<br />
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So that leaves the clergy, church, Pope and other religious cronies which they constantly preaching fallacy and fear to the masses in order to remain in power. It is only the ignorant and those too lazy to think for themselves who fall victim to this nonsense.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:48, 7 July 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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It's interesting to find many beings capable of space flight yet not mature enough in there humility and mastery of there true self. If there true self is destructive in nature due to the balance theory one should always keep all enemies and friends close for if they aren't consiously harmonious they could one day be dangerous. I wish all beings well .....................eventually when they are confident and correct. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:07, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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This contact also shows that interstellar space flight capability isnt the only apparent prerequisite for contact by the Plejaren. They also require a higher technological and consciousness development level to be achieved. How high is difficult to accurately say from my point of view.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:31, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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That's also very interesting Jamesm. I would look into people's consciosness rather than judge there technology personally, you could have an entire race of people that aren't interested in tech and evolve through natural or higher levels of knowledge. I think tech is more a material gauge of capability. Every territory is unique. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:40, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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The problem with the Plejarens is that they depend too much on “their” directives and as stated by them “as a result we are not able to arrange them in accordance with our directives into the important security stages, which are predetermined by us as our directives”. Just look at Contact Report 151, line 62 in which Quetzal states “flawlessly evident by our eleven-year long observation and monitoring that these life forms are humane & reveal no hostility at all”. Yet in this Contact Report 532, Ptaah admits that their conscious related levels are not consistent to creational laws and directives, therefore these aliens accordingly to Plejaren “standards” and “directives” are not condusive for contact.<br />
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Although they do admit that these Earth aliens have advanced technology, but their creational attributes are lacking therefore they do not see any valid reason to initiate contact with them because they are not any better than Earthly humans. So why are these aliens so interested inhumanity that they sectioned off the entire globe into 3 areas of responsibility.<br />
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Another question should be asked, if the Plejarens base their judgments strictly on their observations, yet do not know where their home planet(s) are nor cannot penetrate their UFO hulls that seem to turn even moonlight into energy, nor do these occupants desire to make contact with the Plejarens and often just disappear, then there must be something they are doing secretly they do not want the Plejarens to know about.<br />
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If one really analyzed the different potentials of Earth humanity and its various connections to other planets and Beings via the current subconscious of various incarnated spirit forms here on Earth, some with 12 billion year experiences and other ET’s that have died on Earth, Mars and Malona, there lies a very dangerous avenue for misguided abuses utilizing high technology to manipulate the one source that can cause untold damage beyond particle or beam weapons which is Subconscious feedback EMP, something the Plejarens and High Council should be actively aware of.<br />
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It is not fantasy as proven by an experiment conducted by Billy, Semjase that targeted Mr. G’s subconscious and the resulting EMP, all one has to do is run a thorough analysis on certain Earthly humans who have this “internal connections” to not just different areas of this universe, but even the Plejarens themselves via their subconscious and you have a most terrible weapon beyond imagination. Therefore relying on just observations and technology may not be enough as the Plejrens are indicating so far. <br />
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Contact Report 150<br />
Quetzal<br />
53. The wing-like sides of the bodies, therefore, are further apart.<br />
55. The building material is of an extremely hard and resistant material, in contrast to our materials, which are of a soft form.<br />
57. Unfortunately, we cannot clarify the origin of these aircraft, which we have observed and monitored for eleven years, because there is no possibility that we can form a connection with the passengers of these devices.<br />
58. The aircraft are so designed that all of our attempts of communication have failed because our waves and vibrations and all other equivalent types have been absorbed by the outer hulls of the devices.<br />
62. It is certain, however, that the life forms controlling these aircraft are humane and reveal no hostility at all, which is flawlessly evident by our eleven-year long observation and monitoring<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 02:11, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Aa long as they have maintained peace for many years they must know what they are doing. If it works well for them then continue on your harmonious ways, but it also seems they don't sit idly by and they evolve and perfect they way of doing things as you can see in there ship tech. As BEAM said we are still in the very early stages so of course we would see things in another light. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 04:48, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Please do not feel offended. I guess the Earth aliens (Erdfremden) have their headquarter somewhere in Hawaii, since Hawaii has the highest level of alienation (Entfremdung) on this planet.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I don’t think there is any ET headquartered in Hawaii, but if you are referring to the fact that this place on Earth has a high degree of “Entfendung” or alienation because of the original Hawaiians have been displaced and continue to suffer the alienation of their culture which is basically being prostituted for profit by the tourism industry, their language concepts corrupted for its monetary abuse, their lands which was stolen by greedy corrupt Americans who have the indecency to proclaim their Constitution is founded and based on equal rights for all, including men, women and others, yet have ignored and continue to persecute native Hawaiians who claim injustices and are being labeled as a threat to homeland security.<br />
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Yet if one studies these web links and analyze its contents you will find that during the time of Hawaii’s Queen Liliokalani and government before the illegal overthrow by armed marines of the US and their white male dominated racist cronies have followed every single avenue of legal apparatuses founded not just in the US at that time, but other nations as well to include England, France, Japan, Russia and others.<br />
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Furthermore the queen applied far reaching concepts that are recognized throughout the world in legality to address illegal acts such as “ under protest” and used currently accepted process such as signed petitions of Native Hawaiian in one case over 17,000 signatures far out numbering those whites was presented to Congress, yet it fell on deaf ears because the US Navy wanted Pearl Harbor to control the Pacific area and promote aggression throughout the world.<br />
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Bear in mind that before the overthrow in 1898, Hawaii’s native population had the highest literacy rate in the world, had electricity two years before the US Whitehouse, homeless was non-existent, universal medical coverage, but that all changed for the worst when the white men took over by force as also evident in the Native American Indians and other native cultures throughout the world. However it is very different in Hawaii’s case since it was a SOVERIGN NATION, whose own flag, money, trade agreements, ambassadors was recognized throughout the world and the Queen nor its inhabitants at that time and today DID NOT surrender their legal status and utilized the so called “civilized” legal system of the United States of America, but we all know that the US Constitution is perverted to those in power who intend to keep that power to themselves until the people demand it back to themselves.<br />
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This posting is to educate those who never knew the past and current status of the Hawaiian nation and not to induce or forment any repercussions toward the US, but to finally have a binding review and legal remedy to this most unfortunate set of circumstances, which if applied under current US laws will no doubt acknowledge that Queen Liliokalani did the proper legal and human response in preventing further bloodshed for both sides which is creational in nature, but the protocols was never implemented because Congress and the new President was dominated by those more interested in power lusting for war than the benefits of humanity co-existing in harmony.<br />
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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entfremdung&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dentfremdung%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D856%26prmd%3Dimvnsb&sa=X&ei=CWjvT667Jobm2AXA9sWNAg&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ7gEwAA<br />
Entfemdung-Alienation described in detail<br />
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http://hrmakahinui.com/Protest_of_the_Hawaiian_Nation.php<br />
Complete protest letter from Queen Liliokalani, note: specific clauses, “protest”, “significant minority of whites”, “males”. Such far reaching terms that are the forbears of petition, white racisium and male dominated society addressed by the Queen before the US Congress passed legislation giving people the right to petition the government and women the right to vote in the US!<br />
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http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=54<br />
On July 7, 1898, the Hawaiian Islands were annexed by this joint resolution.<br />
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In the 1890s, the efforts of the Hawaiian people to preserve their national sovereignty and native heritage ran headlong into the unstoppable force of American expansionism. Throughout the 19th century, westerners – particularly Americans – came to dominate Hawaii’s economy and politics. When Queen Liliuokalani assumed the throne in 1891 and tried to reassert the power of the throne and the will of Native Hawaiians, she was deposed by a small group of American businessmen, with the support of the American diplomats and the U.S. Navy.<br />
Although even President Cleveland challenged the legitimacy of this takeover, it did stand. To a nation poised to take its place as a world power, the control of Hawaii, strategically located to serve as a mid-Pacific naval installation, seemed crucial. In 1898, with a naval base firmly established at Pearl Harbor, the United States officially annexed Hawaii.<br />
(Information excerpted from Stacey Bredhoff, American Originals [Seattle: The University of Washington Press, 2001], p. 68.)<br />
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http://www.archives.gov/global-pages/larger-image.html?i=/historical-docs/doc-content/images/hawaii-annex-protest-letter-l.jpg&c=/historical-docs/doc-content/images/hawaii-annex-protest-letter.caption.html<br />
Queen Liliokalani’s protest letter to US House of Representatives Dec 19 1898.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:46, 30 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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It's interesting to find many beings capable of space flight yet not mature enough in there humility and mastery of there true self. If there true self is destructive in nature due to the balance theory one should always keep all enemies and friends close for if they aren't consiously harmonious they could one day be dangerous. I wish all beings well .....................eventually when they are confident and correct. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:07, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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This contact also shows that interstellar space flight capability isnt the only apparent prerequisite for contact by the Plejaren. They also require a higher technological and consciousness development level to be achieved. How high is difficult to accurately say from my point of view.<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 12:31, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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That's also very interesting Jamesm. I would look into people's consciosness rather than judge there technology personally, you could have an entire race of people that aren't interested in tech and evolve through natural or higher levels of knowledge. I think tech is more a material gauge of capability. Every territory is unique. :)<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 19:40, 26 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Barbarian216 said ... ==<br />
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The problem with the Plejarens is that they depend too much on “their” directives and as stated by them “as a result we are not able to arrange them in accordance with our directives into the important security stages, which are predetermined by us as our directives”. Just look at Contact Report 151, line 62 in which Quetzal states “flawlessly evident by our eleven-year long observation and monitoring that these life forms are humane & reveal no hostility at all”. Yet in this Contact Report 532, Ptaah admits that their conscious related levels are not consistent to creational laws and directives, therefore these aliens accordingly to Plejaren “standards” and “directives” are not condusive for contact.<br />
<br />
Although they do admit that these Earth aliens have advanced technology, but their creational attributes are lacking therefore they do not see any valid reason to initiate contact with them because they are not any better than Earthly humans. So why are these aliens so interested inhumanity that they sectioned off the entire globe into 3 areas of responsibility.<br />
<br />
Another question should be asked, if the Plejarens base their judgments strictly on their observations, yet do not know where their home planet(s) are nor cannot penetrate their UFO hulls that seem to turn even moonlight into energy, nor do these occupants desire to make contact with the Plejarens and often just disappear, then there must be something they are doing secretly they do not want the Plejarens to know about.<br />
<br />
If one really analyzed the different potentials of Earth humanity and its various connections to other planets and Beings via the current subconscious of various incarnated spirit forms here on Earth, some with 12 billion year experiences and other ET’s that have died on Earth, Mars and Malona, there lies a very dangerous avenue for misguided abuses utilizing high technology to manipulate the one source that can cause untold damage beyond particle or beam weapons which is Subconscious feedback EMP, something the Plejarens and High Council should be actively aware of.<br />
<br />
It is not fantasy as proven by an experiment conducted by Billy, Semjase that targeted Mr. G’s subconscious and the resulting EMP, all one has to do is run a thorough analysis on certain Earthly humans who have this “internal connections” to not just different areas of this universe, but even the Plejarens themselves via their subconscious and you have a most terrible weapon beyond imagination. Therefore relying on just observations and technology may not be enough as the Plejrens are indicating so far. <br />
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Contact Report 150<br />
Quetzal<br />
53. The wing-like sides of the bodies, therefore, are further apart.<br />
55. The building material is of an extremely hard and resistant material, in contrast to our materials, which are of a soft form.<br />
57. Unfortunately, we cannot clarify the origin of these aircraft, which we have observed and monitored for eleven years, because there is no possibility that we can form a connection with the passengers of these devices.<br />
58. The aircraft are so designed that all of our attempts of communication have failed because our waves and vibrations and all other equivalent types have been absorbed by the outer hulls of the devices.<br />
62. It is certain, however, that the life forms controlling these aircraft are humane and reveal no hostility at all, which is flawlessly evident by our eleven-year long observation and monitoring<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 02:11, 27 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I watched that movie Predator and thought what an interesting hobby for ET`s, little did I know it was actually occuring. We really need to stop fighting each other like ignorant babboons on Earth and find ways to interfere and repel ships that don`t belong here. I`m sure if we got all the scientists of Earth to work together on non destructive and psycho projects we can accomplish something. There is a constant all these ships must maintain if we disturb that no one will want to come here.:}<br />
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== TheUFOGuy said ... ==<br />
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Have anyone heard othe janosians. It as said their planet Janos was destroyed by metoer shower or a astriod or a moon named Saton (pronounce as Zaton). Are there tall greys in Betelgeuse? Are they ET from Alhpa Draconia (Thuban). Are there lyrans living Alderbaran?<br />
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== Epicn2l said ... ==<br />
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In the section "Peaceful ET race to officially visit Earth - 35.P1068-1083" it mentions that we would possibly be visited around the year 2000.<br />
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Is any information mentioned about this in a later contact?<br />
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--[[User:Epicn2l|Kit Varela]] 05:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I think it was postponed Epicn2l not sure why, but I think we have to evolve a lot more before we get any encounters from other beings trying to develop themselves in the cosmos the same as us. All that we need to know is possible to solve our problems with our own current knowledge so it's not necessary for others to help us in person or material form. Ideas and conscience is good enough to push new ideas and solutions. As a whole Earth is nowhere near common sense level so once we reach that in our civilization we might see someone someday. :)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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I wish we had a number of those abducted and taken to other planets and the names of them, what star system etc etc!! I imagine since earth humans are unable to travel through space without dire consequences to their health - that they would be suitably narcotized by the advanced ET's then able to breath air that is similar to our own once on the foreign planet. I enjoyed reading this page as it summed things up all in one go.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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I agree Cat that they need to design the ultimate material body that can adapt and withstand any material universe challenge so we can boldly go where we are not suppose to go. :)I bet some ingenious living beings have found a way to alter or design the body in a way that can adapt to many different atmospheres. Unfortunately majority of Earth is worried about there bank accounts at this time rather than more interesting stuff. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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There appears to be a conflict of dates when the High Council was first contacted in 1951 and on Contact Report 469 when Keridwena with the advice of the High Council in 466 contacted Merlin in the hopes of influencing King Arthur to adhere to creational ways.<br />
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Extraterrestrials<br />
History of Aryans Recent Plejan history - 70.92-100<br />
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On the home planets in the Pleja System, the wicked war was fought until the bitter end and the scientists capitulated. Their type of government was removed and placed in the hands of spiritual leaders who announced the long-forgotten spiritual lessons and educated the nations. The people recognized the value of the lessons and have lived accordingly since that time. They finally found peace and have lived ever since then under the law and order of absolute determination. These conditions are still preserved today and will never change. For the next 8,000 years, the Pleja nations developed themselves to a very high spiritual level and unanimously lived for evolution. They developed great alliances with every other nation possible within far-reaching systems<br />
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They also performed new expeditions and in 1951, by Earth chronology, they discovered a world in the Andromeda Star System. It was inhabited by an extremely high developed form of life which existed semi-materially and semi-spiritually as well. It was agreed among this form of life in Andromeda, that they should guide and govern the Pleja nations and their alliances with their gigantic knowledge and wisdom.<br />
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Contact Report 469<br />
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By Year 466, Merlin had already been contacted by the Plejaren Keridwena, who, as I mentioned earlier, was a sister of my grandfather Ezekeel (the mediator). This took place after the High Council decided to convey Henoch's teachings to Merlin, which he was to disseminate in order to contain the barbarism of the Celts so that they would refrain from barbarity and their bloody battles. Merlin, being a Celtic druid, was chosen because the High Council hoped that with his help, King Arthur, who, according to a “Vorausschau” (German = view into the future) was to be born on January 4, 469, would transform Henoch's teachings of love, peace, harmony and the freedom and equality for all people into reality.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:46, 21 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== alex_awadzi@hotmail.com said ... ==<br />
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I agree with what Ptaah says about music. I would only like to know which kind of a truly harmonic music are nowadays to be found. Because many old people who used to make harmonic music have passed away(death). The new youth do not have knowledge or understanding the meaning of harmonic music and what effect it has on human being of this earth. Harmonic music can influence positivly the proces of meditation and ect. I would like to ask Billy if Ptaah could give more information on which harmonic music is the best to be listen to. Peace, harmony and love be to all.<br />
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--alex_awadzi@hotmail.com 15:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alex,<br />
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I can only agree with your words.<br />
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In the contact notes they refer to classic (Bethoven, Nabucco, ect) music as harmonious and that there are also harmonious songs in various other music directions (techno, rock, pop, altrnative, trip hop, jazz and blues ect...). As far as i know, in general "hip-hop" (there are a few exceptions though), trash mainstream pop (this "lalala ooooh boy, kiss stuff") and "death/heavy metal" are not harmonious at all. As far as i kow from a friend, harmonious music is defined as a music where notes/tones are played in a sequence where they have to be close together and do not vary more than 1/2 tone from each other. <br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony<br />
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There is still harmonious music produced, but it becomes more and more an exception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5bL_XbO64&feature=related<br />
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Peace and wisdom may also be with you.<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:10, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Nature has the best musicians and the best music comes from Creation. I like the classic water rushing against boulders in a small mountain run-off stream. Crickets and frogs sound nice as do Magpies and Ravens. <br />
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--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 00:07, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the info Bigfoot, I guess all those nature CD's are produced by the Pleiadians. Time to round up the producers for questioning. :) j/k I think we need a big stereo system that can amplify nature sounds with a built in subquakewoofer. Earth is saved once again. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== geld-verdienen-werbung said ... ==<br />
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verdienen im internet<br />
hey schaut mal hier<br />
http://www.automatisch-geld-verdienen.com/<br />
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--geld-verdienen-werbung 22:19, 22 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sairo9 said ... ==<br />
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Dear Mr Billy,<br />
Q-1 Can u tell me when is the next big contact session between humans and light beings similar to the time when pyramids were built?<br />
Q-2 Can u tell me where Sri Sathya Sai Baba has taken a physical form presently after he left his humanly body in April 2011?<br />
Q-3 Whats the significance of the Nazca Lines?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sairo9|Sairo9]] 19:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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After sending a few emails to the biological lab that was the first to decipher the genetic code of the swine flu, I asked if the flu was genetically engineered in a lab. Twice they told me it came from Mexico with no further explanation. I had asked if it was created in a lab and there was no response to that question which made me think that they were protecting either a patent or intellectual property. As it played out, it always seemed that the people who died from swine flu had already had their shot of Tamiflu. I followed the Tamiflu trail which lead to Rumsfeld. <br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:45, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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What devious minds our Earth human currently employ in order to further business? I wonder how this business came about in the universe. It's brilliant if mature minds and partly humane are in control but with the robo fleet of mental business we are in for a long journey. I say disband all massive corporations from influencing decisions pertaining to humanity. It should be a separate entity for the less capable in worldly matters.<br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:17, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila...good to hear someone has the courage to "stir the pot" and make those responsible for abuses been seen under the light. Here is another article you and others may find interesting on how the ruse of biological threat (created by them, them profited) of Anthrax.<br />
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Well, BioPort, based in North Lansing, Michigan, is the only corporation in the United States with a license to make the Anthrax vaccine. Except that BioPort doesn't actually make the vaccine, BioPort simply bought the laboratory that does make the vaccine, Michigan Biologic Products Institute, from the State of Michigan in 1998.<br />
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Less than a month after it took over the business, BioPort acquired Michigan Biologic Products Institute's sole and exclusive customer for the Anthrax vaccine, the US Department of Defence, and an exclusive $29 million contract with the Department of Defence to "manufacture, test, bottle and store the anthrax vaccine." The Pentagon agreed to pay BioPort $4.70 per shot and each member of the armed forces, that's 2.4 million soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, is supposed to get six shots over an 18-month period. That’s a huge, guaranteed market for BioPort’s product. Indeed, according to former Central Intelligence Agency military analyst Patrick Eddington, the estimated $60 million worth of anthrax vaccine BioPort is expected to produce for the Defence Department over the next five years could just be the beginning. <br />
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The Pentagon has a $322 million, 10-year programme to develop at least three, and perhaps as many as a dozen additional biological warfare vaccines, making BioPort a huge profit."<br />
So now lets look at who owns and runs BioPort Corporation. Let's begin with Admiral William J. Crowe Jr. former Head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former US ambassador to Great Britain. It seems that back when President George H. W. Bush was setting up Osama Bin Laden as a "freedom fighter" (Afghanistan's "freedom fighters" were credited with shooting down more than 270 Soviet aircraft using American made Stinger missiles in the 1980's) the good Admiral and his associates on the Joint Chiefs of Staff were, according to some reports, selling American made weapons-grade Anthrax to Saddam Hussein in the hopes that he would use it against Iran. These days Admiral Crowe sits on the Board of Directors and owns 13% of BioPort Corp. <br />
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This article was written by: By Ian Gurney. <br />
Author of "The Cassandra Prophecy."<br />
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It is not surprising to figure out that former DoD official such as Rumsfield and his cronies former Navy admiral William Crowe who sends off military people to fight their wars all profit from death and destruction. Many veterans who today suffer from ill effects of forced vaccinations will be alarmed and angry once they find out how their top leaders have profited at their expense while serving their country under distinction and honor.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:47, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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These politicians can act as foolish as they want now but they will not escape there destiny in the future when DNA plays a role in there entire existence.:) I say fix the problem now or you kin will not be happy in the end. Your entire line will not be trusted for anything worth any value far in the future if you continue on your foolish childish games. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 22:59, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== AbeFinkelstein said ... ==<br />
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STFU 2 faced weasel clowns. STFU ugly low power level genital starved clowns.<br />
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I noticed you like to complain about politicians.<br />
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But who's the bigger psychopath? The megalomaniacal politicians with low science knowledge or the scientists who serve as their minions instead of being in charge?<br />
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STFU ANIMAL ROBOT CLOWNS.<br />
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Who's the bigger psychopaths, the megalomaniac politians, or you who reproduce beside them, animal clown robots.<br />
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STFU ANIMALS ROBOTS. YOU THINK YOURSELF RIGHTEOUS? MORAL?<br />
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You think yourselves consciously advanced?<br />
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You that knew you were in Creation's game, that knew you were not in the first version of existence and hence no rush to reproduce and still reproduced in apalling conditions?<br />
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STFU FAGGOT UGLY LOW POWER LEVEL GENITAL STARVED CLOWNS.<br />
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YOU ARE 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000X THEN THE POLITICIANS YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT AS MUCH AS FAGGOT PSYCHO NEWBS AS THEY ARE AS WELL.<br />
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YOU FAGGOT MAGGOT GENITAL STARVED CLOWN ROBOTS THINK YOU UNDERSTAND?<br />
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You understand nothing.<br />
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For your degenerate hypocritical 2 faced weasel whining, it certainly didn't stop you from reprodcing and spreading the suffering to others just cause your genital starved appetites take priority over all else.<br />
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STFU YOU PSYCHOPATH DEGENERATE MONSTERS.<br />
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STFU USELESS BREEDERS.<br />
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--[[User:AbeFinkelstein|AbeFinkelstein]] 23:28, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sounds like that TROLL came back to haunt this website again?<br />
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Markvd is so right, once people start to find out who is responsible for these unnecessary sufferings done by others for the sake of profit and greed, they will create a lynch crowd on the look out for revenge even from the military ranks which holds the meaning of self sacrifice as its most honored status being betrayed by the so called "leaders" who treat them like a piece of meat, to be consumed and dumped into a trash heap when they are of no use anymore.<br />
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There is a follow up article on another anthrax product which altered the DNA of these so called "repressed anthrax spores" that was supposed to reduce the time for complete vaccination from 18 month period to around 6 months. However this new vaccine was to be always contained in a controlled temperature environment not to vary more than 7 degrees or less and kept out of sunlight to prevent these so called repressed anthrax from mutation.<br />
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Seems like the primary goal was to shorten the vaccination period so more people could be forced to take this shot, thus increasing production means more profit into Admiral Crowe and his cronies pockets!<br />
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Many service men and women got sick and some are still suffering from its forced vaccination program, then you ask yourself, did they find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or was that another ruse to generate more profits for these war mongers?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:03, 20 June 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:FIGU_Special_Bulletin_49&diff=18699Talk:FIGU Special Bulletin 492012-06-19T20:47:34Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== alex_awadzi@hotmail.com said ... ==<br />
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I agree with what Ptaah says about music. I would only like to know which kind of a truly harmonic music are nowadays to be found. Because many old people who used to make harmonic music have passed away(death). The new youth do not have knowledge or understanding the meaning of harmonic music and what effect it has on human being of this earth. Harmonic music can influence positivly the proces of meditation and ect. I would like to ask Billy if Ptaah could give more information on which harmonic music is the best to be listen to. Peace, harmony and love be to all.<br />
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--alex_awadzi@hotmail.com 15:16, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome Alex,<br />
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I can only agree with your words.<br />
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In the contact notes they refer to classic (Bethoven, Nabucco, ect) music as harmonious and that there are also harmonious songs in various other music directions (techno, rock, pop, altrnative, trip hop, jazz and blues ect...). As far as i know, in general "hip-hop" (there are a few exceptions though), trash mainstream pop (this "lalala ooooh boy, kiss stuff") and "death/heavy metal" are not harmonious at all. As far as i kow from a friend, harmonious music is defined as a music where notes/tones are played in a sequence where they have to be close together and do not vary more than 1/2 tone from each other. <br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony<br />
<br />
There is still harmonious music produced, but it becomes more and more an exception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5bL_XbO64&feature=related<br />
<br />
Peace and wisdom may also be with you.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 16:10, 11 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Nature has the best musicians and the best music comes from Creation. I like the classic water rushing against boulders in a small mountain run-off stream. Crickets and frogs sound nice as do Magpies and Ravens. <br />
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--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 00:07, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Thanks for the info Bigfoot, I guess all those nature CD's are produced by the Pleiadians. Time to round up the producers for questioning. :) j/k I think we need a big stereo system that can amplify nature sounds with a built in subquakewoofer. Earth is saved once again. <br />
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--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 00:22, 13 July 2010 (BST)<br />
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== geld-verdienen-werbung said ... ==<br />
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verdienen im internet<br />
hey schaut mal hier<br />
http://www.automatisch-geld-verdienen.com/<br />
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--geld-verdienen-werbung 22:19, 22 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sairo9 said ... ==<br />
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Dear Mr Billy,<br />
Q-1 Can u tell me when is the next big contact session between humans and light beings similar to the time when pyramids were built?<br />
Q-2 Can u tell me where Sri Sathya Sai Baba has taken a physical form presently after he left his humanly body in April 2011?<br />
Q-3 Whats the significance of the Nazca Lines?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Sairo9|Sairo9]] 19:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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After sending a few emails to the biological lab that was the first to decipher the genetic code of the swine flu, I asked if the flu was genetically engineered in a lab. Twice they told me it came from Mexico with no further explanation. I had asked if it was created in a lab and there was no response to that question which made me think that they were protecting either a patent or intellectual property. As it played out, it always seemed that the people who died from swine flu had already had their shot of Tamiflu. I followed the Tamiflu trail which lead to Rumsfeld. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 16:45, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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What devious minds our Earth human currently employ in order to further business? I wonder how this business came about in the universe. It's brilliant if mature minds and partly humane are in control but with the robo fleet of mental business we are in for a long journey. I say disband all massive corporations from influencing decisions pertaining to humanity. It should be a separate entity for the less capable in worldly matters.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 21:17, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Aloha Sheila...good to hear someone has the courage to "stir the pot" and make those responsible for abuses been seen under the light. Here is another article you and others may find interesting on how the ruse of biological threat (created by them, them profited) of Anthrax.<br />
<br />
Well, BioPort, based in North Lansing, Michigan, is the only corporation in the United States with a license to make the Anthrax vaccine. Except that BioPort doesn't actually make the vaccine, BioPort simply bought the laboratory that does make the vaccine, Michigan Biologic Products Institute, from the State of Michigan in 1998.<br />
<br />
Less than a month after it took over the business, BioPort acquired Michigan Biologic Products Institute's sole and exclusive customer for the Anthrax vaccine, the US Department of Defence, and an exclusive $29 million contract with the Department of Defence to "manufacture, test, bottle and store the anthrax vaccine." The Pentagon agreed to pay BioPort $4.70 per shot and each member of the armed forces, that's 2.4 million soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, is supposed to get six shots over an 18-month period. That’s a huge, guaranteed market for BioPort’s product. Indeed, according to former Central Intelligence Agency military analyst Patrick Eddington, the estimated $60 million worth of anthrax vaccine BioPort is expected to produce for the Defence Department over the next five years could just be the beginning. <br />
<br />
The Pentagon has a $322 million, 10-year programme to develop at least three, and perhaps as many as a dozen additional biological warfare vaccines, making BioPort a huge profit."<br />
So now lets look at who owns and runs BioPort Corporation. Let's begin with Admiral William J. Crowe Jr. former Head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former US ambassador to Great Britain. It seems that back when President George H. W. Bush was setting up Osama Bin Laden as a "freedom fighter" (Afghanistan's "freedom fighters" were credited with shooting down more than 270 Soviet aircraft using American made Stinger missiles in the 1980's) the good Admiral and his associates on the Joint Chiefs of Staff were, according to some reports, selling American made weapons-grade Anthrax to Saddam Hussein in the hopes that he would use it against Iran. These days Admiral Crowe sits on the Board of Directors and owns 13% of BioPort Corp. <br />
<br />
This article was written by: By Ian Gurney. <br />
Author of "The Cassandra Prophecy."<br />
<br />
<br />
It is not surprising to figure out that former DoD official such as Rumsfield and his cronies former Navy admiral William Crowe who sends off military people to fight their wars all profit from death and destruction. Many veterans who today suffer from ill effects of forced vaccinations will be alarmed and angry once they find out how their top leaders have profited at their expense while serving their country under distinction and honor.<br />
<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:47, 19 June 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Concentration,_Meditation,_Sleep&diff=18691Talk:Concentration, Meditation, Sleep2012-06-18T21:07:24Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Ramirez said ... ==<br />
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"As a rule eight hours is the highest measure of all things concerning sleeping and lying in bed.<br />
More than that fosters laziness, aggression, moodiness, neglect of duty and disinterest etc. and moreover, it testifies to a weakness of character and virtuelessness."<br />
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That's a bit rough on persons who allow themselves more than 8 hours sack time plus also it's simply a reality that some need more sleep than others just like water intake.<br />
Moreover not accurate regarding moodiness & aggression .... without my beauty sleep those two unpleasant characteristics would definitely manifest whilst with sufficient rest (for me) they remain relatively absent.<br />
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Apart from that quite interesting that the state of mind before sleep heavily influences the content of dreams.<br />
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== levit8 said ... ==<br />
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I really needed to read and understand this because of my lack of knowledge in regards to this subject and how it effects me I found it resourceful for a human who is just trying to be the best human I can be, I won't thorw you flowers but I will throw you a thumbs up beam<br />
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--levit8 08:01, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Billy says:<br />
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For the human being it is extremely important and of special value to always realise that there are both two forms of concentration and two forms of meditation<br />
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One form refers to the stabilisation, which means that the object of concentration or meditation is fixed and is made permanent and unchanging<br />
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The second form is that of analytics by which the consciousness carries out an investigation and analysis of what has been concentrated and meditated on in an observing and considering, researching, testing and investigating manner, in order to create from it a synthesis, that is a summary and union or rather a result.<br />
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This analysis is of importance, because first of all everything must be processed, worked on, and everything must be undertaken to be able to use the whole thing."<br />
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Billy end of statement.<br />
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I have experimented with using these approaches not only in the waking, but also in the dream states. In the waking state, only the evolved humans (which is very rare) responds in a appropriate manner, as most are still degenerative and undisciplined and blinded by their limited capacity to acknowledge the truth, I don't even bother anymore, but keep my thought in silence.<br />
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However, in the dream state, one can actually question any character that appears "illogical" in nature, just look into their eyes to find any reaction! Sometimes the character will "sense" you about to analyze them and they flee! However, one must not be too analytical, because it scare away the characters in your dreams!<br />
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In the dream state, if I'm interpretating it correctly, Billy mentioned that the Unconscious and Subconscious are evident, then would it be logical to assume that doing an analytical observation and questioning are the same as analyzing one's Unconscious and Subconscious?<br />
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If so, than we can learn allot more about our personality or personalities from the dreams by inter-acting with them instead of just being some observer. After all, in the dream state, one need not be burdened with your other 5 primitive senses interfering with these exchanges between the Conscious, Subconscious and Unconscious....just a thought?<br />
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--Hawaiian 20:47, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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I think I will pick up this brick (concentration/meditation/sleep) and make it a full load.<br />
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--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 19:08, 8 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== BraveKnight said ... ==<br />
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Billy, you are a man amongst boys who are poor excuses for men. It is, indeed, the ignorant man of Earth who's degenerate manner of thinking and incomprehensibly idiotic courses of action that will call him to account very soon. Not to mention any names, but the United States government is who of which I am speaking. The people of the United States have every right to be knowing of the truth, why then, is the truth hidden from us? Also, the wars and killing in the name of some non-existent, imaginary, invented creator god and creator god's son is crazy and must end. Meanwhile, you exploit the intellectually challenged capacity of the majority of the peoplem, in that they are not so far enough advanced to see the ridiculous, laughable notion that there even exists this fake, invented god while you print "in god we trust" on the money and pretend to the people that you actually believe that nonsense yourselves, all while you keep this country deaf dumb and blind in the dark and act like material wealth or power over people actually is of any value. These shameful acts on the part of those who assume they have some meaningless power and hide the truth from the people will be called to account, of this they will be knowing. Billy, thank you for your tireless effort and sacrifices. Ptaah, Quetzal, Semjase and all the gracious Plejaren people as well as other entities assisting in the mission, I thank you. Don't know where I would be in life without the truth, one day because of your gracious efforts the truth will be prevalent on Earth thanks to you guys. Much love to you all :)<br />
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--[[User:BraveKnight|BraveKnight]] 11:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Has anyone out there actually meditated in one's dreams? The outcome will surprise you because now one has control over a realm where influences are supposively done at an unconscious level by higher more evolved spiritual Beings like the Plejarens, now you can hear and even seen them, therefore physical contact is no longer necessary any more once one has reached this stage of self discipline where telepathy is paramount.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:07, 18 June 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:FIGU_Special_Bulletin_20&diff=18474Talk:FIGU Special Bulletin 202012-05-02T20:33:42Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Considering how close MIB persons to mister Billy, I guess MIB organization has somekind of quarter in Switzerland to run surveillance on mister Billy, in cooperation with Swiss intelligence office, funded by old-NAZI, neo-NAZI, postmodernist-NAZI, and contemporary-NAZI, which have accounts in Swiss money laundry banks. I read somewhere a letter from an American intelligence officer for Wendelle Stevens which said that mister Billy is observed by several intelligence offices, including Swiss's. I still do not get it why NAZI freaks and Swiss financial gangsters hate mister Billy, since mister Billy never stole their coins and exposed their financial frauds. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 20:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I want to say something about Kalliope. This is what happened to the jealous wives and sometimes also happened to the jealous girlfriends. After they became ex-wives and ex-girlfriends they will deny many facts which are parts of their own experiences. In extreme cases they even denied that they have ever met the men they used to love. I wish in the far future there will be no more troubled wive and troubled girlfriend in DERN universe, so the husbands and boyfriends could develop their Egos peacefully. But I always know that most of my wishes were not based on reality and did not take historical facts into consideration. <br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 20:49, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I would agree so, reminds me one early morning about 4 AM waiting for the sun to be up so we could start trolling for the big yellow tin tuna after a night of successful ocean bottoming fishing. We caught several hundred pounds of red snappers and were just enjoying the peaceful calm ocean about 8-10 miles from land when the CB radio cracked alive with traffic.<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC) (correction "yellow fin tuna" not "tin"?) we caught one that day about 115 pounds, medium size<br />
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On the other end was some bitchy wife telling her husband to run some errands when he got back on land, she could easily told him to call her when he arrived, but no everyone on that channel could hear that poor guy getting hen pecked! Maybe that’s the reason why he chose to go fishing to get some peace of mind.<br />
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Makes one wonder why that black flag with the symbolic ball and chain icon and warning “Wife’s Onboard” is so similar to a pirate’s black flag with the skull and bones?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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I wonder what the genuine dinosaur photos look like in the 2001 edition of Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Block No. 1? They must be quite fascinating photos but are they clear?<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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MIB utilized hypnosis to universal remote control the mind of people of Earth. Those folks are dedicated to try and get Billy and fail 21 times. I wonder how they discovered there hideout, they probably utilized some of Asket's 007 gear and thwarted there schemes. I wonder if they could create some type of mental barrier so people are not so easily controlled by malevolent forces. :)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian, people deserve what they are willing to put up with. If your friend couldn't stick up for himself, that's his problem. Believe me, there are just as many bitchy husbands as there are bitchy wives. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Hi Sheila,<br />
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Yeah you're right, I was thinking of cutting in on the radio and telling her off, but it was not my boat so had to respect the captain on that account. I did not know that guy was, some other fisherman who should have done what you said...<br />
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It's too bad us Earth humans are not like the Plejarens in this respect, they don't have the mother-in-law interference problem that are so apparent here.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hi James,<br />
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I added the photos from the book for you to see. My digital camera was in its highest resolution auto focus mode when I snapped the shots. Thus, if some of the pictures look fuzzy, that's how fuzzy they actually appear in the book.<br />
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Thanks Ben! Fascinating! Strange how the humans are photographed exactly side-on. Some would say it was taken from a book or something but theyre still plausibly real photos of planet Neber.<br />
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== Markvd said ... ==<br />
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Our world is full of strategic baffoons that want to learn more utilizing treacherous means such as setups and falsifications. Pay it no mind as they tend to do this to either destroy all hope in BEAM's work or to learn more by accusation, thus propelling BEAM to prove himself over time and again. You can only teach blind corrupted spirits if you teach them humbly how to accept such creative wonders as planets that have dinosaurs. They will use every tilt and means to defy truth at times only to deny all of humanity freedom. Thus enslaving humanity themselves due to there false accusations. :)<br />
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Is the top picture (with the pyramids) supposed to contain dinosaurs or not? If so, it's incredible that man could live among dinosaurs - long enough to build those structures! Then again, more advanced planets may build their pyramids much quicker with sound and levitation than it took our people thousands of years ago.<br />
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== TROLL ERA said ... ==<br />
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"people deserve what they are willing to put up with. If your friend couldn't stick up for himself, that's his problem. Believe me, there are just as many bitchy husbands as there are bitchy wives. "<br />
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SHEILA, YOU MAGGOT PSYCHOPATH BITCH, greetings neighbourhood psychopath.<br />
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So what you are saying applies for trivial shit, like "bitchy husbands" and "bitchy wives", essentially your genital-genital fetishes. So you know how to comment when it comes to getting your genitals scratched - a trivial petty issue.<br />
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But when it comes to much bigger things, things 100000000x more important or less trivial, like YOU FUCKING MAGGOT BITCH AREN'T ALLOWED TO REPRODUCE PERIOD AND EXPOSE YOUR KIDS TO THINGS WAY WORSE THAN A "BITCHY HUSBAND/WIFE" LIKE POISONOUS OXYGEN DEPLETED AIR, OVERPOPALATION OR CRAZY PEOPLE WITH GUNS THAT USE THEM, WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT YOU FUCKING PYSCHOPATH DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPOSE YOUR KIDS TO ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS PERIOD, YOU say things like "you sound very much like a child who can't get their way". <br />
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So maggot psychopath 2 faced self contradicting weasel bitch, when it comes to genital contact issues, people better stand up for themselves. When I ask you to justify reproducing in pollution, overpopulation, and besides all sorts or predators/parasites, issues 100000000000x worse, not to mention Creation's garbage absolute dependency laws, than standing up for yourself results in a "you sound very much like a child who can't get their way".<br />
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So Shiela you self contradicting animal, you'd better stand up for yourself when it comes to genital issues, but you aren't allowed to stand up for yourself being hatched/reproduced/bonded in imperfect conditions, ***DANGEROUS CONDITIONS***; NO!! THAN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT!!!! <br />
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MAGGOT BITCH: YOU ARE SICK IN THE MIND AND LACK REASONING POWER.<br />
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And you wonder why the elites are in plans to hunt you down like harmful game? You are ALL (99.9999% of you) sick in the mind yet your completely oblivious to it. Whats even more pathetic and disturbing, is that you that are supposedly close to a prophet that should have way more godly reasoning power act like 2 faced weasel psychopaths. At least if it was the averge idiot it would be 1 thing, but you that think yourselves enlightened and righteous blatantly ignore simple logic. Your in luck psychopath animals: in the apocalypse, waking up from your zombie unrighteous charging bondage coma is the name of the game. You will wake up willingly or forcefuly, but wake up you will.<br />
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Alive, trolling newb: "so the husbands and boyfriends could develop their Egos peacefully"<br />
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There's a problem with this statement psychotic animal. You work out your kinks and issues, on your own time. You do the best you can on your own time when its only your skin on the line. When other people are involved your best isn't good enough. If you are not capable of handling simple logic than you shouldn't reproduce. You see, non retards are not interested in being summoned here and eduring your psychotic fetishes as you slowly learn to stop being a psychopath, you do that by yourself trolling newb. Thnx.<br />
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YOU, all off you, SHIELA YOU MAGGOT UNJUST BITCH, DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPOSE PEOPLE VIA REPRODUCTING TO ANY SORT OF PROBLEM WHATSOEVER IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU FLAGRANT PSYCOPATHS unjust weasel newbs.<br />
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Psychopath bondage robots, you will learn, ohh will you learn a lesson on morals in the coming time.<br />
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PS. Sheila if you want we can practice "standing up for yourself" together. <br />
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The example I had in mind was that we would schedule a meeting together in person, and I would instantly upon seeing you skip the formalities, wip out my massive dick you'd like to deepthroat and try to poke your face. You can practice standing up to my brazeness as I repeatedly try to poke you with my dick in your mouth and then simply in any place. After you've stood up to yourself a few times and I keep asking "can i insert now yet", "can i insert now yet"... "can i insert now yet", you will allow me to insert you, and we can bond since you stood up foryourself and your vaginal issues.<br />
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THE EXAMPLE I DEFINATELY DIDN'T HAVE IN MIND IS that I would make you aware that your body is poisoned with all sorts of toxins and than more righteous people than you are suffering now because you had the gall to expose them to parasites/predtars, to overpopulation and to the constant knowledge that at any time they are walking down the street, they can be shot in the back by Jamal and Tyrone because well McDonald's meals aren't free. This example I definately did not have in mind, would definately not be something worth standing up for, because its just petty shit.<br />
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PPS. (_))================D18:52, 26 April 2012 (BST)~~<br />
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--[[User:Newb Slayer|Newb Slayer]] 18:52, 26 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Christian,<br />
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Your comment is not only very christian, but also successfully represent the best things of Romanian cultural heritage that you are always proud of. You should develop your comment into a comprehensive treatise and publish it in the form of booklet. The whole world is waiting for your enlightenment.<br />
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Preliminary Postscript<br />
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I need some materials to help me understanding the Romanian culture better. Please send me a tiny part of your gigantic collection of Romanian bitches photographs. Thank you for your time and noble attention.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 07:41, 27 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Don't worry about me, delusional Troll Era, genital issues are the least of my worries. But you obviously have genital issues that you should get looked after. You seem rather obsessed. What I expose my kids to is truth, ethics and standing up for oneself. I hope you’re happy because I exposed your rant to one of my kids and the response was what a fucked up piece of crap you are. What can I say, kids are always right <br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 15:58, 27 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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Alive, wtf is “culture”. Wtf is “Romanian”. Alive, psychopath animal, I don’t deal in these kinds of primitive/meaningless concepts but rather abstract psychedelic thoughts and impulses. <br />
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That treatise won’t be necessary psychopath animal, as your (99.9999% of you) enlightenment is already clearly visible in the present state of the planet, the known war, famine and disease filled earth history and the planet Malona (asteroid belt) you blew up. Poor effort, but thanks for showing up.<br />
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Attempt to bait and switch failed psycho newb. Are you bitter that I don’t want your dick/vagina on my face? It sure sounds like it. Faggot prostitute; don’t hate people because they don’t want your genitals – that’s not reasonable, ROFL, LULZ. Need a dick to suck? Suck your own dick. Can’t reach? Buy a dildo. Can’t afford one? Use a stick.<br />
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Sheila: “Don't worry about me, delusional Troll Era, genital issues are the least of my worries”. Maggot bitch, don’t lie. Genital issues is everything for you. This is clearly visible BY THE PRESENT VERSION OF REALITY YOU ENGAGE IN. STFU animal retard, and don’t blatantly lie, NO ONE LIKES A FUCKING (hint hint, ROFL, ahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha ha aha ha a HA, ROFL) LIAR.<br />
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Sheila you maggot 2 faced weasel bitch. You are failing miserably at exposing your kids to ethics because when you hatched them in the first place, you exposed them to overpopulation, pollution, parasites (you included) and war. Sheila - maggot psychopath - you have a very twisted concept of ethics as already explained. But since danger, pollution, overpopulation, Jamal’s handgun, and all in all unreasonableness is ethics to you, well Sheila, who are us elite to deny you the pain. And you wonder why you will be hunted down like the harmful game that you are?<br />
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Sheila, I want out of reincarnation. I WANT FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION. I DON’T WANT TO BE HERE. I DON’T WANT TO MAKE GENITAL CONTACT WITH YOU. You on the other hand, can only get a kick out of this version of reality. Attempt to bait and switch failed psychotic animal. It’s the person that engages and repeats an act that has an “obsession” with it, not the other way around. No, let’s be even more generous, it’s the person that wants to force an act on another that doesn’t want it, that has an obsession with it, not the other way around. Attempt to bait and switch failed psychotic animal. Poor effort , but thanks for showing up.<br />
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PS. A child agreed to something. This proves everything! Merely saying anything makes it so does it? Teach me your mad logic skilz. ROFL. Silly newb. HERP DERP. HERP DERP. NARF NARF . WAAHHG.<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum <br />
ON YOUR KNEES. I WANT YOU TO BEG FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT SUCK DICK LIKE YOU WERE HOPING.<br />
You could learn a lot from that link cockroach weasel newb Alive, based on your idiotic meaningless statements. Don’t hate people that reject your genitals. That’s not reasonable. ROFL, you pathetic fucking maggot.<br />
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So I’m a piece of crap for asking you to justify reproducing in overpopulation, pollution, war, eating, shitting, breathing, decaying, dying, but you are ethical for doing it. With statements like these Shiela, you can be certain that a mass culling of psycho newbs like yourself is coming, and mercilessly.<br />
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You have no concept of morals whatsoever. In that sick sick mind of yours, Alive, Sheila, all of you, you actually think you have bondage rights. You actually think you can reproduce no matter what situation/environment you find yourself in. You actually think you can expose your defenceless child to danger. You actually think it’s your right, knowing you are in pollution to force poisonous oxygen depleted air into other people’s lungs. LULZ, YOU ARE ALL SICK IN THE MIND – but don’t take my word for it, merely witness the present and past state of the planet, and Malona (asteroid belt) you blew up, and the suffering you would have caused as wise ones you forcefully bonded to you via reproduction would have seen it slowing coming and been tormented by their knowledge. STFU psycho newb clowns.<br />
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PPS. mini me fetishes, MORE ADVANCED PETS, pocket forced friends. flagrant prostitution. RECTAL RESIDUE. CUM SHOTZ. DIRTY SANCHEZ. GOLD SHOWERS. machine guns, BEING AT THE MERCY OF 14X OVERPOPULATING NOXIOUS BREEDING VERMIN – YOUR COUNT’S AT 3 MASTER MEIER YOU 2 FACED WEASEL, atomic bombs, poisonous oxygen depleted air, nutrient depleted food, politics, paper pushing, projectile semen, deep throating, biological weapons causing gruesome slow deaths, mana depleted earth, RICHARD GERE PRESENTS GIRBLING.<br />
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PPPS. Feces, urine, semen, saliva, sweat, stores with price numbers, deals, 50% off, 60% off, 70% off, 2 4 1, 3 4 1, 9/11, 911, ritual sacrifice, sidewalk ads, tv ads, radio ads, internet ads, toilet room ads, mailed ads, explosive diarrhoea, boogers, farts, arm pits, pubic hair, animal bloodsports, maggots, cockroaches, vermin, surprise bear maulings, Brazen Bull, ass crack licking, stretching and quartering, abacination, denailing, Glasgow smile, Iron Maiden, scaphism, pitchcapping, boiling, sawing, dunking, castration, bountiful semen guzzling, SHEILA AND ALIVE PRESENT THEIR GENITALS – SCRATCH THAT, NOT PRESENT, WON’T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER AFTER THEIR PRESENTATION: FREEDOM FROM REINCARNATION MUST BE GRANTED TO THOSE THAT DESIRE IT; IT’S ONLY FAIR.<br />
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PPPPS. Awww, how cute, obvious things you clearly engage in, THAT ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE, are being pointed out, and you grasp at pathetic bait and switch negation. LULZ. Poor effort, but thanks for showing up. ROFL.<br />
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PPPPPS. BAM, WILD SNORLAX APPEARS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7dK62QdLM&feature=related<br />
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PPPPPPS. BAM, ANTITHESIS WILD SNORLAX APPEARS.<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-tTO8PpoQ<br />
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYt3T3SxV4 <br />
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--[[User:Newb Slayer|Newb Slayer]] 21:06, 27 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Christian,<br />
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I will not respond to your comment anymore unless you send me the photographs of your bitchy Romanian cousins.<br />
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Extraordinary Postscript<br />
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Do not forget to attach their biodata (name, birth place, birth date, height, weight, hobbies, native language, and religion).<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:31, 28 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== TROLL ERA said ... ==<br />
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There you go as per request – YOUR ULTIMATE FETISH – BIODATA VISUALLY INSTEAD OF NUMERICALLY INCLUDED; ROFL. If you’ll leave an address, I can also mail you some of my dick cheese – YOUR EQUAL ULTIMATE FETISH.<br />
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If you want, we can also schedule a photography meeting, where I can photograph you in make up, a dress, high heels and a padded braw and wig, so you can better prepare for your next round of role playing. I can also film you practicing some dance moves so you can study the video to better prepare you for your dance recital your parents will be forcing on you. LULZ.<br />
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I’m feeling in a generous mood, so here’s also my manuscript you requested. Are you ready for it? It’s only 1 sentence long: Part of your stuff keeps growing in power and decreasing in restrictions, in the same way that Creation which is also simply just made of stuff, used stuff as a means to absorb concepts, pressing always further into all angles of anything and everything, though that being said, this limiting version of reality is completely optional.<br />
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Now I’m waiting for your manuscript. Just kidding; no I’m not, as I already know what it is: HERP DERP. HERP DERP. NARF NARF . WAAHHG, show me your genitals, <insert http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum argument here><br />
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Poor effort, but thanks for playing.<br />
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PS. Non Extra Ordinary PS; MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, ETC.<br />
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PPS. HERE COMES THE PAIN, HERE IT COMES!!!!<br />
http://feww.wordpress.com/ <br />
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php <br />
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PPPS. HERE COMES THE PAIN, HERE IT COMES!!!!! HERE IT COMES.....: <br />
THERE’S A REASON YOU WERE BORN WITH CARPET CHEST HAIR: YOU HAVE AN APE MENTALITY. Get the banana Igor, to your right. ... good monkey.<br />
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--[[User:Newb Slayer|Newb Slayer]] 19:32, 28 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Dear person who hides behind the anonymous Internet name of 'Newb Slayer',<br />
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What is it that you actually gain by sitting there and typing such viciously disrespectful comments on here? You are spending quite a bit of your time and focusing your energy on being a very mean person to people you don't even know. Why do you do it?<br />
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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 20:31, 28 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Do we have to put up with this disgusting behaviour on this forum? Can't someone block these posts before they go through? I know they are instant but perhaps a new system is needed? TROLL ERA is a raving lunatic on here and out in public he would be avoided no doubt and locked up going on like that so maybe he is psychopathic? His continual references of a sexual nature are indicative of a very disturbed individual indeed and previous incarnations must have been horrific. I don't bother even reading his posts - they aren't worth it. Take him and throw away the key.<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 22:11, 28 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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And that my friends, is one reason why the extraterrestrials don't bother landing on the White House lawn....I'm sure you can figure out the others.<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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James, thanks for that but I do believe he'll make a comeback. Same channel, different name etc<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 19:46, 1 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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If he does, there's a saying, "Don't feed the trolls."<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Is TROLL ERA/Newb Slayer the one starting all these new user names? Psychopathic behaviour indeed.<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 06:54, 2 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Who knows... But yeah, who has been starting all these new user names is a good question, which I have been wondering about for a while now! I really doubt it is all completely new and random people every time.<br />
Is someone getting paid to do it?<br />
Do they think it is going to override the server because of space?<br />
What a waste of time and energy, if it is one or a few people! <br />
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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemR]] 08:22, 2 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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I guess there are 2 human life forms create new user names without writing any comment. One of them is a female human life form. The other one is Christian AKA Slayer AKA Troll AKA Minimefetishes AKA Bondagerobot AKA Hemaphrodite. Maybe he is in Canada, maybe in Romania. It would be nice to see them marrying each other and create goblins and cyclops.<br />
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--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 2 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Cat said ... ==<br />
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Alive - no it wouldn't! And if they do reproduce, make sure it's on another planet of trolls will you?<br />
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--[[User:Cat|Cat]] 18:52, 2 May 2012 (BST)<br />
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== RemR said ... ==<br />
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Haha, what a strange hypothetical situation...<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I think the troll will certainly be back, he appears to take a special interest in Sheila responses that often throws him into warp orbit in some mind chaotic ramblings on human sexuality that even animals won't dare get into..<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:33, 2 May 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_251&diff=18445Talk:Contact Report 2512012-04-22T22:46:33Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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<div>[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)where did it go?<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I believe there is an updated Contact note to further clarify the bio-genetic androids, both living and deceased regarding the Roswell/Area 51 incident.<br />
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Contact Note 251 is one of the most important historical/genealogy bodies of facts concerning not only Earth humans, but all the other physical parties as well to include the Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords and their counter parts, Plejarens and others. So much information is presented, that it would be very helpful and more effective if some diagrams to represent these events are made showing the chronological along with Cause and Affect results.<br />
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Then, it would also be very helpful to include some footnotes to indicate further analysis is warranted on passages that have been updated before it was printed. It’s a daunting task to incorporate these events for those not familiar with BEAM’s mission, as well as those familiar with it.<br />
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The more one becomes versed of the various Contact Notes, the more one “sees” the inter-connections amongst it, because they are merging into a more “condensed” factor in which words become more clumberson in realizing what “Awareness” is all about. This is evolution within the boundaries of the Sevenfold Laws of Creation between the BEING and Being, symbols are representations of condensed words and/or thoughts, a much more effective way of communicating.<br />
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a man not trying to b rud man but i need to get up with yall man i dont no u billy and i dont no u ptaah but im asumming that u is from a nother planet(ptaah) i dont no where from but i jus wonted u 2 to no man i really beleave every thing u 2 is talking bout i dont no if u will get this but i want to no more about the planet u from and billy im jus 22 years old man and my mine is blon away cuz every sence i was a younger boy i wanted to no about life and other planets and people and now i have the chance man yall life is so fucked up haer man to its not funny for real like i cant tell yall how much i try to find informtion about alliens and i dont call them alliens cus they smarter then us if any thing we the alliens but ptaah man i stay heaar in south carolina and im n school im going for medical assisting cus i have a lil boy he is 5 mouths old nw and i lovve him so much. sorry for my bad words but i want to no so bad about u guys man its killing me to find out new things about life and i have to say it u 2 are smart is shit man im black and native not saying im not but the things u 2 talk about is some for real shit if u 2 want me to keep it a secreat i will i jus wish i could meet u 2 or atless b a frind im not the type to lie or still im on earth with a clean record im a good kid i must say yea i have a problem i smoke weed man not bad i jus do some time stress do it to u but man i dont no who yall is but im dieng to meet u man an ptaah u said u was leaving earth dame that sound crazy but i beleave u cus u never no what life hold but u is a bright person allien or not and u to billy i no im writing run alongs but jus feel me out im the youngest of four man and im jus hear on earth trying yall its real hard out hear for blacks such as my self but man i'd love to meet yall man and the others that came from the p planit cant spell the word but im guessing yall no what i mean billy u is the 6 person to meet with them and i want to b the 7 man im jus inlighted off of what im reading in u and ptaah writings i dnt no if he gone yet but if not man i want to c yall man for real i can b by my self when it happen no camers or nothen i can have sumthen to remember man cus all humans want to no is if there really is a god and alliens i beleave in both cus look how the human body is made thats a lot to creat and for a nother type of life to b out there it have to b a god but to keep it short yall i really want to meet yall u 2 or smart is shit excuss my bad words but dame the things u 2 was talking bout how the world losing sun light and its gone b other sun around the earth from alliens thats scary but i want to no about u guys im ok with it cus thats what i live for to find out new things man on sum real shit ill hold yall secreat man and im just a normal kid from the getto man tryna make it in this crazy world i jus wanted yall to no that i respect all forms of life man and that im willing to complete what ever mission is yall on yall can add me in only if its ok im right hear in south carolina man i go to centura college for medical look me up man im a nice guy and ptaah not to b rud but i bet u its sume nice gurls where u going back to jus playen but please add me in man i willing to face the future with u guys jus the 3 of us. my the god that made all things be with u and me peace my brothers <br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Kendrick, your quest to meet Ptaah or the other Plejarens is a noble request, but apparently it cannot be done, simply for the fact that only Eduard Meier represents humans on Earth. He is also spiritually evolved and a direct re-incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon, who created the Plejaren's ancestors many billions of years ago.<br />
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However, since you are black, you also have ancestors that came to Earth from the Sirius region, so in respect, have roots from an advanced human race! The world is crazy enough and would be advisable to stop smoking weed or taking any type of drugs to "escape" reality. The answers you seek are all within grasp, if you look inward into your intelligence and not depend on others to do so, it will only continue the path of servitude.<br />
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I do admit, interpertating BEAM's contact notes can be daunting, but it's a step in the right direction and soon enough, one will overcome the steep learning curve and begin to find the "connections" that lead you to the Awareness that overcomes all evil and destructive elements that have enslave us for so long. Use the Search function key to find answers to your concerns.<br />
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i belive. i would like to know more im very worry. but is there anyway i could join a group like Heidi and Bob and the small group gathered around them???? i live in the USA. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Nelram,<br />
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Join the irc chat or voice chat rooms, where you can meet others who share the same concerns as yourself. You can find the links on this website under the NEWS section, right under Billy's picture. Both chat rooms have capacity for inputting typed messages.<br />
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The Discussion Tabs are usually for comments directly related to the Contact Notes.<br />
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== Vibka Wallder said ... ==<br />
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Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
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Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
Salome,<br />
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The Sirians of today are not responsible for the actions that were done thousands of years ago by their ancestors. The genetic manipulation must be corrected by our scientists, through our own research.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)Hawaiian, if the Sirians of today are the reincarnations of the past spiritual personalities that were directly responsible, then they are the same spirits! What happened thousands of years ago are just the same as yesterday (spiritually speaking) Billy often quotes "Korrektieren" to "put right" again as the Plejarens are currently endeavored for their forefathers degenerative practices as well? The delimma between these two fashions that separated 1 billion years ago is the question why are both not evolved as the same level as the High Council, since evolution to that level requires 40-60 million years?<br />
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Could it be that because of such uncreation acts against fellow human beings (spirits evolution) and its negative connections accordingly to the Cause and Effect principle have some bearing on one's evolutionary attributes before one has the necessary frequency requirements of being "merged" into higher forms of spiritual evolution? True, our scientists may have the answers and because of the manipulations may also destroy themselves along with the rest trying to learn these lessons.<br />
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So, yes Earth humans are also in a dilemma of sorts, some of their own faults and some as the result of others, thus we and them are on different sides of a unique dimensional "equations" that "binds" these entities through space/time and it is through this "equational potentials" according to each particular attributes that will decide the outcome(s). Peace for all Beings/BEINGS<br />
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I agree Bigfoot if the Creator Overlords were able to manipulate our gene and make us more aggressive there should be a scientific way to change it. It may be a while because according to Billy and the prophets we will be at our peak during the 4th millenium. That is the time I think we might discover a scientific way or we just utilize our reasoning and stress patience and thinking before reacting so sporadically. We may overcome the gene altering by the CO's and find peace through other means. <br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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This is wonderful. Let it be so as it is fortold. May peace, harmony and love be to all <br />
precious people who put their effort for translating this important message to human being on earth.<br />
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Saloome.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Why do people try to think that the future holds the "key" of resolutions, when the present are here at hand, if only one utilizes your insight in order to "vibrate" the harmonic connections that resides in yourself? Bear in mind that one's spirit "inter connects" both the personalities and experiences regardless of time and space, so therefore even for events happening many millions of years ago, that spirit is still connected to these events.<br />
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So yes, negative and positive connections are still there and in many cases are inter connected to others that were influenced by this spirit(s) as well. Thus, in theory, any negative connections should have some bearing on that spirit's evolution as well, according to the Cause and Effect principle. A summary report has been forward to FIGU regarding this theory and the result will be forth coming...that will determine what direction further analysis will be attempted.<br />
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This is super interesting! I hope sometime soon I can get enough money to travel and hopefully visit the center. I read that the center only allows visitors with special permission. Hopefully soon I can receive such an invitation.<br />
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How confusing? How did the sirians created new humans? Its said they bred new humans? So did they themselves bred new humans? So the genetically-manipulated are sons of the creator overlords? They used their own biological children as warriors? <br />
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== Frankie22 said ... ==<br />
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it is quite frightening to think that there are other races just as barbaric as ourselves out there. It is also quite a disappointment to think that a human race that is only just beginning to develop is left undefended from the excesses of the few that are amongst us. Obviously Billies contacts are acting under a higher direction and there is to be another intervention of sorts, It is a shame higher entities fail in putting right a very ancient wrong, shame on them if they cannot act to bring further eduction at this time.<br />
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== Phyl said ... ==<br />
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Annihilation of mother earth and her inhabitants by these thoughtless 'trigger happy', 'spoilt brat' warmongering busybodies? .... AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! And please! do not paint all humanity with the same tar brush as these warmongerers...since your kiddies website indicates that there are over 8 billion humans on this planet, surely it's just a minute fraction of that amount who are causing all this trouble on earth. And further, just to let you know, we do have outside help (even if you don't believe it), especially with getting rid of these nuclear weapons and clearing out our skies of these awful chemtrails and especially in destroying and clearing out all of these Draco reptilians and their bases plus their nuclear generators. These good ETs/EDs are doing their very best in giving humanity a good chance of us making it to our 4th/5th dimensional destiny without being annihilated by these idiots, evolution you may call it? It will be a wonderment for all humanity to experience and behold! So for now, enough of this doom and gloom lets just live in the now. We are tough and hardy souls we have made is thus far and we will make it to the next only this time we will be freed from all tyranny and enslavement and become free willed spiritual human beings as it should be. <br />
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And as for these Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords perhaps it would be best if they would just move on, get over it or just as plainly...get another life! geez!<br />
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Yeah but Phyl, mankind needs guidance or else we will more easily press the nuclear trigger and reset our evolution level back a couple of hundred thousand years, again. You want us to have the best chance at making it without going through another global disaster don't you? Do you really think the "sudden dimensional shift ascension" theory is likely to be true? It wouldnt be a very logical feature of Creation if it were true. A gradual shift, similar to the rate of change seen in fauna and flora through normal evolution is more probable dont you think? The live once and go to heaven/hell theory of some of the Abrahamic religions is also similarly illogical because it would make our existence meaningless, without meaning. Since the laws of physics and nature are completely logical, illogical theories are therefore improbable (not very likely to be true). Some people say that the universe is an accident and we are an accident but thats just being stupid and ignorant. Dont you think?<br />
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When one truely understands the enormous potential that some selected Earthly humans have "built" up during many episodes of evil and negative interferences to their evolutionary development which often at the behest of ET's who should know better and equally so for those in power who stood by and did nothing to balance these forces, which are not at a very dangerous crossroads awaiting in much nervious anticipation on who will initiate the force which will indeed produce a counter-force which this DERN universe has never seen before!<br />
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Relate this to FIGU Special Bulletin 55 "So it comes that every region of the brain which is associated with healing thoughts and feelings is correspondingly stimulated as in the case with the DORMANT self destruct mechanisim which lies in wait for a SUITABLE opportunity. Therefore it is possible that NEGATIVE dark thoughts (Forces-telenotics) and feelings(Guilt) can kill a human being"<br />
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All it takes is to find a suitable "vehicle" human with the propper "connections" and provoke his/her with images of another suitable human in order to circumvent the time/space limitations so that no where in the universe is safe any more. These are things of great concern<br />
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Computer is behaving normally, corection on line 3 should be... which are at a very dangerous level...NOT....which are not at a very dangerous level.<br />
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Check out the episode when Billy and Semjase tried to influence a Mr. G.'s Subconscious and the serious feedback it created for reference, then go read the book written by Lyn Bachanam The Seventh Sense and how he too claimed his subconscious reacted to shut down the entire NATO and WARSAW PACT security computer systems.<br />
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There are other events which the Plejarens are silent about and good reasons for they too are threaten and their passive ways of doing things may prove their undoing.<br />
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== Phyl said ... ==<br />
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Over the course of time(earth time) billions of years things change, people change, planets change...we evolve in body, mind and soul. That is about to happen very soon to all humanity again, as we evolve into a higher state of mind, this planet is already in its 4th dimension. The last time this happened the Teutonic plates shifted and Atlantis and Lemuria went under, but this time we will all get a smooth ride for we have allies in our universe that will make sure that catastrophes on this scale never happen again. <br />
As for these negatives, they know their end time is here and they are at their utmost destructive, and oh yeah, they think they have this whole planet and its inhabitants at its mercy, have even fooled the majority on earth of this illusion...and they also know and have repeatedly been told this but have stubbornly refused to accept it - the universal rule: since they've have subjected this planet to such overwhelming negativity for thousands of years, the time has come for them to leave this planet and not return. And if they still refuse to leave then they will be forcibly removed.<br />
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Just for now these negatives control all the mainstream media in television, news papers etc...so you don't hear about how the ETs/EDs have disappeared these nukes that China, North Korea, Argentina, Israel, US, Russia and others have had in their possession, confiscated, even the nuclear submarine that was taken from Israel. You don't hear about in mainstream media how our skies are being cleared up of chemtrails all over this planet even the radiation is being clean up by Earth and her helpers the ETs/EDs. <br />
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Mainstream media won't tell you that for thousands of years, thousands of Draco Hydra reptilians have lived underground on this planet for the sole purpose of using humans as food. and they certainly won't tell you that the Procyon people of the Andromeda Council have now basically cleared out all of these reptilian bases and have removed these creatures from this planet to the furtherest rim of the universe never to return to earth. The last place they (Procyon people) cleared out had 30 nuclear generators, which was a lucky thing they were still intact when they were found, because a small earthquake was used to take the whole base off its legs and then the Andromeda stealth force took out the whole reptilian population including the big guns at the top. If you want to know the whole story just lookup andromedacouncil.com. And the other info is from johnkettler.com and also the silverlegion.org is another fascinating listen to- a whole universal of humans and creatures coming together to help fight for this planet earth and her inhabitants, yeah right on brothers and sisters, and you know the funny thing is? is that we are all from the same source...every single living thing in this universe and many, many, many infinity times universes are all from the same source, you can call it god, prime creator, whatever, we are all from that same source. <br />
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The Pleiadian Message - A Wake UP Call For The Family Of Light<br />
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There are multitude of cultures & societies that exist throughout the vastness of space, and these societies & cultures have been on and off this planet from the very beginning. It is not just that we the Pleiadian have come to assist. We are only one grouping from one star system There are many who have journeyed here for many reasons. The majority of the extraterrestials are here for your upliftment. Though there are also those who are here for other reasons.<br />
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We give our version of things only to bring you into higher consciousness. We do not wish to say that this version and only this version is how it is. This whole teaching is designed for the great purpose in mind. and the stories that we tell you are setup to take you to a higher plane of consciousness, that is our intention.<br />
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You are magnificent beings members of the family of Light. And you come to earth at this time on assignment to create a shift, to make a change, to assist in the transition.<br />
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You were told before you came here that there would be much assistance at different junctures and at your development different entities would present themselves upon the planet in different capacities to trigger you, fire you up, and to remind you, not for us to do it for you. We are one of those triggers, a Catalyst. When you hear the name Pleiadians you feel a connection because we are assisting you in bringing your own information, your own knowing, forward. You, yourself, chose to be here, you are on assignment to bring memory forward and to bring the value of human existence back to the forefront of Creation, you are needed.<br />
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You have been in training for this assignment for lifetimes. and you did not come unprepared. All that you need to know now is inside of you and it is your task to remember your training. This is not a lifetime when you are going to be taught new information. As we said before, this is the lifetime when you are going to remember what you already know and we are just here to remind you of it, That is part of our assignment. Humanity is an experiment, humanity has been designed as has just about everything else that exist within creation.<br />
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Prime Creator began experimenting with creation a long time ago in this universe for the purpose of greater self exploration, self gratification and self expression<br />
Prime Creator brought energies and essences of light, extensions of itself into this universe and endowed those extensions with the gifts that it had<br />
Prime Creator said to these extensions of itself "Go out and create and bring all things back to me"<br />
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Earth was a beautiful place, located on the fringes on one of the galactic systems and easily reached from other galaxies. It was close to many way portals, the highway that exists for energies to travel throughout space. Some of the creator gods were Master Geneticists. The Master Geneticists designed various species, some human, some animal by playing with the varieties of DNA that the Entities of this information contributed to make Earth into this exchange center of information, this Life Centre this Living Library.<br />
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The original planners of Earth were members of the family of Light, beings who worked for and were associated with the aspect of consciousness called Light. They designed a place where galaxies would contribute their information and where all would be able to participate and share this specific knowledge. Earth was to be a Cosmic Library, a place of incredible beauty that experimented with how information could be stored through frequencies and through the genetic process.<br />
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The project of the Living Library on earth was eventually fought over. During earth's early history there were wars in space for ownership of this planet, skirmishes took place and earth became place of duality. Certain creator gods who had the right to do whatever they wanted, because earth is a freewill zone, came in and took over.<br />
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When the skirmish occurred a certain group of entities fought in space and won the territory of earth. These new owners did not want the native earth species, the humans to be informed of what took place. Uninformed, the species would be easier to control. That is why Light is information and Darkness is lack of information. These entities beat out Light and earth became their territory.<br />
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These new owners who came here 300 thousand years ago, are the magnificent beings spoken of in your bible. In the Babylonian and Sumerian tablets and in text all over the world. They came to earth and rearranged the native human species. They rearranged your DNA in order to have you broadcast within a certain limited frequency band, whose frequency could feed them and keep them in power. They worked in their laboratories and created versions of humans with a different DNA - the two stranded double-helix DNA. The original DNA pattern was left within the human cells, yet it was not functional, it was split apart, unplugged.<br />
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We, us Pleiadians, came back through time, into what would perhaps be called our past, we came back in order to share a frequency with you, a frequency that each one of you has agreed to carry on this planet in order to change the DNA of the rearranged human race. Earth is assisting in its own way the evolution of the universe. It is where the plan begins to blossom and what happens on earth is going to effect many, many worlds.<br />
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The creator gods, who have been ruling this planet, had the ability to become physical though mostly they exist in other dimensions. They keep earth in a certain vibrational frequency while they create emotional trauma to nourish themselves. There are some beings who honour life before everything else, and there are also beings who do not honour life, do not understand their connection to it.<br />
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Who are these beings who came in and asunder to the original plans to earth? Who are these space beings, we sometimes refer to as the 'dark t-shirts'? These space beings are part human and part reptilian. We call them 'the Lizzies', because we like to make things a little less emotional, a little humorous, so that you don't take them so seriously and get so upset. We are not here to frighten you, we are here to inform you. They have fed off your emotions. <br />
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One of the big secrets that has been kept from you as a species, is the richness and wealth that accompanies emotion. You have been steered away from exploring emotion, because through emotion you can figure things out. Your emotions connects you with the spiritual body, the spiritual body of course is non physical, existing on the multi-dimensional sphere.<br />
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Why are we telling you all this? Why do you need to know it? You need to know it because the living reality is re entering and merging with your dimension.<br />
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As you awaken to your history you will begin to open your ancient eyes, these are the eyes of Horus, which see not through the eyes of a human being, but from the point of view of a God. They see the connectedness and the purpose of all things, for the ancient eyes are able to see into many realities and to connect the whole picture...the whole history. All of this is to be felt, allow your brain cells to click into being without your rational conscious mind wanting to define things down to the most minute detail. This experience involves raising a feeling inside yourself and then, one day, at one moment, in one afternoon having overwhelming sense of knowing, having a composition of a thousand pages long come alive in 5 seconds... a divine ecstasy!<br />
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Before you came into the body, all of you committed to the designing events that would fire your codings or blue-prints that would activate your memories, then you came into the body and you forgot. All of you have had your blue prints and codings fired to some extent because you understand that there is a divine purpose or a divine plan that you are a part of. You hold the history of the universe within your physical body. What is occurring upon the planet now is the literal mutation of your physical body for you are allowing it to be evolved to a point or it will be a computer that can house this information.<br />
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The firing of the codings and the realisation of your identity are going to become phenomenally intense, the reason for this is the evolving DNA. When you have 12 helix-es of DNA in place those helix-es will begin to plug into the 12 helix-es system. The 12 helix-es are vortex centers loaded with information that you must be able to translate. You have to become super beings in whatever reality you enter because as members of the family of Light, the branch of renegades, this is your forte.<br />
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As a member of the family of Light you know the inside scoop, you come as ambassadors to make realities merge and become more informed within themselves so that everyone involved can release fear and become uninhibited. As you grow and come to these higher realms of recognition you will break through what feels like cement blocks, layers of yourself that had held you down.<br />
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Think of the frequency that has limited the human experiment as a radio station, the human experiment has had one radio station on for 300 thousand years, same old tunes, the human experiment was unable to turn the dial and hear a different band, so the same frequency was broadcast, this created a quarantine 'a feeling off' of this planet. <br />
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The creative cosmic rays sent by Prime Creator and the original planners pierce through this frequency shield. They bombard earth, however, they must have someone to receive them. Without a receptacle these creative cosmic rays would create chaos and confusion. You as members of the family of Light come into this system to receive these rays of knowledge. You then disseminate the knowledge of the new life style and the new frequency to the rest of the population to alter the entire planet. <br />
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The ultimate tyranny in this society is not controlled by marshal law. It is controlled by the psychological manipulation of consciousness through which reality is defied so that those who exist within it do not even realise that they are in prison, they do not even realise that there is something outside of where they exist. We represent what is outside of what you have been taught exists. It is where you sometime venture and where we want you to dwell, it is outside of where society has told you can live.<br />
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What we want more than anything else is to assist you, as members of the family of Light to succeed in liberating the humans. Focus on the dance of yourself. To what tune will you dance and to what magic will you perform and to what heights will you be willing to push conscienceness to give it a new definition of possibilities. Members of the bringers of the dawn or family of Light work in teams, you don't go into systems alone you need each other to do this work because you cannot hold the frequency by yourself.<br />
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By going in as teams you increase the odds of successfully carrying out the plan. You are like rays and like spirals of the central sun that are very intelligent and you are guided by a great intelligence inside the central sun. The members of the family of Light are much more than human. Characteristically you are supreme achievers in the multi-dimensional realm. One applies for a position in the multi-dimensional realm as a member of the family of Light. If you were to have a business card printed up for yourselves when you are in full memory of your identity, it would say something like: "Renegade Member of Family Of Light - Systems Buster - Available for altering systems of conscienceness within the free world universe - On Call !<br />
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We speak to you as if you are not human, because to us you are not. To us you are members of the family of Light whom we know your multi-dimensional selves. We speak to you about dealing with humans because it is your assignment to integrate with them, soothe them and awaken a spark of Light within them so that they are not all destroyed as with that this place can house a new species and a new realm of activity.<br />
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Our final words including thank you to all of you who recognise the Light source that is a part of your identity and that moves you to follow the silent whisperers that echoes down the golden spiral to the corridors of your own being, We honour you, We recognise you and we are here to assist you. We are all here at the family of Light to bring that choice and that freedom to evolve back on to this planet<br />
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Family of Light WAKE UP !!!<br />
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--[[User:Phyl|Phyl]] 04:57, 22 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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You're f@#king NUTS, there is no such thing as reptillians or ET underground bases (already verified by Billy himself they do not exist) and besides the destruction of Mu was done by the Atlanits people using ray beam weapons and their city Atlantis was in turn destroyed by Mu scientists who steered a giant asteroid that exploded over Atlantis and destroyed it, this is also verified by Contact Report 251. It was not destroyed in your distorted and delusional mind by some Earthly tectonic plate movements.<br />
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So do yourself a favor and stop posting distorted ideas which only makes sense to those who don't take their medications or those who require psychoic treatment.<br />
<br />
Creational laws are very similar to mathematical equations although in substance, much more complex because of the 7 senses, psyche, interdimensional, time/space, material and non-material interchanges and other revelant attributes including the spirit, material conscious, subconscious and to a very fine unconscious spiritual consciousness. Both equations will function even if not all the parameters are precisely aligned, but their desired functionality will be somewhat distorted and the reason why there are so much variations between different spiritual as well as material development amongst living beings.<br />
<br />
However, each and every one is connected somewhere, because just the thought of creation links those that emerge from its UR which also links the original thought of creation to its evolutionary spiritual development from a material being to Being to BEING and so forth.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:46, 22 April 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_251&diff=18442Talk:Contact Report 2512012-04-21T23:01:25Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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<div>[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)where did it go?<br />
<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I believe there is an updated Contact note to further clarify the bio-genetic androids, both living and deceased regarding the Roswell/Area 51 incident.<br />
<br />
Contact Note 251 is one of the most important historical/genealogy bodies of facts concerning not only Earth humans, but all the other physical parties as well to include the Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords and their counter parts, Plejarens and others. So much information is presented, that it would be very helpful and more effective if some diagrams to represent these events are made showing the chronological along with Cause and Affect results.<br />
<br />
Then, it would also be very helpful to include some footnotes to indicate further analysis is warranted on passages that have been updated before it was printed. It’s a daunting task to incorporate these events for those not familiar with BEAM’s mission, as well as those familiar with it.<br />
<br />
The more one becomes versed of the various Contact Notes, the more one “sees” the inter-connections amongst it, because they are merging into a more “condensed” factor in which words become more clumberson in realizing what “Awareness” is all about. This is evolution within the boundaries of the Sevenfold Laws of Creation between the BEING and Being, symbols are representations of condensed words and/or thoughts, a much more effective way of communicating.<br />
== kendrick said ... ==<br />
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a man not trying to b rud man but i need to get up with yall man i dont no u billy and i dont no u ptaah but im asumming that u is from a nother planet(ptaah) i dont no where from but i jus wonted u 2 to no man i really beleave every thing u 2 is talking bout i dont no if u will get this but i want to no more about the planet u from and billy im jus 22 years old man and my mine is blon away cuz every sence i was a younger boy i wanted to no about life and other planets and people and now i have the chance man yall life is so fucked up haer man to its not funny for real like i cant tell yall how much i try to find informtion about alliens and i dont call them alliens cus they smarter then us if any thing we the alliens but ptaah man i stay heaar in south carolina and im n school im going for medical assisting cus i have a lil boy he is 5 mouths old nw and i lovve him so much. sorry for my bad words but i want to no so bad about u guys man its killing me to find out new things about life and i have to say it u 2 are smart is shit man im black and native not saying im not but the things u 2 talk about is some for real shit if u 2 want me to keep it a secreat i will i jus wish i could meet u 2 or atless b a frind im not the type to lie or still im on earth with a clean record im a good kid i must say yea i have a problem i smoke weed man not bad i jus do some time stress do it to u but man i dont no who yall is but im dieng to meet u man an ptaah u said u was leaving earth dame that sound crazy but i beleave u cus u never no what life hold but u is a bright person allien or not and u to billy i no im writing run alongs but jus feel me out im the youngest of four man and im jus hear on earth trying yall its real hard out hear for blacks such as my self but man i'd love to meet yall man and the others that came from the p planit cant spell the word but im guessing yall no what i mean billy u is the 6 person to meet with them and i want to b the 7 man im jus inlighted off of what im reading in u and ptaah writings i dnt no if he gone yet but if not man i want to c yall man for real i can b by my self when it happen no camers or nothen i can have sumthen to remember man cus all humans want to no is if there really is a god and alliens i beleave in both cus look how the human body is made thats a lot to creat and for a nother type of life to b out there it have to b a god but to keep it short yall i really want to meet yall u 2 or smart is shit excuss my bad words but dame the things u 2 was talking bout how the world losing sun light and its gone b other sun around the earth from alliens thats scary but i want to no about u guys im ok with it cus thats what i live for to find out new things man on sum real shit ill hold yall secreat man and im just a normal kid from the getto man tryna make it in this crazy world i jus wanted yall to no that i respect all forms of life man and that im willing to complete what ever mission is yall on yall can add me in only if its ok im right hear in south carolina man i go to centura college for medical look me up man im a nice guy and ptaah not to b rud but i bet u its sume nice gurls where u going back to jus playen but please add me in man i willing to face the future with u guys jus the 3 of us. my the god that made all things be with u and me peace my brothers <br />
<br />
--kendrick 00:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Kendrick, your quest to meet Ptaah or the other Plejarens is a noble request, but apparently it cannot be done, simply for the fact that only Eduard Meier represents humans on Earth. He is also spiritually evolved and a direct re-incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon, who created the Plejaren's ancestors many billions of years ago.<br />
<br />
However, since you are black, you also have ancestors that came to Earth from the Sirius region, so in respect, have roots from an advanced human race! The world is crazy enough and would be advisable to stop smoking weed or taking any type of drugs to "escape" reality. The answers you seek are all within grasp, if you look inward into your intelligence and not depend on others to do so, it will only continue the path of servitude.<br />
<br />
I do admit, interpertating BEAM's contact notes can be daunting, but it's a step in the right direction and soon enough, one will overcome the steep learning curve and begin to find the "connections" that lead you to the Awareness that overcomes all evil and destructive elements that have enslave us for so long. Use the Search function key to find answers to your concerns.<br />
== Nelram said ... ==<br />
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i belive. i would like to know more im very worry. but is there anyway i could join a group like Heidi and Bob and the small group gathered around them???? i live in the USA. <br />
<br />
--Nelram 15:35, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Nelram,<br />
<br />
Join the irc chat or voice chat rooms, where you can meet others who share the same concerns as yourself. You can find the links on this website under the NEWS section, right under Billy's picture. Both chat rooms have capacity for inputting typed messages.<br />
<br />
The Discussion Tabs are usually for comments directly related to the Contact Notes.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 23:15, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Vibka Wallder said ... ==<br />
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<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
Salome,<br />
Vibka<br />
<br />
--Vibka Wallder 08:37, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Vibka Wallder said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
Salome,<br />
Vibka<br />
<br />
--Vibka Wallder 08:38, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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The Sirians of today are not responsible for the actions that were done thousands of years ago by their ancestors. The genetic manipulation must be corrected by our scientists, through our own research.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 07:09, 4 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)Hawaiian, if the Sirians of today are the reincarnations of the past spiritual personalities that were directly responsible, then they are the same spirits! What happened thousands of years ago are just the same as yesterday (spiritually speaking) Billy often quotes "Korrektieren" to "put right" again as the Plejarens are currently endeavored for their forefathers degenerative practices as well? The delimma between these two fashions that separated 1 billion years ago is the question why are both not evolved as the same level as the High Council, since evolution to that level requires 40-60 million years?<br />
<br />
Could it be that because of such uncreation acts against fellow human beings (spirits evolution) and its negative connections accordingly to the Cause and Effect principle have some bearing on one's evolutionary attributes before one has the necessary frequency requirements of being "merged" into higher forms of spiritual evolution? True, our scientists may have the answers and because of the manipulations may also destroy themselves along with the rest trying to learn these lessons.<br />
<br />
So, yes Earth humans are also in a dilemma of sorts, some of their own faults and some as the result of others, thus we and them are on different sides of a unique dimensional "equations" that "binds" these entities through space/time and it is through this "equational potentials" according to each particular attributes that will decide the outcome(s). Peace for all Beings/BEINGS<br />
<br />
Hawaiian<br />
Because if one is<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I agree Bigfoot if the Creator Overlords were able to manipulate our gene and make us more aggressive there should be a scientific way to change it. It may be a while because according to Billy and the prophets we will be at our peak during the 4th millenium. That is the time I think we might discover a scientific way or we just utilize our reasoning and stress patience and thinking before reacting so sporadically. We may overcome the gene altering by the CO's and find peace through other means. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 13:05, 4 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
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This is wonderful. Let it be so as it is fortold. May peace, harmony and love be to all <br />
precious people who put their effort for translating this important message to human being on earth.<br />
<br />
Saloome.<br />
<br />
<br />
--alexander awadzi 19:39, 12 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Why do people try to think that the future holds the "key" of resolutions, when the present are here at hand, if only one utilizes your insight in order to "vibrate" the harmonic connections that resides in yourself? Bear in mind that one's spirit "inter connects" both the personalities and experiences regardless of time and space, so therefore even for events happening many millions of years ago, that spirit is still connected to these events.<br />
<br />
So yes, negative and positive connections are still there and in many cases are inter connected to others that were influenced by this spirit(s) as well. Thus, in theory, any negative connections should have some bearing on that spirit's evolution as well, according to the Cause and Effect principle. A summary report has been forward to FIGU regarding this theory and the result will be forth coming...that will determine what direction further analysis will be attempted.<br />
== Tyler said ... ==<br />
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This is super interesting! I hope sometime soon I can get enough money to travel and hopefully visit the center. I read that the center only allows visitors with special permission. Hopefully soon I can receive such an invitation.<br />
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--[[User:Tyler|Tyler]] 09:27, 26 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== TheUFOGuy said ... ==<br />
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How confusing? How did the sirians created new humans? Its said they bred new humans? So did they themselves bred new humans? So the genetically-manipulated are sons of the creator overlords? They used their own biological children as warriors? <br />
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--[[User:TheUFOGuy|TheUFOGuy]] 07:10, 18 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Frankie22 said ... ==<br />
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it is quite frightening to think that there are other races just as barbaric as ourselves out there. It is also quite a disappointment to think that a human race that is only just beginning to develop is left undefended from the excesses of the few that are amongst us. Obviously Billies contacts are acting under a higher direction and there is to be another intervention of sorts, It is a shame higher entities fail in putting right a very ancient wrong, shame on them if they cannot act to bring further eduction at this time.<br />
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--[[User:Frankie22|Frankie22]] 23:07, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Phyl said ... ==<br />
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Annihilation of mother earth and her inhabitants by these thoughtless 'trigger happy', 'spoilt brat' warmongering busybodies? .... AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! And please! do not paint all humanity with the same tar brush as these warmongerers...since your kiddies website indicates that there are over 8 billion humans on this planet, surely it's just a minute fraction of that amount who are causing all this trouble on earth. And further, just to let you know, we do have outside help (even if you don't believe it), especially with getting rid of these nuclear weapons and clearing out our skies of these awful chemtrails and especially in destroying and clearing out all of these Draco reptilians and their bases plus their nuclear generators. These good ETs/EDs are doing their very best in giving humanity a good chance of us making it to our 4th/5th dimensional destiny without being annihilated by these idiots, evolution you may call it? It will be a wonderment for all humanity to experience and behold! So for now, enough of this doom and gloom lets just live in the now. We are tough and hardy souls we have made is thus far and we will make it to the next only this time we will be freed from all tyranny and enslavement and become free willed spiritual human beings as it should be. <br />
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--[[User:Phyl|Phyl]] 02:30, 21 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Phyl said ... ==<br />
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And as for these Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords perhaps it would be best if they would just move on, get over it or just as plainly...get another life! geez!<br />
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--[[User:Phyl|Phyl]] 02:50, 21 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Yeah but Phyl, mankind needs guidance or else we will more easily press the nuclear trigger and reset our evolution level back a couple of hundred thousand years, again. You want us to have the best chance at making it without going through another global disaster don't you? Do you really think the "sudden dimensional shift ascension" theory is likely to be true? It wouldnt be a very logical feature of Creation if it were true. A gradual shift, similar to the rate of change seen in fauna and flora through normal evolution is more probable dont you think? The live once and go to heaven/hell theory of some of the Abrahamic religions is also similarly illogical because it would make our existence meaningless, without meaning. Since the laws of physics and nature are completely logical, illogical theories are therefore improbable (not very likely to be true). Some people say that the universe is an accident and we are an accident but thats just being stupid and ignorant. Dont you think?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 23:43, 21 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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When one truely understands the enormous potential that some selected Earthly humans have "built" up during many episodes of evil and negative interferences to their evolutionary development which often at the behest of ET's who should know better and equally so for those in power who stood by and did nothing to balance these forces, which are not at a very dangerous crossroads awaiting in much nervious anticipation on who will initiate the force which will indeed produce a counter-force which this DERN universe has never seen before!<br />
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Relate this to FIGU Special Bulletin 55 "So it comes that every region of the brain which is associated with healing thoughts and feelings is correspondingly stimulated as in the case with the DORMANT self destruct mechanisim which lies in wait for a SUITABLE opportunity. Therefore it is possible that NEGATIVE dark thoughts (Forces-telenotics) and feelings(Guilt) can kill a human being"<br />
<br />
All it takes is to find a suitable "vehicle" human with the propper "connections" and provoke his/her with images of another suitable human in order to circumvent the time/space limitations so that no where in the universe is safe any more. These are things of great concern<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 23:50, 21 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Computer is behaving normally, corection on line 3 should be... which are at a very dangerous level...NOT....which are not at a very dangerous level.<br />
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Check out the episode when Billy and Semjase tried to influence a Mr. G.'s Subconscious and the serious feedback it created for reference, then go read the book written by Lyn Bachanam The Seventh Sense and how he too claimed his subconscious reacted to shut down the entire NATO and WARSAW PACT security computer systems.<br />
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There are other events which the Plejarens are silent about and good reasons for they too are threaten and their passive ways of doing things may prove their undoing.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:01, 22 April 2012 (BST)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_251&diff=18441Talk:Contact Report 2512012-04-21T22:50:49Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
<hr />
<div>[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 04:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)where did it go?<br />
<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I believe there is an updated Contact note to further clarify the bio-genetic androids, both living and deceased regarding the Roswell/Area 51 incident.<br />
<br />
Contact Note 251 is one of the most important historical/genealogy bodies of facts concerning not only Earth humans, but all the other physical parties as well to include the Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords and their counter parts, Plejarens and others. So much information is presented, that it would be very helpful and more effective if some diagrams to represent these events are made showing the chronological along with Cause and Affect results.<br />
<br />
Then, it would also be very helpful to include some footnotes to indicate further analysis is warranted on passages that have been updated before it was printed. It’s a daunting task to incorporate these events for those not familiar with BEAM’s mission, as well as those familiar with it.<br />
<br />
The more one becomes versed of the various Contact Notes, the more one “sees” the inter-connections amongst it, because they are merging into a more “condensed” factor in which words become more clumberson in realizing what “Awareness” is all about. This is evolution within the boundaries of the Sevenfold Laws of Creation between the BEING and Being, symbols are representations of condensed words and/or thoughts, a much more effective way of communicating.<br />
== kendrick said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
a man not trying to b rud man but i need to get up with yall man i dont no u billy and i dont no u ptaah but im asumming that u is from a nother planet(ptaah) i dont no where from but i jus wonted u 2 to no man i really beleave every thing u 2 is talking bout i dont no if u will get this but i want to no more about the planet u from and billy im jus 22 years old man and my mine is blon away cuz every sence i was a younger boy i wanted to no about life and other planets and people and now i have the chance man yall life is so fucked up haer man to its not funny for real like i cant tell yall how much i try to find informtion about alliens and i dont call them alliens cus they smarter then us if any thing we the alliens but ptaah man i stay heaar in south carolina and im n school im going for medical assisting cus i have a lil boy he is 5 mouths old nw and i lovve him so much. sorry for my bad words but i want to no so bad about u guys man its killing me to find out new things about life and i have to say it u 2 are smart is shit man im black and native not saying im not but the things u 2 talk about is some for real shit if u 2 want me to keep it a secreat i will i jus wish i could meet u 2 or atless b a frind im not the type to lie or still im on earth with a clean record im a good kid i must say yea i have a problem i smoke weed man not bad i jus do some time stress do it to u but man i dont no who yall is but im dieng to meet u man an ptaah u said u was leaving earth dame that sound crazy but i beleave u cus u never no what life hold but u is a bright person allien or not and u to billy i no im writing run alongs but jus feel me out im the youngest of four man and im jus hear on earth trying yall its real hard out hear for blacks such as my self but man i'd love to meet yall man and the others that came from the p planit cant spell the word but im guessing yall no what i mean billy u is the 6 person to meet with them and i want to b the 7 man im jus inlighted off of what im reading in u and ptaah writings i dnt no if he gone yet but if not man i want to c yall man for real i can b by my self when it happen no camers or nothen i can have sumthen to remember man cus all humans want to no is if there really is a god and alliens i beleave in both cus look how the human body is made thats a lot to creat and for a nother type of life to b out there it have to b a god but to keep it short yall i really want to meet yall u 2 or smart is shit excuss my bad words but dame the things u 2 was talking bout how the world losing sun light and its gone b other sun around the earth from alliens thats scary but i want to no about u guys im ok with it cus thats what i live for to find out new things man on sum real shit ill hold yall secreat man and im just a normal kid from the getto man tryna make it in this crazy world i jus wanted yall to no that i respect all forms of life man and that im willing to complete what ever mission is yall on yall can add me in only if its ok im right hear in south carolina man i go to centura college for medical look me up man im a nice guy and ptaah not to b rud but i bet u its sume nice gurls where u going back to jus playen but please add me in man i willing to face the future with u guys jus the 3 of us. my the god that made all things be with u and me peace my brothers <br />
<br />
--kendrick 00:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Kendrick, your quest to meet Ptaah or the other Plejarens is a noble request, but apparently it cannot be done, simply for the fact that only Eduard Meier represents humans on Earth. He is also spiritually evolved and a direct re-incarnated spirit of Nokodemjon, who created the Plejaren's ancestors many billions of years ago.<br />
<br />
However, since you are black, you also have ancestors that came to Earth from the Sirius region, so in respect, have roots from an advanced human race! The world is crazy enough and would be advisable to stop smoking weed or taking any type of drugs to "escape" reality. The answers you seek are all within grasp, if you look inward into your intelligence and not depend on others to do so, it will only continue the path of servitude.<br />
<br />
I do admit, interpertating BEAM's contact notes can be daunting, but it's a step in the right direction and soon enough, one will overcome the steep learning curve and begin to find the "connections" that lead you to the Awareness that overcomes all evil and destructive elements that have enslave us for so long. Use the Search function key to find answers to your concerns.<br />
== Nelram said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
i belive. i would like to know more im very worry. but is there anyway i could join a group like Heidi and Bob and the small group gathered around them???? i live in the USA. <br />
<br />
--Nelram 15:35, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Nelram,<br />
<br />
Join the irc chat or voice chat rooms, where you can meet others who share the same concerns as yourself. You can find the links on this website under the NEWS section, right under Billy's picture. Both chat rooms have capacity for inputting typed messages.<br />
<br />
The Discussion Tabs are usually for comments directly related to the Contact Notes.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 23:15, 21 May 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Vibka Wallder said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
Salome,<br />
Vibka<br />
<br />
--Vibka Wallder 08:37, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Vibka Wallder said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Where is the German original? Would be good to have them side by side.<br />
Salome,<br />
Vibka<br />
<br />
--Vibka Wallder 08:38, 3 July 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The Sirians of today are not responsible for the actions that were done thousands of years ago by their ancestors. The genetic manipulation must be corrected by our scientists, through our own research.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 07:09, 4 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
<br />
[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)Hawaiian, if the Sirians of today are the reincarnations of the past spiritual personalities that were directly responsible, then they are the same spirits! What happened thousands of years ago are just the same as yesterday (spiritually speaking) Billy often quotes "Korrektieren" to "put right" again as the Plejarens are currently endeavored for their forefathers degenerative practices as well? The delimma between these two fashions that separated 1 billion years ago is the question why are both not evolved as the same level as the High Council, since evolution to that level requires 40-60 million years?<br />
<br />
Could it be that because of such uncreation acts against fellow human beings (spirits evolution) and its negative connections accordingly to the Cause and Effect principle have some bearing on one's evolutionary attributes before one has the necessary frequency requirements of being "merged" into higher forms of spiritual evolution? True, our scientists may have the answers and because of the manipulations may also destroy themselves along with the rest trying to learn these lessons.<br />
<br />
So, yes Earth humans are also in a dilemma of sorts, some of their own faults and some as the result of others, thus we and them are on different sides of a unique dimensional "equations" that "binds" these entities through space/time and it is through this "equational potentials" according to each particular attributes that will decide the outcome(s). Peace for all Beings/BEINGS<br />
<br />
Hawaiian<br />
Because if one is<br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I agree Bigfoot if the Creator Overlords were able to manipulate our gene and make us more aggressive there should be a scientific way to change it. It may be a while because according to Billy and the prophets we will be at our peak during the 4th millenium. That is the time I think we might discover a scientific way or we just utilize our reasoning and stress patience and thinking before reacting so sporadically. We may overcome the gene altering by the CO's and find peace through other means. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Markvd|Markvd]] 13:05, 4 August 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== alexander awadzi said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
This is wonderful. Let it be so as it is fortold. May peace, harmony and love be to all <br />
precious people who put their effort for translating this important message to human being on earth.<br />
<br />
Saloome.<br />
<br />
<br />
--alexander awadzi 19:39, 12 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 19:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Why do people try to think that the future holds the "key" of resolutions, when the present are here at hand, if only one utilizes your insight in order to "vibrate" the harmonic connections that resides in yourself? Bear in mind that one's spirit "inter connects" both the personalities and experiences regardless of time and space, so therefore even for events happening many millions of years ago, that spirit is still connected to these events.<br />
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So yes, negative and positive connections are still there and in many cases are inter connected to others that were influenced by this spirit(s) as well. Thus, in theory, any negative connections should have some bearing on that spirit's evolution as well, according to the Cause and Effect principle. A summary report has been forward to FIGU regarding this theory and the result will be forth coming...that will determine what direction further analysis will be attempted.<br />
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This is super interesting! I hope sometime soon I can get enough money to travel and hopefully visit the center. I read that the center only allows visitors with special permission. Hopefully soon I can receive such an invitation.<br />
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How confusing? How did the sirians created new humans? Its said they bred new humans? So did they themselves bred new humans? So the genetically-manipulated are sons of the creator overlords? They used their own biological children as warriors? <br />
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it is quite frightening to think that there are other races just as barbaric as ourselves out there. It is also quite a disappointment to think that a human race that is only just beginning to develop is left undefended from the excesses of the few that are amongst us. Obviously Billies contacts are acting under a higher direction and there is to be another intervention of sorts, It is a shame higher entities fail in putting right a very ancient wrong, shame on them if they cannot act to bring further eduction at this time.<br />
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Annihilation of mother earth and her inhabitants by these thoughtless 'trigger happy', 'spoilt brat' warmongering busybodies? .... AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! And please! do not paint all humanity with the same tar brush as these warmongerers...since your kiddies website indicates that there are over 8 billion humans on this planet, surely it's just a minute fraction of that amount who are causing all this trouble on earth. And further, just to let you know, we do have outside help (even if you don't believe it), especially with getting rid of these nuclear weapons and clearing out our skies of these awful chemtrails and especially in destroying and clearing out all of these Draco reptilians and their bases plus their nuclear generators. These good ETs/EDs are doing their very best in giving humanity a good chance of us making it to our 4th/5th dimensional destiny without being annihilated by these idiots, evolution you may call it? It will be a wonderment for all humanity to experience and behold! So for now, enough of this doom and gloom lets just live in the now. We are tough and hardy souls we have made is thus far and we will make it to the next only this time we will be freed from all tyranny and enslavement and become free willed spiritual human beings as it should be. <br />
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And as for these Old Lyrians, Creator Overlords perhaps it would be best if they would just move on, get over it or just as plainly...get another life! geez!<br />
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Yeah but Phyl, mankind needs guidance or else we will more easily press the nuclear trigger and reset our evolution level back a couple of hundred thousand years, again. You want us to have the best chance at making it without going through another global disaster don't you? Do you really think the "sudden dimensional shift ascension" theory is likely to be true? It wouldnt be a very logical feature of Creation if it were true. A gradual shift, similar to the rate of change seen in fauna and flora through normal evolution is more probable dont you think? The live once and go to heaven/hell theory of some of the Abrahamic religions is also similarly illogical because it would make our existence meaningless, without meaning. Since the laws of physics and nature are completely logical, illogical theories are therefore improbable (not very likely to be true). Some people say that the universe is an accident and we are an accident but thats just being stupid and ignorant. Dont you think?<br />
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When one truely understands the enormous potential that some selected Earthly humans have "built" up during many episodes of evil and negative interferences to their evolutionary development which often at the behest of ET's who should know better and equally so for those in power who stood by and did nothing to balance these forces, which are not at a very dangerous crossroads awaiting in much nervious anticipation on who will initiate the force which will indeed produce a counter-force which this DERN universe has never seen before!<br />
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Relate this to FIGU Special Bulletin 55 "So it comes that every region of the brain which is associated with healing thoughts and feelings is correspondingly stimulated as in the case with the DORMANT self destruct mechanisim which lies in wait for a SUITABLE opportunity. Therefore it is possible that NEGATIVE dark thoughts (Forces-telenotics) and feelings(Guilt) can kill a human being"<br />
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All it takes is to find a suitable "vehicle" human with the propper "connections" and provoke his/her with images of another suitable human in order to circumvent the time/space limitations so that no where in the universe is safe any more. These are things of great concern<br />
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A lot of people in my family dye their hair, I just think it's a waste of time. I guess it's an image consciousness eveolution of hair development. :) I once shaved as close to my head as possible just so I wouldn't have to spend hours trying to perfect hair style, but the cold weather has somehow forced me to grow my hair once again, I find a little white hairs here and there but I just think of them as advanced receptors that are near there end dangling on my head. I think that's why I notice that people that dye there hair tend to be very aggressive. I don't know if it's the cancer or pain they might feel but there are just so many unnatural products in our civilization. Everyone wants to strike it rich rather than preserving all of mankind and reach a higher evolution of thought where all can succeed. <br />
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hmmm although I don't dye my blonde hair, it is extremely slow growing and wonder whether this inhibits my ability to sense or anything. Now if only I had the answer to make it grow faster!!<br />
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If a time machine is developed your hair will amaze you how far it's grown in let's say 5 years without trimming. :) Directed towards Cat. <br />
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First I want to congratulate Vibka Wallder for her innovative literary contribution to enlighten Earth human life forms on the topic of hair.<br />
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Second I also want to congratulate Vibka Wallder for her profound courage to highlight the topic of pubic hair removal using mister Billy's informations about this.<br />
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Third I want to give some opinions concerning the pubic hair:<br />
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- The most important reason of pubic hair removal is aesthetical reason. This is the reason that has been moving prostitutes and porn actresses to shave their pubic hair, and it will be the reason for many millenia to come.<br />
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- Pubic hair removal is not an islamic custom. I have intermingled with many moslem women. Only afew of them have shaven twats.<br />
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- A simple hightech underwear provides much better protection than even then most complex pubic hair system. Theoritically anyone who has that kind of underwear does not need his or her pubic hair anymore.<br />
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Alive,<br />
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Based on your extensive experience with unshaven Moslem twats, I would assume going down at the "Y" for some appeitzer would require some degree of safety measures, like wearing safety glasses to prevent eye injury from her pubic hair! Enjoy your meal my friend<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:13, 1 April 2012 (BST)<br />
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
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They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)<br />
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To Reginald,<br />
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Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.<br />
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On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;<br />
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1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.<br />
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2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.<br />
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3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.<br />
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Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.<br />
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Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider? <br />
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Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems. <br />
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I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.<br />
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Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?<br />
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Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.<br />
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Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment! <br />
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However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon". <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time. <br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. <br />
Flashlights which can blind them.<br />
Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers.<br />
500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. <br />
Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. <br />
Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. <br />
Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing. <br />
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On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.<br />
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Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?<br />
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We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.<br />
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The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.<br />
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The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing. <br />
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Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. <br />
The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.<br />
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Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.<br />
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-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.<br />
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So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..<br />
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Just my opinion, if the events stated are true and that the Plejaren leader Ptaah for not just Earth but two other planets was responsible for these miscues (Tunguska, Mars) then maybe he should gracefully retire and let Quetzal take his place since he is already at the JHWH level and also a strut degree as well.<br />
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Besides was it not Quetzal's inititive in conducting that android experiement to validate that the Plejaren's demmand on Billy at the SSSC was too extreme and the reason why he suffered a nervious breakdown that almost killed him?<br />
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Besides Quetzal has direct links to Earthly matters, being the incarnated spirit of Gabriel the Plejaren leader who mated with Mary and produced a son Jmmanuel the 5th prophet whose spiritual connections is directly linked to Billy himself, which in turn is directly linked to almost every Earth human?<br />
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I think we need a new prospective to address this most complicated slew of events ocurring on Earth, letting other ET's dictate how events pan out is certainly not advisable and Quetzal seems the most logical individual to do innovative things rather than be burdened with protocols and directives. Ptaah has done some good work, but being good is not enough.<br />
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I wonder if the 3 planets Ptaah is in charge of are similar or vastly different. I guess that they all follow the creational guidelines to development of people and there consciosness. At best I wouldn't have let Mars/Phaeton Malona fall but in terms of balance since religion came from our region and caused the demise of an entire system of planets, it was our fate to lose one in the cosmic balance. We should be fortunate to still be around with our inaccurate thinking. I think they have done a commendable job but more teaching needs to reach the masses. Tunguska I am not so sure because if they had broken the rules the space faring peoples then they might have brought about there own fate. It could have been handled differently but you learn and make better moves in the future. <br />
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Aloha Hawaiian, I think what you said is being a little disrespectful towards Ptaah, don't you think? Maybe Billy knows of all Ptaah's great deeds and we don't? Since Ptaah isn't one to brag, maybe in some future lifetime we will know of all the great things he's done. But just the fact that we haven't blown our earth up yet speaks volumes since there are a lot of crazy humans with their finger on the button. So just because we aren't spoon fed his great feats, doesn't mean there aren't any. And I sure hope he keeps it up :)<br />
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The two churches you are talking about are "Orthodox Catholic" and "Roman Catholic". But the Orthodox Catholic is commonly just called Orthodox Church.<br />
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There is a contact report where Semjase says that once Earth humans have developed the means to reach Mars they will discover ancient ruins that will verify to the religious sector and all humanity that they are not the only ones in the universe and will invalidate many of the religious dogmas which keeps humanity from the truth.<br />
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Now that the Sirians erased all evidence it only makes spiritual evolution much more difficult (changes in prophecy as well), Ptaah as a leader of this sector in space should have said something to prevent such an event from occurring, but no he or others was only concerned about some Sirian law that allows such action to take place because "no living human was presently on Mars during the erasure". What about the billions living in religious delusion on Earth who would have certainly benefited from such hard evidence to prove that these degenerated practices (created by ET’s) are false?<br />
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Who cares about Sirian law, this SOL sector is under Plejaren control not them and Ptaah is the primary invidual for its enforcement, instead of standing up for Earthly humanity he let himself be swayed by some outside ET protocols just like in the Tunguska incident which could have resulted in preventing world wars I and II that would have a dramatic outcome for Earthly matters.<br />
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It appears that prediction and prophecies are much more important than correcting the degenerated parameters of humans on Earth to also include protocols and directives of others who visit this sector but do not live here. The cards are surely stacked against us and again Earthly humans are thrown to the wayside from those with the power to assist but chose otherwise, therefore in these cases the Plejaren are part of the problem and not the solution. In this regard had Ptaah or the Plejarens made a better judgment, I would respect them, but since they did not, they do not deserve my respect in these cases. I do recognize other accomplishments as well.<br />
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They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!<br />
<br />
--Reginald 17:03, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)<br />
<br />
--Mark 20:11, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
To Reginald,<br />
<br />
Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.<br />
<br />
On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;<br />
<br />
1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.<br />
<br />
2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.<br />
<br />
3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.<br />
<br />
Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.<br />
<br />
Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider? <br />
<br />
Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 20:13, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems. <br />
<br />
--Mark 20:39, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 08:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.<br />
<br />
Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?<br />
<br />
Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.<br />
<br />
Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment! <br />
<br />
However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon". <br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 19:42, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time. <br />
<br />
--Mark 22:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. <br />
Flashlights which can blind them.<br />
Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers.<br />
500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. <br />
Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. <br />
Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. <br />
Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers. <br />
<br />
--Mark 23:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing. <br />
<br />
On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.<br />
<br />
Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?<br />
<br />
We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.<br />
<br />
The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 06:22, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing. <br />
<br />
--Mark 16:51, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. <br />
The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 01:44, 8 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Nebojsa said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Nebojsa|Nebojsa]] 18:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Zameen said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"<br />
<br />
--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.<br />
<br />
So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Just my opinion, if the events stated are true and that the Plejaren leader Ptaah for not just Earth but two other planets was responsible for these miscues (Tunguska, Mars) then maybe he should gracefully retire and let Quetzal take his place since he is already at the JHWH level and also a strut degree as well.<br />
<br />
Besides was it not Quetzal's inititive in conducting that android experiement to validate that the Plejaren's demmand on Billy at the SSSC was too extreme and the reason why he suffered a nervious breakdown that almost killed him?<br />
<br />
Besides Quetzal has direct links to Earthly matters, being the incarnated spirit of Gabriel the Plejaren leader who mated with Mary and produced a son Jmmanuel the 5th prophet whose spiritual connections is directly linked to Billy himself, which in turn is directly linked to almost every Earth human?<br />
<br />
I think we need a new prospective to address this most complicated slew of events ocurring on Earth, letting other ET's dictate how events pan out is certainly not advisable and Quetzal seems the most logical individual to do innovative things rather than be burdened with protocols and directives. Ptaah has done some good work, but being good is not enough.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Contact_Report_007&diff=18293Talk:Contact Report 0072012-03-13T22:09:55Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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<div><noinclude>Comments on [[Contact Report 7]]<br />
<comments /><br />
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== Reginald said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
They can travel through time and still not save these scripts? Or copy them at least. Or beam the script and the man aboard!<br />
<br />
--Reginald 17:03, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I remember reading one time that some things must be approved by the High Council, and I don't know if they approved attaining the scripts, but this report is not up to date so who knows what lies in the depths of planet earth and all it's treasures of knowledge. Don't go searching for that script now Reginald and become a rockstar or anything. :)<br />
<br />
--Mark 20:11, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
To Reginald,<br />
<br />
Yes, the Plejarens could have just done what you suggested, but that never happened, so Billy had to get the revised version from the Petale level. An extra effort after experiencing a breakdown caused by unreasonable demands by the Plejaren themselves.<br />
<br />
On more than a few occasions, the Plejarens have displayed thoughtless "logic" adhering to their non-interference directives, that has caused more problems for Earth humans to "resolve" had they not logically think the "solution" out before remaining on the sidelines, case in point;<br />
<br />
1 - As in this case of Rashid, the Plejaren also irresponsibly demanded too much from Billy which also killed him as a result.<br />
<br />
2 - Did not intervene when the Sirian commandos began to "erase" all human-made structures on Mars after they arrested the Men in Black on Mars. In Contact Note 251, they mentioned back then, that Earth humans will soon discover the ancient ruins on Mars that will bring into question the religious dogmas. But now it has been erased, makes it more difficult to prove otherwise, thus makes Billy's mission more difficult as well.<br />
<br />
3 - Did not intervene during the Tunguska event when a spacecraft with 4387 ET's through navigation error, brought them to Russian and could not leave because of technical difficulties. They created an atomic bomb and destroyed themselves, thus they are now condemned to the re-incarnation process here on Earth, when the Plejarens could have provided another option, but did not, because they are blinded by their own quest for evolution.<br />
<br />
Here was a genuine opportunity to resolve a host of problems for both these ET's and Earth humans, who common problems traced back to religions and those that promoted it. Their home worlds were destroyed when their ancestors took the insane religious beliefs from Earth back there 1000 years ago.<br />
<br />
Those that created these religious insanity were none other than the Giza Intelligences based under the pyramids. Instead of allowing such an opportunity go to waste, these ET's could have served a most useful endeavor and counter-act the evil Giza Intelligences, thus preventing WW1 and WW2 and also permitting their leaders back home to reconsider? <br />
<br />
Sometimes I wonder how "logical" these Plejarens are, when they can't even see what's under their feet? Yes the foundation they stand on, created by the most honorable BEING/Being himself Nokodemjon who co-created the very ancestors of the Plejaren, Creator Overlords and others. It is this foundation of logical, humane intervention that supercedes any directives which enables one to evolve pass these self-imposed restrictions that inhibits both parties of this equation.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 20:13, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hawaiian everyone can't do the Hula dance correctly at first but even higher and more knowledgeable beings can't make perfect decisions every time. Wars can be averted if money hungry people and those that wish to dominate don't reach the highest position so easily. I mean once you become a top official it's like taking candy from a baby, there should be an enormous amount of obstacles before anything is approved. Governments are set up so in a couple of years ANYONE can make it to the top and impose there will upon there people. If they had tougher requirements in leadership such as a very high education attainment, years of good humanitarian service and a certain age before becoming a rule creator things would be much better. It would also help if before approvign anything they discuss the possible good and bad outcomes thus they don't get surprised when chaos breaks out because they were too quick on the trigger. I also remember reading that the Plejarens cannot interfere with events within our jurisdiction unless of a possible destructive nature to the cosmos. They have kindly sent 7 prophets our way or the universe has and we turned them away with the profit power greedy seeking leaders. We are the only ones to blame for our problems. <br />
<br />
--Mark 20:39, 1 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
I agree with Mark because the Plejaren are only Human and not some perfect god.Everybody can learn from their mistakes so they can correct these mistakes to the good.I feel very good that the Plejuran help us at all.What would it be like if there was only bad Aliens?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 08:05, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
In 1995 the Plejarens have officially withdrawn from Earthly missions, expect for the occasional visits and telepathic contacts with BEAM. So as I see it, we are again left to fend for ourselves, one question that I still ponder, are some of the evil 144,228 former ring leaders the "Sons and Daughters of Heavens", those responsible for the terrible religious dogmas on Earth were later accepted by the Plejaren in the past.<br />
<br />
Thus, is it logical to assume that some of these Plejarens have a self interest in themselves, more so than the concern of these manipulated/degenerated Earth humans, since they have "fulfilled" their part through BEAM by the Creational materials he has written and now has left, contented with their "mission accomplished" endeavor?<br />
<br />
Based on the past and current practices/attitudes of the Plejaren, I'm not sure if I would whole hearty accept them 100 percent genuine and compassionate, for self preservation, avoidance to open dialogue towards addressing their counterparts and steadfastly adhering to their "directives" often appears counter-productive and often creates more problems at hand.<br />
<br />
Granted, I will credit them for the assistance given to both BEAM and Earthly matters, but they still have much to learn even if it means the destruction of Earth along with people like ourselves under the worst imposed conditions, trying in earnest to adhere to Creational methods, in my books is nothing less than abandonment! <br />
<br />
However, as Billy once mentioned to Quetzal, "one day the Plejaren will be humbled and respect those that they feed with a big spoon". <br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 19:42, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Hawaiian I usually agree but it's like entering into every country and imposing our rules and time and everytime. A problem which is still going on today.:) If we can't figure out to help ourselves, how can we become any better. If they solve all our problems and fix every mistake we make, how can we learn? I am sure that they had there fair share of trouble makers as well like Ashtar Sheran who was a highly knowledgeable one that somehow chose a different path. They are by no means perfect, remember the caks ship being discontinued. I would call most of what they say as genuine because it is a universal matter of knowledge they are passing along not an egotistical self centered ideal. Would you want to speak to beings that have a LONG way to go in terms of mental development and don't use all there senses correctly. It's like talking to a wall. One day things will get better if everyone can jointly make decisions rather than pointing fingers all the time. <br />
<br />
--Mark 22:50, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Even more imperfections is there inability to have contact with dogs and cats at close proximity. <br />
Flashlights which can blind them.<br />
Bicycles and there monstrous road grating and balancing act dangers.<br />
500 plus cake ship atmosphere deterioration feature. OOPS said that one already. <br />
Updated Contact reports due to approval from councils high above them. <br />
Pictures destroyed due to overexcited human reactions and possible black mail by earth humans of degenerate thinking capabilities. <br />
Feel free to add a list of more my fellow contact report readers. <br />
<br />
--Mark 23:33, 6 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
This exercise was to point out the imperfections of these so called "advanced ET's", not point fingers, although it has a certain logical value when seriously analyzed under the Cause and Effect principle for those without the necessary experience in endeavoring however compassionate resolutions they may be utilizing. <br />
<br />
On more than a few occasions, had the Plejaren or others analyzed the particular situations and elicit inputs from the very ones affected, then the outcome would have a more positive impact. There are allot of events going on within this most complex environment, both material and fine matters that one day we and others will discover as logical and humane. That is why such a complex interconnected issues that spans time/space of various encounters require a composite consensus approach to include the inputs from these so called degenerates, since some are directly connected to former ET re-incarnated spirits.<br />
<br />
Maybe it will be another ET race or BEING not the Plejaren, with of course, Earth human inputs that will finally bring about the reversal of degenerative measures that will bridge the enormous gap that now separates our common link(s)?<br />
<br />
We are more interconnected than what meets the eye, but that full potential(s) have not been addressed and when one understands their valuable place holder in this equation, along with others on the "other side" of this equation, then one will "find" the appropriate measures to finally balance the "Equational Potentials" between the negative and positive factors since Nokodemjon brought order in the DERN universe.<br />
<br />
The "key" is to acknowledge and act positively on your particular attributes in this most complex set of evolutionary circumstances regardless of ones current level of evolution. When all entities react positively, then the BEING will be unified between the material and fine energies that currently separate them.<br />
<br />
--Hawaiian 06:22, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Mark said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The Plejaren are not perfect, so they cannot know every single space dwelling race out there. They are developing like we are, thus we can't rely on them for everything, we should be so kind to say thanks for the assistance. They can in no way know every ET's intention out there. If we implemented better measures to counter rash decision making then things can get better by our own hand rather than us having to hope the Plejaren elicit thoughts into every leader to do the right thing. <br />
<br />
--Mark 16:51, 7 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Because the Plejaren are close friends with BEAM it is more than reasonable to think that the Plejaren show wisdom and knowledge which is simply excused by us Earth Human degenerates.(Wisdom x knowledge = Love).It is unreasonable to expect any human at any level of evolution to sacrifice themselves. <br />
The best anybody can do is to be responsible for themselves first and to help others secondly.We should only compete with good deeds.These ideas evolve humans to be spiritual and thus independent from the urge to be dependent on others.The body is really a vessel or dwelling for the spirit and the conscience block. Food is the fuel and material that maintains the flesh and blood while the electromagnetic energies power the body and the conscience and the fluidal Energies and much more.We are today capable of reversing the gene that degenerates our lives it only requires masses of people to awake and see the truth in order for cause and effect to take place for the good.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Bigfoot|Bigfoot]] 01:44, 8 June 2010 (BST)<br />
</div><br />
== Nebojsa said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
Greek Orthodox-Catholic Church? Such a church does not exist. The two are separate and opposed (since the 10th century AD).The Talmud has nothing in common with either of the above mentioned churches, it is Jewish. And Rashid is an Arabic/Islamic name. Such errors raise serious doubts about the authenticity of the text and compromise Mr. Meier.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Nebojsa|Nebojsa]] 18:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Zameen said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
-nebojas I implore you to read much more and with specific regard the contact notes. Therein you will find answers that seemed like they were standing up and waving a giant flag as if to say "Right here!! right here!! These are the answers!"<br />
<br />
--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 21:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div><br />
== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
The revised version of the Talmud transmitted to Billy came from the Petale realm, the highest spiritual level before becoming the Absolutum. It is NOT any religious dogma, nor belongs to any religion, certainly not Jewish who god they worship is Jehova who WAS a JHFH (king of falsehood, malice) an evil material man who is not even at the half-physical/spiritual level of the High Council and not even close to the 1st level of the Arahat Athersata in which the Petale is much higher being at the 7th pure spiritual level.<br />
<br />
So logical speaking, why would the Petale give instructions to Billy for a Jewish people whose god is opposite of what creational teaching is about? Don't make sense at all..<br />
<br />
--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Concentration_Exercises&diff=18285Talk:Concentration Exercises2012-03-11T21:16:36Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Anon said ... ==<br />
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Please excuse my ignorance but do we continue with the 15min time and not start again also the wishful dream bit seems a bit vague please explain a bit and do we then move on to analytical meditation instead of keeping it at unwanted thought suppression. Thankyou<br />
<br />
--Anon 01:07, 13 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Tom said ... ==<br />
<br />
<div class='commentBlock'><br />
It's easy for Billy since he have this pyramd with a device. Any tips how to boost meditation? Have you heard about "holosync" ? Can you ask Billy if it helping?<br />
<br />
--Tom 01:23, 15 June 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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As one becomes more "adapted" and evolved, there is no need to start over again, since evolution is a progressive endeavor. Furthermore, this technique is not "thought suppression", but rather meditation is a state of being where ALL senses are "acknowledged", in order for the higher senses to develop "their" full potentials at higher frequencies. That is the progressive nature of evolution.<br />
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"wishful dream" is to establish a stronger link between your Conscious and Sub-Conscious, where as the S.C. "controls" your future activities. Thus, one's goals (legit and humane) can be achieved through meditation which is a logical discipline between your Being, the Conscious and Subconscious.<br />
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Analytical meditation is not a proper concept for it violates the "goal" of meditation, which is to become "aware" of one's very Being, to calm the chaos of one's senses, including the thinking processes as well.<br />
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One can "analyze" their dreams, the ether state or other dimensions, because in these realms, there are logical as well as illogical connections depending on the condition of one's psyche.<br />
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A pyramid is a device that "filters" or screens out unwanted influences and I assume the enhancement crystal was removed by the Plejaren. There are dangers of trying to "boost" fine energies if one is not evolved enough to engage in such activities without the safe guards in place to avoid feedback or other unwarranted results.<br />
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Have you all seen that movie Coneheads, I was thinking of a huge pyramid on our heads so we have instant access to the world of meditation. Don't wear this around everywhere or they might think your weird. :) I think we need some special materials like aluminum or something like that for maximum reception. It's like ATT Uverse, we are so advanced on Earth without electronics. <br />
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See Contact Note 249 (attached) for more details on pyramids, copper is best while others made of other materials can be dangerous and harmful.<br />
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Well then, here's something regarding the pyramids: Someone who sells pyramids telephoned me recently. Of course I did not give him any details because of his line of work. But I also did not provide any details because pyramids are not as harmless as people on Earth generally think. It is a fact that copper is the only material which must be used for the meditation pyramids, because copper is capable of conducting electric energy, and does not generate those forces inside the pyramid that are dangerous, possibly even fatal, to human beings the way non-conductive materials do. Pyramids made from non-conductive material such as stone, man-made materials, glass, crystal and similar ones, all have a propensity within their interior that causes, at the correct location, cell tissue and other things to mummify and utensil cutting blades to change; living beings are killed by powerful forces that collect at the correct point due to the pyramid's shape. These powerful forces influence, change or kill anything located there. This does not happen with a conductive copper pyramid though. Depending on certain conditions, such as measurements, antenna and elevation, etc., some totally different, energizing forces develop within a copper pyramid. These forces then deflect the oscillations that strike the pyramid from the outside and develop into fatal forces. In order for this to happen, though, the copper pyramid must be completely enclosed and secured all the way around. For some time now a pyramid boom has been occurring in many countries and many types and sizes of pyramids are sold commercially. Isn't there a risk that dangerous things could result? <br />
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The things you mention have taken place for many years, so they are not just now beginning to occur. However, all the people who are, or were, harmed by such pyramids are not currently, nor will they ever be, aware that their ailments were caused by pyramids made from non-conductive materials. <br />
Pyramids are truly not as harmless as people on Earth assume. <br />
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== Kit Epic said ... ==<br />
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Could you give an example of a "wishful dream" please? I also do not understand "...one that can be realized during those 15 minutes". Someone please explain. Thanks.<br />
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"Wishful dream" in the waking or dreaming state, may I ask? There is quite a difference, but I assume you mean in the "15 minutes" of meditation, therefore an example is given for which at a time your meditation will harmonize one's psyche into a state of balance where more evolved attributes like innate compassion will be triggered towards less fortunate events that are either connected to one's past or current connections while still in the material conscious or related to future events stored in the Subconscious.<br />
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For example in this state of being (meditation) one may endeavor or have certain feelings, urges or the "wish" to make things right, "it" will not be a direct vision for that violates free will, but will depend on one's current state of psyche be it slightly positive and balanced or unfortunately the opposite, so yes "wishful dreaming" can be either helpful or harmful.<br />
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Too bad we don't have a technology that can provide feedback on the condition of one's psyche during meditation, something in the order of displaying the color auras instead of EKG or brain wave charting. Best to keep on meditating until your time and effort matures into the awareness that will bear fruit for the answers you seek.<br />
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I have questions, why is it a red or golden rose? Does it represent life? Also, what do you do when you pass day 21? Has eduard written any other meditations that have been translated into english?<br />
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== Kit Epic said ... ==<br />
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Kind of late but, Thank you Hawaiian for your reply. You have shined light on my question. <br />
Unfortunately, I live in a very crowded city and continue to be easily distracted by thoughts during meditation. I am going to place an order for the copper pyramid in hopes that it will amplify my thoughts rather than those around me.<br />
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Red rose or the sun, research meditation with a clear sight for more information.<br />
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Align one side of the pyramid to Earth's magnetic North and depending on your meditation position (research pyramid and meditation), the pyramid is positioned slightly higher and away from your head.<br />
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Use ear plugs and stay away from electrical outlets or powerlines when meditating, maybe it would be better to meditate in the wee morning hours when most people are asleep in urban areas.<br />
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</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=18272Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2012-03-10T03:29:53Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Salome<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. <br />
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.<br />
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.<br />
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I have a good female friend who's sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian. They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.<br />
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is. <br />
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us. This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.<br />
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Just my thoughts, views<br />
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &quot;Ufofacts&quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?<br />
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.<br />
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?<br />
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf<br />
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.<br />
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!<br />
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. <br />
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner. Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.<br />
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.<br />
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html<br />
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.<br />
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.<br />
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1. <i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
2. <i>2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :) <br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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<i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
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<i> 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.<br />
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE<br />
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.<br />
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.<br />
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.<br />
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.<br />
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. <br />
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :) <br />
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Why are you looking for something "out there" when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.<br />
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BELIEF or BELIEVING<br />
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.<br />
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.<br />
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.<br />
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.<br />
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.<br />
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<i>Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. <br />
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. </i><br />
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? <br />
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<i>Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. </i><br />
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. <br />
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<i>Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, </i> <br />
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?<br />
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<i>another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. </i><br />
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?<br />
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<i>To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.</i><br />
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.<br />
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<i>Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. </i><br />
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?<br />
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<i>It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. </i><br />
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)<br />
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<i>Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. </i><br />
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.<br />
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<i>Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, </i><br />
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.<br />
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<i>If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. </i><br />
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It’s a choice. :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early. So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won't admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end? After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)? Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have. We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple. Proper management of resources, lol. Who the heck are you trying to fool. They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources. Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 11 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :) <br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Mark, our leaders aren't efficient people, and when they screw up, they'll only tell you what they see from their limited perspectives. And if we all believe them, we'll continue to be as screwed as they make things and want you to believe them. Hey, life goes on. ;)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Carsch, they are currently not teaching about overpopulation in schools (just this fact alone speaks volumes). So where am I getting this information? Like I said from the huge culling of animals when they encroach on civilization. Just recently in BC a woman died because of a suspected bear attack. They killed four black bears before testing which one could be the culprit. Cities of millions of people are a factor when you consider where that city is located (on a fault line, by a volcano). Dams and the displacement of those huge volumes of water is also major.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Just two questions,<br />
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1. Are you Carsch a homosexual? If yes, than your "answers" explain themselves without addressing any issues brought forth.<br />
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2. Why has that excellent report on Homosexuality done by Marianne Uehlinger been removed from this website so all can reference it for their own consumption? She of all persons is called by the Plejarens as the "Conscientious One" because of her ancient ties to this mission and her contributions are still very important, yet this report is missing?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hawaiian which report, please?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Jamesum,<br />
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Sorry, I made couple hardcopies of Marianne Uehlinger Mondria’s article on Homosexuality which was downloaded either from this website or another, I don’t recall off hand. But I definitely know I have more than one hardcopy, which unfortunately is stored in some boxes anticipating my move to another location.<br />
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If you can’t get it from her directly, then I’ll converted it in Pdf format and send it to you. It’s unfortunate not being able to quote some of her notes since even the Plejarens speak highly of her and I agree on her opinion about homosexuality, but cannot at the moment quote her words on some points that I have posted.<br />
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Billy,<br />
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Who was Marianne Uehlinger at the time of the great oaths and determinations 13,500 years ago, and what task or function does she have today?<br />
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114. Her name at that time was XANDAALA, which means “The Conscientious One.<br />
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115. At that time, as a former personality, she wasn’t, and also isn’t today, integrated into the group of the fallible ones and, thus, also isn’t a part of the Codex.<br />
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121. Her worth of collection and recognition is higher than what is often the case with the group members, which is why the necessary evolution for Marianne cannot be furnished on the group’s side<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_235<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
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And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
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Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly.<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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if a man beds down with another man or beast, then later begains to learn and to understand the laws of nature and creation. shall he still be punshied and cast out for the remainder of his life. is their such ways to repent or fix his broken self <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sara,<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
PRIVATE MATTER OR MORE SO SELFISH ATTITUTE OF ONE’S OWN MATERIAL WANTS TOTALLY DISREGARDING THE CONFUSION HOMOSEXUALITY CAUSES TO THE SPIRIT WHICH WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RE-INCARNATE AS ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL.<br />
And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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AGAIN, MORE SELFISHNESS TO LIVE FOR TODAY AND NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SPIRIT WILL INCARNATE IN ANOTHER CONFUSED PERSONALITY.<br />
Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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MAYBE YOU HAVE A POINT IN REGARDS TO OVERPOPULATION, BUT THEN AGAIN WOULD NOT YOUR INFLUENCES TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO PRODUCE MORE HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION AS TO PERPETUATE THIS UNCREATIONAL BEHAVIOUR?<br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly. <br />
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TRUE TO A LIMITED EXTENT, BUT SEX ACTS AMONGST HOMOSEXUALS IS AGAIN ONLY SELFISH SATISFACTION THAT DOES NOT PROCREATE THE NEXT GENERATION. ALL THE PREVIOUS PERSONALITIES THAT WAS IN A “NORMAL” STATE GEARED TOWARD THIS CREATIONAL PROCESS ARE NOW IN LIMBO BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT SELFISH ACTS OF THE CURRENT PERSONALITY WHO ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIM/HERSELF.<br />
--Sarah 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Your comments are as screwed up as your chaotic "assumptions" and misquotes. You say all things creational are of choice.<br />
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Then say that to the manipulated DNA warriors whose ageing genes were short-circuited by the creator overlords from 350-450 years to no more than 100 years. Which by your words "all of creation is choice" that now contaiminates every single human being on Earth.<br />
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So therefore "by choice" each and every single human now commits a serious crime to creational laws because of this "programmed suicides" originally done by the insane creator overlords. Did any of you out there made this short life cycle "by choice"???<br />
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There are other comments your delusional selfish mind has made which I will not waste my time on responding to, simply because you are stuck on stupid.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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llearn,<br />
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It is the now or current status that really matters, even if one did "transgress" or deviate in the past and acknowledges, learns from their mistakes and corrects its inbalance towards creational harmony then that person is on the right track.<br />
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Do not be burdened by a guilt which is defined by religious nonsense as "sin" to restrict your progress because dogmas was designed to keep others from the truth and to be manipulated and extorted by the religious parasites. Good luck in your endeavors<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=18270Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2012-03-10T01:43:46Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:54, 5 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. <br />
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== Ufofacts said ... ==<br />
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.<br />
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.<br />
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I have a good female friend who's sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian. They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.<br />
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is. <br />
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us. This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.<br />
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Just my thoughts, views<br />
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &quot;Ufofacts&quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?<br />
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.<br />
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?<br />
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf<br />
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.<br />
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!<br />
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. <br />
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner. Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.<br />
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.<br />
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html<br />
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 03:52, 15 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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1. <i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
2. <i>2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :) <br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:37, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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<i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
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<i> 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.<br />
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE<br />
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.<br />
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.<br />
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.<br />
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.<br />
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. <br />
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :) <br />
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Why are you looking for something "out there" when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.<br />
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BELIEF or BELIEVING<br />
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.<br />
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.<br />
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.<br />
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.<br />
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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<i>Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. <br />
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. </i><br />
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? <br />
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<i>Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. </i><br />
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. <br />
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<i>Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, </i> <br />
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?<br />
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<i>another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. </i><br />
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?<br />
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<i>To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.</i><br />
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.<br />
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<i>Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. </i><br />
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?<br />
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<i>It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. </i><br />
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)<br />
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<i>Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. </i><br />
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.<br />
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<i>Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, </i><br />
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.<br />
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<i>If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. </i><br />
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It’s a choice. :)<br />
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early. So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won't admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)<br />
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end? After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)? Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have. We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple. Proper management of resources, lol. Who the heck are you trying to fool. They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources. Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?<br />
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Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :) <br />
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Mark, our leaders aren't efficient people, and when they screw up, they'll only tell you what they see from their limited perspectives. And if we all believe them, we'll continue to be as screwed as they make things and want you to believe them. Hey, life goes on. ;)<br />
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Hi Carsch, they are currently not teaching about overpopulation in schools (just this fact alone speaks volumes). So where am I getting this information? Like I said from the huge culling of animals when they encroach on civilization. Just recently in BC a woman died because of a suspected bear attack. They killed four black bears before testing which one could be the culprit. Cities of millions of people are a factor when you consider where that city is located (on a fault line, by a volcano). Dams and the displacement of those huge volumes of water is also major.<br />
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Just two questions,<br />
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1. Are you Carsch a homosexual? If yes, than your "answers" explain themselves without addressing any issues brought forth.<br />
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2. Why has that excellent report on Homosexuality done by Marianne Uehlinger been removed from this website so all can reference it for their own consumption? She of all persons is called by the Plejarens as the "Conscientious One" because of her ancient ties to this mission and her contributions are still very important, yet this report is missing?<br />
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Hawaiian which report, please?<br />
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Jamesum,<br />
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Sorry, I made couple hardcopies of Marianne Uehlinger Mondria’s article on Homosexuality which was downloaded either from this website or another, I don’t recall off hand. But I definitely know I have more than one hardcopy, which unfortunately is stored in some boxes anticipating my move to another location.<br />
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If you can’t get it from her directly, then I’ll converted it in Pdf format and send it to you. It’s unfortunate not being able to quote some of her notes since even the Plejarens speak highly of her and I agree on her opinion about homosexuality, but cannot at the moment quote her words on some points that I have posted.<br />
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Billy,<br />
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Who was Marianne Uehlinger at the time of the great oaths and determinations 13,500 years ago, and what task or function does she have today?<br />
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114. Her name at that time was XANDAALA, which means “The Conscientious One.<br />
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115. At that time, as a former personality, she wasn’t, and also isn’t today, integrated into the group of the fallible ones and, thus, also isn’t a part of the Codex.<br />
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121. Her worth of collection and recognition is higher than what is often the case with the group members, which is why the necessary evolution for Marianne cannot be furnished on the group’s side<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_235<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
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And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
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Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly.<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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if a man beds down with another man or beast, then later begains to learn and to understand the laws of nature and creation. shall he still be punshied and cast out for the remainder of his life. is their such ways to repent or fix his broken self <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sara,<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
PRIVATE MATTER OR MORE SO SELFISH ATTITUTE OF ONE’S OWN MATERIAL WANTS TOTALLY DISREGARDING THE CONFUSION HOMOSEXUALITY CAUSES TO THE SPIRIT WHICH WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RE-INCARNATE AS ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL.<br />
And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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AGAIN, MORE SELFISHNESS TO LIVE FOR TODAY AND NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SPIRIT WILL INCARNATE IN ANOTHER CONFUSED PERSONALITY.<br />
Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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MAYBE YOU HAVE A POINT IN REGARDS TO OVERPOPULATION, BUT THEN AGAIN WOULD NOT YOUR INFLUENCES TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO PRODUCE MORE HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION AS TO PERPETUATE THIS UNCREATIONAL BEHAVIOUR?<br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly. <br />
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TRUE TO A LIMITED EXTENT, BUT SEX ACTS AMONGST HOMOSEXUALS IS AGAIN ONLY SELFISH SATISFACTION THAT DOES NOT PROCREATE THE NEXT GENERATION. ALL THE PREVIOUS PERSONALITIES THAT WAS IN A “NORMAL” STATE GEARED TOWARD THIS CREATIONAL PROCESS ARE NOW IN LIMBO BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT SELFISH ACTS OF THE CURRENT PERSONALITY WHO ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIM/HERSELF.<br />
--Sarah 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Your comments are as screwed up as your chaotic "assumptions" and misquotes. You say all things creational are of choice.<br />
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Then say that to the manipulated DNA warriors whose ageing genes were short-circuited by the creator overlords from 350-450 years to no more than 100 years. Which by your words "all of creation is choice" that now contaiminates every single human being on Earth.<br />
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So therefore "by choice" each and every single human now commits a serious crime to creational laws because of this "programmed suicides" originally done by the insane creator overlords. Did any of you out there made this short life cycle "by choice"???<br />
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There are other comments your delusional selfish mind has made which I will not waste my time on responding to, simply because you are stuck on stupid.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
</div></div>Barbarian216https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F&diff=18269Talk:Homosexuality - What is its Cause?2012-03-10T01:30:43Z<p>Barbarian216: Comment provided by Hawaiian - via ArticleComments extension</p>
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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The word sodomy was not translated here properly:<br />
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"In modern German, the word “Sodomie” has no connotation of anal or oral sex, and refers specifically to bestiality."<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy<br />
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--Sanjin 02:19, 17 May 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Beau Man said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuals can and many do choose to procreate. I am a parent of two children, conceived with women, raised in a loving household in mixed community - males and females of diverse orientations. <br />
Love is the basis of any successful relationship, with self, other, the planet and universe...<br />
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== Mark said ... ==<br />
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According to contact report 219, the priesthood is partially to blame because of cellibacy. You must release that tension or distorted volcanic eruptions occur such as homosexuality. Don't join the priesthood. All the priests should take a lie detector test. I think the Pope would have a very hard time defending a majority of his priests. Nuns must face the same dilemma, time to search for nuns that need to be freed from there tension. :)j/k<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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I'm a bit confused by the wording on this particular page.<br />
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Even if a male homosexual bond were of a loving and kind nature, and not out of lust or hedonism, it would be deemed unnatural?<br />
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As a bisexual male and follower of Billy Meier's work, this saddens me.<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hi AS.<br />
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It would only be unnatural for one of you to change your nature surgically to have the ability to bear children. I have talked with Mariann Uehlinger about this and this is what I have found out:<br />
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The word homo-sexuality in itself is a contradictory word because of the meaning of the word sexuality in the German language. Not sure if you understand it but here is the German Wikipedia page for this:<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Sexuality is defined in its strict biological sense as "the condition of (at least) two different reproductive types (sexes) of living creatures of the same kind who are capable to reproduce with the other type (sex)."<br />
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That's why "Homo-Sexualität" is unnatural, but relationships and attraction and sexual union between two men and two women is a natural occurance.<br />
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Its really hard to explain it in English, because the German words Sexualität is not the same as sexuality, and also Geschlecht is not the same as gender.<br />
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For example Geschlechtsverkehr means sexual intercourse, but word for word it is "gender-intercourse". It's basically impossible to translate it without falsifying the meaning, because the words refer to different things and when one tries to explain something with the two words a different meaning comes out than was meant originally.<br />
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I hope this makes sense. :)<br />
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== AS said ... ==<br />
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Thanks Sanjin.<br />
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The whole thing is still pretty vague to me, but I think I understand the basic idea now.<br />
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So, hypothetically, if we lived far in the future, and my male partner and I decided to try to make life artificially through some sort of technological means or something like that, that's what would be unnatural?<br />
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Unless I'm interpreting it completely wrong. Also, the future thing is just an example. I couldn't think of a better way of wording it.<br />
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Thank you.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Homosexuality is confusion and chaotic at both the material and non-material realms which results in all cases except in rare cases between females, the extinction of such arrangements! There are cases where conception occurs between females due to some genetic influences, but I would assume it is not a natural way of conception and probably not a recommended method of ensuring the species will evolve properly or sustain its reproduction cycles.<br />
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It is not pro-creative because biologically speaking a human male which is positive and a human female which is negative are balanced once marriage or union is established, both are needed in order to Creationally evolve the material Beings to the next level of evolution until finally both merge in the Petale level.<br />
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Also, homosexuality causes confusion for the reincarnation process, experiences that contradict ones inherited or defined gender specific attributes be it male or female effects every living cell and thus determines in a sense, how the next personality "emerges" for the spirit within each individual.<br />
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The "feelings" between these individuals may be genuine and compassionate with sincere meanings, but I often wonder how it affects the former passed personalities that have evolved symetrically with its gender attributes in regards to the spirit in each? We know for a fact that personalities are keep separate in order to prevent confusion, but are not the stored experiences essential for the development of one's spirit because they are connected?<br />
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For example, if an embodied male (positive), now having female (negative) impulses, yet remain on the cellular level as male positive is rather, in my opinion (which is not set in stone, until otherwise proven likewise), rather not in harmony a contradiction of sorts, where this negative influences should be coming from a female gender specific source.<br />
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The same also applies for female-female (negative-negative) relationships, but that is my opinion and subject to open discussion.<br />
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--Hawaiian 22:47, 1 August 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Sanjin said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, how did you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is confusion? I do not think that Creation was confused when it created it's natural laws which placed the prostate in human males there where it can be stimulated from anal intercourse. <br />
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I'm not advocating that there is no homosexuality which occurs due to confusion, which would be males that are naturally heterosexual, but develop a disposition to same-sex relationships due to degenerate thoughts. There are also cases which come from being sexually molested by the opposite sex which in turn makes the person develop a fear for the opposite sex.<br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 20:41, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)Your statements regarding fear of the opposite sex due to abusive behavior falls outside of the main issue, but none-the-less could be delegated to sub-topic, which regardless is a result of degenerated Cause and Effect event. To continue this path of fear is still against creational laws of harmony between a physical male/female in order to maintain its evolutionary development. If not resolved in this life cycle, then perhaps in the next incarnation?<br />
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It is becoming a chore to verify my statements that I have posted to those that govern their responses with emotional rather than logical reasoning as the connections are derived utilizing the materials posted on this website. In which two are listed on the bottom and the 3rd requires one to extrapolate it logically using their minds to connect why in the material realms there is a separation between human males and females.<br />
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One has to logically reason from a point of view regarding energy flows, that males are generally positive in nature while females are negative. It is not to say females are negative, but the flow of energy completes the cycle between positive and negative otherwise the physical human race will cease to exist.<br />
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Thus, if one is a physical male and has sexual desires for another male, which by nature or creational laws an attribute “assigned” to a female, then therefore is it NOT a state of CONFUSION? I think on U-tube, Billy does attest to this notion?<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F<br />
Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form, as well as inherent homophile selfishness, are interpreted as engendering a pseudo-homosexuality that is generated by one's own thoughts and fantasies, and which transgresses against the natural-creational laws and directives, and consequently constitutes an aberration. This form of homosexuality shows no relation whatsoever to the naturally occurring homosexuality that is against nature but genetically predetermined by nature. As a rule, the degenerate homosexuality, hence the pseudo-homosexuality that is self-created through thoughts and fantasies is paired with other self-generated sexual abnormalities and transgressions against the laws of nature, such as sodomy, masochism, sadism, and so forth. Homosexual men, by definition, cannot perform sexually procreative acts with one another. They can merely gratify themselves sexually, as is explained in the OM:<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra#Relationships<br />
No men and women on Erra are homosexual or bisexual as this benign and natural genetic disorder has been eradicated through genetic manipulation.<br />
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Thanks for the fast response. I still do not agree that homosexuality is necessarily confusion, unless it is developed due to confusion and "Degenerate sensory perceptions and self-created, anti-natural desires in perverse form", etc...<br />
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A good example of this would this degenerate behaviour of Afghan so called "men", who are not just pseudo-homosexual, but also pedophiles.<br />
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/28/INF21F2Q9H.DTL<br />
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I'm not sure how correct the last thing is you posted, since I do not have the original source to back it up and also since there are also other things stated on that page which are not true. <br />
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--[[User:Sanjin|Sanjin]] 22:40, 4 September 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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The answers you asked has already been addressed, but requires further analysis by one reading it for example, it’s part of the evolutionary process of Free Will. Each must find that “awareness” in order to proceed further in evolution.<br />
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1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.<br />
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2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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3. This is a topic has already been addressed so I will not commit any more energy towards it since now the issue is to be resolved internally by those seeking to find the necessary acceptance, which none-the-less will provide the knowledge and experience for your spirit.<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Salome all,<br />
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I want to take your attention especially to this sentence: "it means that homosexual men are guilty then, when they come together in such a way that makes them capable of giving birth in an unnatural and sacrilegious manner (for instance through genetic manipulation etc.), and then have sexual relationships for the purpose of procreating descendants by this means:" So in other words if you implant an uterus in a male human being, so that he becomes capable of creating offspring if he gets begotten by an other male....... I am sure some of you saw the movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger got pregnant ;)) :)) This creates turbulences in the balance and energy flow....... Natural "unnatural" homosexuality, whether from male to male, or from female to female in a natural way, can also be found in nature with various animals..... And in nature this is not the only "natürliche Unnatürlichkeit" that can be found...... Currently the book OM is refined by explaining some paragraphs. Especially in the book OM one has to think a lot because the language applied there is thousands or millions of years old = other life = other metaphors than we use today.<br />
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May wisdom and peace become your steady friends.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Please reference the 2 U-tube interview of Billy by Randy Winters regarding the issue of homosexuality.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdWcqGZ_dxE&feature=related<br />
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Scroll to about the last minute of Billy Meier’s interview on U-tube where he describes what confusion in the current material life will do when one’s spirit re-incarnates the next time in the future. If one is not clear in his or her mind of his/her sexuality, then he or she will become a homosexual in the next incarnation. Here you have it straight from the 7th prophet, so deal with it and stop trying to “justify” your confusion with erroneous selfish thoughts, you are either a woman or a man not something else.<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBPNJt-ZYY&NR=1<br />
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Here is another video clip where Billy explains more on homosexuality and finding solutions to this problem, it is covered in the first minute.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 06:14, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Neckel said ... ==<br />
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Hi Hawaiian,<br />
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I know these videos, thanks. You apparently don't know much about reincarnation. Because of this confusion in sexuality in the actual life, your psyche will be affected in the next life, and then your psyche and mentalblock will really not know "what sex" it is, even it is biologically clear. Homosexuality is a reality, have you already talked to one ? What concerns animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals<br />
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Homosexuality appears also on planets where there is no overpopulation. The healing process mentionned by Billy takes a whole life, you will and cannot change this in the actual life of that person, it will be only in the next incarnation or the one after the next one when it will be tangled out, and also the sexual orientation of everyone is a pure private matter, and none of our business. Pedophilia on the other hand, is another case and should be heavily punished......<br />
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Further reading on Homosexuality: http://www.figu.org/ch/themen/Homosexualit%C3%A4t<br />
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Salome<br />
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--[[User:Neckel|Neckel]] 06:44, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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I am attracted to women because all my experiences with men have been negative, begining with my physically and mentally, controlling father.<br />
I don't mean to sound offensive but the following words are my feelings regarding men on this earth.<br />
Since the begining of time the male gender has been responsible for most if not all of the wars, rapes, brutality, oppression and ignorance because all most men think about is their dicks and their egos.<br />
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== Moonwalker said ... ==<br />
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Men and women have to have some control of their sex drives. Everything seems to be about sex. Grow up and get over it and put your dicks back in your pants. The world is in trouble and we need to step up to the plate. Stop thinking about your selfish urges and stop the bull shit called life on this earth. <br />
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Janet <br />
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The views here about homosexuality are quite disturbing and have a smell of hate and aggression.<br />
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I am not homosexual, I am a man who finds women attractive ...... because of my genes and my psyche.<br />
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I have a good female friend who's sister is lesbian and also to other women where I work are also lesbian. They are nice people who do not attack us hetrosexuals. So why do us hetrosexuals think it is right and just to attack them.<br />
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I personally except that homosexuality is a natural process through the genes of a human being and/or the confussion of one psyche in regard to not knowing what sex actually is. <br />
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Even on Erra the Plejaren have homosexual men and women and they are more evoled then us. This should bring to your thoughts that regardless of the spiritual/conscious level of a human being homosexuality will naturally happen.<br />
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Just my thoughts, views<br />
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--[[User:Ufofacts|Stephen Moore (User &quot;Ufofacts&quot;)]] 13:08, 14 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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How can one scientifically relate the animal environment to the human species since reference to a rather open public source like Wiliki is NOT subjected to scientific scrutilization? And besides this study, as in ALL animal studies DO NOT factor in the most important parameters of human evolution which is the psyche or spiritual essence in addition that NONE of these studies factor in the “Placebo” effect, because simply speaking animals DO NOT posses these traits so how can you reference this article to human interaction which in this case refers to HUMAN Homosexuality?<br />
Neckel, you are just letting your emotions get the better of your logic and Billy already covers the negative consequences of homosexual “confusion” that will affect the next incarnation of that particular spirit in question, seems like you never viewed the video and would rather shoot you mouth off anyway.<br />
I don’t need to answer your immature question on whether I’ve interacted with homosexual individuals which I do. Their confusion is not my problem so long as they don’t try to push their agendas on others like gay rights or marriage benefits. Just look at the following studies to indicate the magnitude of gay men and health issues that are already taxing the medical condition on a worldwide basis not to mention other exotic diseases being formulated by “un-natural” sex acts utilizing the human waste tract to derive sexual gratification because of what Billy mention as “sick in the mind”?<br />
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf<br />
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Now to another posting implying just because the Plejarens are more spiritually evolved and have homosexuality in their mists DOES NOT validate that premises just because of the former. They are still a long way to being purely spiritual and are still learning as we speak. As a matter of fact, they could also learn a few pointers from us Earthly degenerates, because they lack the necessary EXPERIENCE we have and continue to go through.<br />
Lastly, one human female made some comments about her negative encounters of men in her life as the reason why she prefers women. That’s her prerogative, I would agree that some guys are real pricks and have met my share of these egoistic amatons bent on stupidity one-track minded idiocracity that no drug rehabitational method will ever produce any satisfactory results!<br />
However not all fall into this category and I apologize for my fellow jerk offs for your current mindset encounters. My former girl friend had similar experiences like yourself, ended up in the hospital for 6 months with a nervous breakdown by a her male boyfriend who dumped her after 3 years on the same night he got married to his S.O. She too became a lesbian and wanted to continue our relationship which I found out later but wanted to keep a threesome with her lesbian psychiatrist which I could not handle because of my studies at the university. We parted ways and still are friends. <br />
Actually come to think about it, it may be advanteous because then I won’t be burdened with feminine emotional issues, she could get that release from her female partner. Females don’t know how difficult it is for guys to respond in ways they seem so natural to express and the primary reason why we need them.<br />
The following citation has some reference to problematic adolescent male elephants and human males that also need to have some hammer hung over their heads to keep them in line and out of trouble. It is relevant to Earthly human males especially the one responsible for much evil and destruction.<br />
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http://miltonconservative.blogspot.com/2011/01/tale-of-adolescent-elephant-rampage.html<br />
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Enough said and probably people will continue to argue on this subject which I will no longer invest any more energy and got better things to endeavor in because frankly speaking Homosexuality in not my problem so why should it be yours? There are more than enough information given on this website to make a logical decision and hopefully one will not negatively affect their next incarnation with confusion.<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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What was not mentioned and is one of the most important thing here is that homosexuality may be a choice (already made in Consciousness) to experience that aspect of life.<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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1. <i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
2. <i>2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :) <br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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<i> 1. The Plejarens have genetically eradicated such “benign and natural genetic disorder” through genetic manipulation. They know Creational laws and directives much more than Earth humans who are still struggling with the issues of homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors.</i> <br />
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Hawaiian, my suggestion is to not believe and accept everything you’re told, mostly because it’s coming from a source who appears to be more knowledgeable than you are. Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder. Creation works in perfect order, in perfect balance and harmony – and this is even when we’re not seeing that balance, that order and harmony.<br />
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<i> 2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony) </i><br />
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But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that i know not about? :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 17:39, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Don’t take my comments out of context to “suit” your agenda assuming I have some “belief” in this subject of homosexuality or other matters as well. Belief is a term I try in earnest to avoid and replace it either with “assume” or aware. As a matter of fact, I did post recently my views on the subject of belief or believing which is a stagnation of creational endeavor. For your as well as other’s reference, I’ll post it again at the end of this post.<br />
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Now, regarding your comments, which is posted here; “Besides, the information could be just a distortion from Billy Meier himself. By the way, homosexuality is not some kind of disorder.” YOUR QUOTE<br />
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One has to logically analyze why there are differences between a male XY and female XX genetic attributes along with its prospective psyche that generates a difference of electrical charge, since humans are electrical/magnetic in nature. Males having a slightly more positive characteristic, while females more robust negative charge. It is NOT to suggest females are negative in any sense, but as in electronics the flow of electrons goes from the negative to positive, BUT the flow of current goes from positive to negative.<br />
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Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments.<br />
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However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well.<br />
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Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing.<br />
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Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution. <br />
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Now, lets look at the # 2, MINE “2. Ask this question, if homosexual or bi-sexual was Creational valid, then why do they not pro-create? (Except in rare cases of women giving birth asexually, even though possible, it will never have succeeding offspring after 3 generations due to genetic disharmony)<br />
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YOURS: “But who says that this or that has to be Creational valid? Well, and who decides what’s Creational valid? The Plejarens? Billy Meir? Something out there that is not already within me that I know not about? :) <br />
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Why are you looking for something "out there" when the answers are all within ourselves? Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously.<br />
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BELIEF or BELIEVING<br />
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Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. History has proven time again how the insanity of beliefs has brought utter destruction for those believing in spite of the contrary proving otherwise.<br />
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Take for instance the madness of the Giza Intelligences, believing they could still conquer the Earth in spite of many being aged nearing their end of life, but continue down the path of self-destruction and insanity, just like their counterparts in another part of the DERN universe who constructed that doomsday device which was disarmed by the Plejarens. They too believed in their insane madness of the belief they would prevail over benevolent measures and if not, then do as much destruction as possible.<br />
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Then take the military samurai leadership of Japan during the last days of WWII, who still harbored beliefs they could prevail in spite of the two atomic blasts and being surrounded by overwhelming military forces, some committed suicide instead of accepting defeat and learning there are better ways of evolution than war. The same goes to religious beliefs and we can only reference the crazy Islamic extremists who claim suicide bombing is right as well as other religions promoting such ideas.<br />
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Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, one still has the option(s) of finding new ways to evolve and keeping the original concept as reference to build upon rather than being “stuck” on some type of belief system which often “forces” the environment to conform to its “reality” which often leads to insanity and destruction.<br />
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If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:45, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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<i>Thus in the material being as well as in the spiritual Being up to the Petale level where the male and female are merged as one, this flow of energy is maintained in order to ensure both sexes are in harmony and continue to evolve as well as process the energy in its respective environments. <br />
However, if a male becomes a homosexual, “his” thinking or psyche becomes female oriented, it causes confusion for the spirit because the energy interchange is reversed. The same goes for lesbian activity; you are either a male or female and not both and are bad for the psyche, which will cause more confusion in the incarnation process as well. </i><br />
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Hawaiin, do you understand that all of creation is choice, and that there is no wrong and right choices? Do you also understand that whenever you start dictating what is and what is not, you are already creating your own limitations and thus limit yourself in your very expression and experiences, and to some point make your experience more difficult for you (which on the same note, is still your choice to make it difficult for you)? <br />
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<i>Billy has explained this homosexuality in detail which I posted somewhere on this site, he also mentioned the negative effects of human male dancing. </i><br />
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And because he said those things, does it mean you (and others) have to believe him? I read what he said about male dancing, and i must say, that made me laugh.....cause it was just non sense. You know, a man can have great powers and abilities and yet be full of it, or just plainly ignorant when it comes to other matters. <br />
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<i>Now to the other quote you have made about creation being PERFECT, which is FALSE, </i> <br />
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So, are you saying that there is something wrong with the way creation, or consciousness is?<br />
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<i>another ABSOLUTE terminology you use because it appears you are stuck on your EGO to realize that creation is RELATIVELY perfect, a huge difference because it allows creation to continue to evolve without any limitations. </i><br />
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Ok, i’m a bit puzzled here cause i personally believe that creation is continually evolving and without limitations. Is this what you are also saying here?<br />
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<i>To “believe” that creation is “perfect” is to stagnate its evolution.</i><br />
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Why would it stagnate its evolution? A thing can be perfect and yet continue to expand (or evolve) beyond what it already is. Yet because it continues to expand does not mean it is imperfect, or not perfect.<br />
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<i>Again, you are not utilizing common sense, I did not state any directive, but only ask one to think logically on the reasons why homosexuality will NEVER by itself pro-create or more accurately perpetuate the human species. </i><br />
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Well, and would it matter if it does not perpetuate the human species? There are those who are no homosexuals who can help perpetuate the human species, if that’s an issue, no?<br />
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<i>It is NOT being directed at Billy, the Plejarens or Creation itself which you imply, it is just a biological fact that a material human being need to accept their genetic makeup and live accordingly to their respective attributes being either a male or female and not something in between, in order to evolve further in accordance to the energy exchange factors listed previously. </i><br />
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And, of course, that is your belief and perception of ‘what needs be’ in order for one to evolve. Others might have different views and opinion on the subject. :)<br />
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<i>Belief or the act of believing is a stagnation of evolutionary Awareness; it is an ABSOLUTE frame of thought and/or mind that prevents further growth of one’s Consciousness. </i><br />
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Yet we’ve all chosen to experience with our beliefs for the very purpose of expanding. Needless to say, we all hold some kind of belief. Even the Pledians hold their own beliefs, as i can tell.<br />
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<i>Belief or believing is dangerous and should be replaced with a more harmonic method of Awareness, at least in being aware, </i><br />
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I agree that it can be replaced with a more harmonic method, however not all beliefs are bad, dangerous or limiting.<br />
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<i>If one still “believes” in their own agenda of this or other topics, then it is no point in myself wasting my time and energy for those “stuck on stupid” with their belief EGO. I won’t even bother to respond any further because more than enough have been stated for logical consumption. </i><br />
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It’s a choice. :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 23:59, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Another thing you may want to think about is how overpopulation is making spirit forms come back too early. So they may not have gone through the process of changing from female to male or male to female, so in these cases, choice may not have anything to do with it?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Carsch,<br />
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Your biggest problem is YOURSELF, yet you won't admit it...blinded by you EGO, just like many before you and many more after you, all stuck on stupid.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, once you understand that you are your own creator, that you are ONE with god (or Creation), that you create every single aspect of your reality, you will then understand that nothing, and absolutely nothing, is left to circumstances. Overpopulation has nothing to do with anything. In fact, overpopulation is nothing but a myth and is becoming a belief among many.<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:10, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian, everyone’s biggest problem, if any, is but themselves. :)<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:12, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Sheila, in truth our planet can accommodate more people than we already have. But because we do not manage our resources efficiently, we generate the mass belief that we have overpopulated our planet. It is not necessarily a question of over population. It is more a question of resource management.<br />
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--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 07:26, 10 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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No Carsch, it does have to do with overpopulation, over 8 billion now, where will it end? After we are done killing all the animals to make room for more humans (I already see this happening now, so it can only get worse)? Overpopulation is a fact and not a myth like you claim, must be the leftover catholic way of thinking you have. We need to stop multiplying, it really is that simple. Proper management of resources, lol. Who the heck are you trying to fool. They have all been exploited and you have no say what these corporations do with the resources. Are you planning on buying out haliburton, just so you can have a say on how they are used?<br />
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--[[User:Sheila|Sheila]] 04:56, 11 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Education is important and with our overpopulation schools are losing quality teachers and not enough room for all students. That is but one simple way to gauge intelligence of leadership and that is not very well defined right now. :)<br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Overpopulation is a fact only because we are being taught to believe it as a fact. But then you’re probably thinking of the cities, cause that is what’s overpopulated. Hey, but you believe in what you want, right? :) <br />
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== Carsch said ... ==<br />
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Mark, our leaders aren't efficient people, and when they screw up, they'll only tell you what they see from their limited perspectives. And if we all believe them, we'll continue to be as screwed as they make things and want you to believe them. Hey, life goes on. ;)<br />
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== Sheila said ... ==<br />
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Hi Carsch, they are currently not teaching about overpopulation in schools (just this fact alone speaks volumes). So where am I getting this information? Like I said from the huge culling of animals when they encroach on civilization. Just recently in BC a woman died because of a suspected bear attack. They killed four black bears before testing which one could be the culprit. Cities of millions of people are a factor when you consider where that city is located (on a fault line, by a volcano). Dams and the displacement of those huge volumes of water is also major.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Just two questions,<br />
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1. Are you Carsch a homosexual? If yes, than your "answers" explain themselves without addressing any issues brought forth.<br />
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2. Why has that excellent report on Homosexuality done by Marianne Uehlinger been removed from this website so all can reference it for their own consumption? She of all persons is called by the Plejarens as the "Conscientious One" because of her ancient ties to this mission and her contributions are still very important, yet this report is missing?<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hawaiian which report, please?<br />
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--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] 21:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Jamesum,<br />
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Sorry, I made couple hardcopies of Marianne Uehlinger Mondria’s article on Homosexuality which was downloaded either from this website or another, I don’t recall off hand. But I definitely know I have more than one hardcopy, which unfortunately is stored in some boxes anticipating my move to another location.<br />
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If you can’t get it from her directly, then I’ll converted it in Pdf format and send it to you. It’s unfortunate not being able to quote some of her notes since even the Plejarens speak highly of her and I agree on her opinion about homosexuality, but cannot at the moment quote her words on some points that I have posted.<br />
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Billy,<br />
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Who was Marianne Uehlinger at the time of the great oaths and determinations 13,500 years ago, and what task or function does she have today?<br />
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Ptaah<br />
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114. Her name at that time was XANDAALA, which means “The Conscientious One.<br />
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115. At that time, as a former personality, she wasn’t, and also isn’t today, integrated into the group of the fallible ones and, thus, also isn’t a part of the Codex.<br />
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121. Her worth of collection and recognition is higher than what is often the case with the group members, which is why the necessary evolution for Marianne cannot be furnished on the group’s side<br />
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_235<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 00:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sarah said ... ==<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
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And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
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Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly.<br />
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--[[User:Sarah|Sarah]] 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ilearn76 said ... ==<br />
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if a man beds down with another man or beast, then later begains to learn and to understand the laws of nature and creation. shall he still be punshied and cast out for the remainder of his life. is their such ways to repent or fix his broken self <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Sara,<br />
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Unfortunatly,...for short time? First of all how I choose to live and do stuff with its totally a private matter. <br />
PRIVATE MATTER OR MORE SO SELFISH ATTITUTE OF ONE’S OWN MATERIAL WANTS TOTALLY DISREGARDING THE CONFUSION HOMOSEXUALITY CAUSES TO THE SPIRIT WHICH WILL MORE THAN LIKELY RE-INCARNATE AS ANOTHER HOMOSEXUAL.<br />
And just because genetic alteration of humans to get rid of homosexuality has been done, doesn't necessarily make the action to do so ethical or natural. <br />
Have you totally missed the whole "Live, and let live" part Hawaiian? <br />
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AGAIN, MORE SELFISHNESS TO LIVE FOR TODAY AND NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SPIRIT WILL INCARNATE IN ANOTHER CONFUSED PERSONALITY.<br />
Besides, actually having people like us may actually help reduce the rising population number. <br />
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MAYBE YOU HAVE A POINT IN REGARDS TO OVERPOPULATION, BUT THEN AGAIN WOULD NOT YOUR INFLUENCES TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION ALSO PRODUCE MORE HOMOSEXUAL CONFUSION AS TO PERPETUATE THIS UNCREATIONAL BEHAVIOUR?<br />
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More "sex acts" between people that can't reproduce could actually lower it pretty quickly. <br />
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TRUE TO A LIMITED EXTENT, BUT SEX ACTS AMONGST HOMOSEXUALS IS AGAIN ONLY SELFISH SATISFACTION THAT DOES NOT PROCREATE THE NEXT GENERATION. ALL THE PREVIOUS PERSONALITIES THAT WAS IN A “NORMAL” STATE GEARED TOWARD THIS CREATIONAL PROCESS ARE NOW IN LIMBO BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT SELFISH ACTS OF THE CURRENT PERSONALITY WHO ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIM/HERSELF.<br />
--Sarah 06:34, 25 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 01:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Eduard...I discovered that this reasoning actually does work very effectively.I read the first few chapters of THE GOBLET OF TRUTH and used this knowledge at my workplace.A certain co-worker tried his best to erupt my degenerate feelings to backfiring into a rage,but I triumphed and he cooled down back to being reasonable.It appears that the conscience can catch on fire and the fire does burn up all reasoning.This knowledge brings tremendous joy to me.<br />
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Same here Bigfoot, people at my workplace tend to find joy in bringing heartache to others in order to feel better about themselves especially those in higher positions,deja vu. :) I remember when I use to feel a fury in my belly every time but I know that won't solve any problems. <br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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The workplace is a prime example of what overpopulation of the genetic manipulated people degenerate at an ever more vicious rate that dooms us to what the creator/manipulators hope to be our mass extinction.I sometimes feel why not get it over with(World War 3) but reason prevails and the creational laws of fight back are stronger.Why not show those other visitor Et's Who's Who and not stoop to our lowest form.Show them that we too are part of Creation and welcome any help that they may offer us.<br />
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Very good!!!<br />
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"Generally, attacks and problems of others must be ignored and warded off in a manner that they are the concern, the aggression and problems of antagonists and not of one's own person."<br />
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So why are you whining about "overpopulation" and various other issues, if it is only the concern of the overpopulating antagonists?<br />
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Why are you whining about "humans exhausting the Earth's resorces down to the last bushel" if you can make it not your concern?<br />
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Why are you whining about anything at all on this site if it isn't your concern?<br />
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Why are you whining about a "lack of wisdom" in humans, if it's only their concern?<br />
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Newb slayer,<br />
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Why whine? It's because of selfish idiots like yourself who only thing about themselves and not about the environment of both internal and external which will be destroyed by the items you mention.<br />
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Your attitude is the same as those destructive jews of hyperboleans who conspired, spread lies and deceit amongs the Atlantians and Mu so that they ended up destroying their cities on Earth and almost destroyed the planet as well, not to mention a good majority of life both human and other spiecies died because of such insane madness of selfishness, greed, lust of power and plain stupidity.<br />
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People here (not counting you) are concerned about what those other 90 percent of humanity who are stuck on stupid engaging in self-destructive activites that not only threaten themselves, but also those who care...<br />
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So in cases like these, maybe it's best to ship off these degenerates to another desolute planet so they can destroy themselves and let Earth recover itself from this insane madness.<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:31, 4 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Alive said ... ==<br />
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Duplicating something does not make the genuine thing loses its charm. Duplication is a flattery.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Silly people trying to duplicate the sounds of a beamship which is very complex, yet distinctly unique that "rotates" with other equally unique frequencies, besides Billy recorded it MORE than 35 years ago!<br />
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Such electronic equipment did not exist and still cannot produce the exact sound frequencies. Phil Langdon should be commended in his vain attempt; however the resonant frequency of a nylon fishing line is not compatible to a metal beamship model. Just the sheer length of the line will not produce the high frequencies of a guitar string, which is under severe tension, if applied to his long fishing line will certainly snap it off! He also FAILS to mention that the reason why a guitar string resonates is because the nylon string is SURROUNDED by brass wound wire!<br />
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Maybe he should put better use of that fishing line and floss his teeth more often!<br />
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Thanks for doing this, James. I have recently been exchanging messages with Phil pointing out his flaws with his supposed debunking, which never acknowledges with both his photos and sounds. <br />
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Salome <br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Agreed on all points<br />
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== Jamesm said ... ==<br />
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Kyle, you're welcome. Feel free to blog it or post an article here and link it from the [[Articles by others]] page.<br />
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== Kyle1212 said ... ==<br />
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I will be doing both, James. I just realized an error in my previous posting. I meant to say "which he never acknowledges. :) <br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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By trade I am a sound engineer. And I have to measure frequencies through sound system's as a general daily practice. Many of us have looked at a stereo system with an equalizer. equalizers show up on different system models with 3 eq's, some come with 5eq's and even 7. they represent frequency ranges. in the sound world its expanded a bit to 31 discreet separate frequencies. which I am willing to bet that this is what the original sound engineer were also analyzing. in the original beamship recording, you can clearly here all of the outside ambient environmental noise. this in it's self represents a credible foundation for calculating a decibel range of over 110db or more. I have looked at both of these videos in the past and came to similar conclusions. In a way it could be looked at like the crepuscular rays of semjase's ship that can only be viewed from a specific distance.<br />
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If we could download the entire 48 min original recorded tapes of the sound and then digitize them directly into this or any other computer and then subject it to analysis with a program like Oscillometer (from Russia), or Spectrumview (written by a U.S. ham), we might be able to learn quite a bit. I believe that an excellent program to use would be Oscillometer but it runs $500. Out of reach for us here at Spectronix right now but it is being worked on.<br />
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Contrary to what Hawaiian said, a long line under tension can in fact resonate at a large number of frequencies ....the longer the line, the larger the number of audible harmonics and it does not have to be sheathed in coiled wire to do it although that does help.<br />
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And by sliding a weight up and down this line near one end of it, you can produce the pulsating frequency modulation so prominent in this sound. <br />
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However, to create a complex tone such as that in the Meier tapes by using long, tight fishing line or whatever and rapidly sliding weights and produce a spectrum such as the ones we have created here in this lab would be quite a feat. Besides, by sliding a weight back and forth as described above, near one end of the taut line, each harmonic frequency produced would have to change by the same percentage and this would show up on the spectrogram...it would be unmistakable. The spectral tracks on the Meier tape, that much of it that we had to work with, clearly show INDEPENDENTLY varying frequency shifts. I don't believe that kind of synthesizer technology existed 35 years ago. Do you? <br />
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I wonder why Earth human life forms keep scrutinizing beamship photos, audios, and movies, while Contact Reports are the most challenging objects to be probed and imitated. The duplication of Contact Reports will dwarf all controversies on the duplication of photos, audios, and movies. <br />
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It is for the same reason that people will burn rubber all over the streets getting to a reported crop formation but would not even walk across the street to investigate an hour-old report of a small white light moving erratically in the night sky. It is because a crop formation furnishes raw material that one can roll their sleeves up and get their hands dirty with. A contactee report is almost invariably anecdotal and all too oft times bankrupt of any hard evidence whatsoever; the literature became so obscenely glutted and saturated with such as far back as the 1950s courtesy of royalty-freakers that it almost killed in the cradle the public interest in the entire subject of ET life. Those versed in or addicted to psychology or other behavioral "sciences" would be the first to gravitate toward reports of contacts. The remainder of us would have nothing to work with and where would be the motivation to replicate?<br />
Of recent, there have been far too many accounts of contacts in the form of abductions that were anything but pleasant for the earthbound contactee and so not likely to be revisited with any zest.<br />
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That is an interesting opinion. It makes me think that Contact Reports are not intended to be read by every Earth human life forms, although no one is forbidden to read them, and that some informations I found on Contact Reports are somekind of baits. Mister Billy and the Pleiarens wanted to know Earth human life forms who would react to the things they were talking about, and what exactly their opinions would be. In that case, it is understandable that for most Earth human life forms Contact Reports will always be unimportant and boring.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Hi Zameen,<br />
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While in college, I went to a presentation on the sound frequency spectrum analysis of UFO's and it showed how wide range of individual frequencies separating into their distinct peak values and later merging into one and repeating this process.<br />
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What was unusual was that it did not produce harmonics or cancelation of adjacent frequencies which will normally occur if these frequencies were being produced by some synthezier. Wasn't sure if this presentation was of Plejaren origin or some other UFO craft because at that time I had no idea about Billy?<br />
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It would have been interesting if they did a 3-dimensional representation to see if these sounds also expands beyond the X or Y axis? It was much more descriptive than the Vogel's o-scope video tape, unfortunately I forgot who made this presentation.<br />
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== Wizard said ... ==<br />
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What will happen with this Gulf Coast oil disaster? Will it distroy Florida in time?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Often I find some discussions as boring and rather a nuisance when there are others not at the same level requiring excessive time before moving on. True, those who are advanced should assist those that are still in the learning stages, but it often hinders our growth as well.<br />
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Maybe if these more advanced ones could open some private chat as in the IRC method, then make it available to others would suffice? However, unless one has administrator rights to save the whole communication without the labor intensive "cut/paste" line item method, this method will not work.<br />
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Finally, would be interesting if topics were selected prior to these meetings and posted (for those with similar interests). Those presenting these topics should prepare materials at hand and not just "troll" some topic just to see how the discussion develops.<br />
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However a word of caution, please keep information that can be abused by the degenerative ones secured for safe keeping. Maybe the Plejaren can assist in this matter, to provide a secure means in order for those advanced enough to ensure they evolve without abuse from other obsessed with power lust and greed?<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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Say Hawaiian,can you build a working free energy generator?I am looking for any input that is useful for conducting high frequency/voltage.<br />
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== Bigfoot said ... ==<br />
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No reply?<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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Hawaiian: sorry to hinder your growth.<br />
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nice job monkey:)<br />
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== Daniel said ... ==<br />
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Zameen, I wasnt going to write anything, but ive gone away and thought about what youve written here: "Hawaiian: sorry to hinder your growth." - I resent this kind of language Zameen, because there is no need for it. Please try and reserve these kinds of sentiments in the future. I didnt read what Hawaiian said in this way. Thanks<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Monkey, no such generator have been built so far....the parts are all in Cup's back yard! No harm done on this end..:-)as a matter of fact, I will forward some very interesting topics to BEAM for him or the inner core responses, that will be later posted on this site in the very near future.<br />
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No pun intended to others, but I diffinately need the challenge to further evolve these concepts within the advancements found amongst the inner group. That way these interpertation connections or linkages are set on the right track before being explored for further analysis, which will be imparted in layperson's language to assist others in their quest for knowledge in regards to each particular level of evolution in the hopes one day soon, we'll be in the same realm of awareness.<br />
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== Zameen said ... ==<br />
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my apologies to Hawaiian for the unfortunate remark.At the time it seemed to be a condescending remark aimed at those not entirely up to the complete understanding as others here. Again my apologies to Hawaiian and i shall refrain from any other remarks like the one in question here.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Zameen...apologies compassively accepted, we all learn from bumps and bruises some times. Often when one shares the pain, they become quite loyal friends, one of my best friends was made after a physical fight...although Queztal may say it is "barbaric", Billy would probably approve, the end result is what really matters...Saalome<br />
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I would like to participate in "Plejaren Federation" topic scheduled for Aug 14-15 2010 and have some very interesting materials that will not only stimulate the minds of Earthly humans, but also the Plejaren themselves including some members of the Federation that have connections here via their spirits.<br />
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I wanted to pose a summary analysis directly to BEAM or the inner circle, which is a prelude to other avenues of further discussions depending on the responses enacted by them.<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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I sent some discussion notes to Christian Frehner, but he does not reply any more? A formulated suggestion has been presented to our so-called "advanced" partners in the Spiritual Teaching chat section.<br />
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So far, no responses either of Earthly or otherwise...it is so logical and easy to implement..should an Earth human lay out the ground work again?<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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It the time indicated, local or Universal Time Coordinate (Greewhich-England time)?<br />
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I think that is why there are many holes in logic. If there are 7 levels or stages of development then there is an unimaginable amount of wonderful things to learn in future lifetimes. I am trying to dissect the spirit teachings at this current time so I get a good grasp of the knowledge and how to implement it as well. I hope everyone can find themselves eventually.....................peacefully.:)<br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Some very interesting topics were discussed on Saturday to include:<br />
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1. Plejarens on Erra have genetically altered plants to bear fruit that have similar properties of meat, so therefore animals are not required to be killed and consumed.<br />
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2. Dreams can be controlled to prevent nightmares and other chaotic episodes if one's psyche is kept properly balanced and is another benefit of maintaining proper creational discipline.<br />
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3. The possibility that emotions may trigger Fluidual energy release for levitation and moving objects.<br />
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4. Dreams are symbolic representations and can also be interactive.<br />
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5. The possibility of even meditating in dreams. <br />
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== Benhilo said ... ==<br />
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Just tried to login to http://express.paltalk.com/index.html?gid=1440459225 but ran into problems. Can't figure out this site at all - really would like to communicate with a live body somewhere, somehow. <br />
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== Hawaiian said ... ==<br />
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Just click on the Main Page Billy Meier tab on the left of this website, then click Chat/Talk tab on the right. Usually there are a few exchanging ideas on Saturdays around 10:00-12:00 GMT (Greenwhich-England time)<br />
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--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 21:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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